Does The State Have Any Moral Obligations?

[henry quirk]

If you wanna worry (for me): have at it.

I got better things to do...*shrug*

[SpheresOfBalance]

If you wanna worry (for me): have at it.

I got better things to do...*shrug*

I'm not worrying for you, if you're guilty of killing people I want you put into a cage where all human animals belong that does such things, as they are surely unenlightened, ignorant of the truths of humanity. Maybe that shall teach them a thing or two, as they ask for a book on philosophy and psychology from the prison library, to read with all that time they have to just sit there in a cage they obviously belong in.

This is a potential flag!

[bobevenson]

If you're guilty of killing people I want you put into a cage where all human animals belong that does such things.

Are you suggesting all living U.S. presidents be put in a cage?

[henry quirk]

"This is a potential flag!"

Nope...just another (boring) little diatribe.

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Bob,

HA! Good one!

[SpheresOfBalance]

If you're guilty of killing people I want you put into a cage where all human animals belong that does such things.

Are you suggesting all living U.S. presidents be put in a cage?

I do in fact sympathize with your point, Bob! And all for resources, some of our poorer kids are led to death, believing themselves true patriots, not to mention the children of, so called, "necessary collateral damage," easy to say, when one knows the bravery of being out of range!

[bobevenson]

If you're guilty of killing people I want you put into a cage where all human animals belong that does such things.

Are you suggesting all living U.S. presidents be put in a cage?

I do in fact sympathize with your point, Bob! And all for resources, some of our poorer kids are led to death, believing themselves true patriots, not to mention the children of, so called, "necessary collateral damage," easy to say, when one knows the bravery of being out of range!

Like I always say, the three biggest scams on Earth are education, religion and patriotism, not necessarily in that order.

[SpheresOfBalance]

If you're guilty of killing people I want you put into a cage where all human animals belong that does such things.

Are you suggesting all living U.S. presidents be put in a cage?

I do in fact sympathize with your point, Bob! And all for resources, some of our poorer kids are led to death, believing themselves true patriots, not to mention the children of, so called, "necessary collateral damage," easy to say, when one knows the bravery of being out of range!

Like I always say, the three biggest scams on Earth are education, religion and patriotism, not necessarily in that order.

Well I surely understand the why of someone thinking such things, generally speaking. Though when examined case by case, specifically, there are probably a lot of grey areas.

It's easy to throw a single blanket over an all encompassing fire, though it doesn't stop one from smothering a smaller one, that was set deliberately in order to keep one warm.

[bobevenson]

Like I always say, the three biggest scams on Earth are education, religion and patriotism, not necessarily in that order.

Well I surely understand the why of someone thinking such things, generally speaking. Though when examined case by case, specifically, there are probably a lot of grey areas.

There are no grey areas, they are all 100% scams.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Like I always say, the three biggest scams on Earth are education, religion and patriotism, not necessarily in that order.

Well I surely understand the why of someone thinking such things, generally speaking. Though when examined case by case, specifically, there are probably a lot of grey areas.

There are no grey areas, they are all 100% scams.

Sorry Bob, but this says more about your abilities than it has any reflection on truth, as neither you nor anyone else are omnipotent, i.e., having the ability of knowing and studying all the endeavors of those categories of education, religion and patriotism, that are being started, ended, and in progress, across our entire globe, as I assume you meant all leaders of all countries, as it's probably impossible to find one country that hasn't been guilty of what you've claimed earlier, at one time or another, kings, queens and emperors, being synonymous in this case.

I'll bet you've not studied all educational systems, religions or examples in patriotism, have you? If you say yes this conversation is over, because while it's not impossible to do, it's highly unlikely it's been done, for any type study that might have a need for that particular data. Do you know of one? Where did you get your data?

[bobevenson]

I guess the next thing you're going to say is that I'm not a divinely-inspired prophet, huh?

[SpheresOfBalance]

I guess the next thing you're going to say is that I'm not a divinely-inspired prophet, huh?

Later Bob, at this point I can only fight for your right to believe and speak as you want to.

[Hjarloprillar]

I disagree. Only human beings have moral obligations. Governments have only those obligations that are defined by law, only legal obligations.

What do you think?

My view of positive law is that it is often if not always an attempt to codify those things that we perceive to be the elements of natural law.

i_another

yah
The state is a conceptual construct.
An organisation. [of so many things. education/resources/law/SYSTEM.]

Not good atm. but. a lesser of evils.

[bobevenson]

I guess the next thing you're going to say is that I'm not a divinely-inspired prophet, huh?

Later Bob, at this point I can only fight for your right to believe and speak as you want to.

Later for what? Everybody can believe and speak as he wants, but not everybody is divinely-inspired.

[Hjarloprillar]

I guess the next thing you're going to say is that I'm not a divinely-inspired prophet, huh?

Later Bob, at this point I can only fight for your right to believe and speak as you want to.

Later for what? Everybody can believe and speak as he wants, but not everybody is divinely-inspired.

"Later Bob, at this point I can only fight for your right to believe and speak as you want to."

a brave man.who fights for an ideal.
Considering the asshole comments i got when a teen.
"If you have no ideals at 20 you have no heart. if you still have them at 40 you have no brain."

spoken like a true mentor of stupidity.The masons. My Da was a grand poobah.. what fool he was.

[Blaggard]

I guess the next thing you're going to say is that I'm not a divinely-inspired prophet, huh?

Later Bob, at this point I can only fight for your right to believe and speak as you want to.

Later for what? Everybody can believe and speak as he wants, but not everybody is divinely-inspired.

No one is divinely inspired Bob, God is just a figment of your imagination. Some think that they hear the words of a creator some don't, but they are all the same, the universe just is. There's no magic man in the sky and the quicker I think people get used to that the better off they will be in the long run. Not that I begrudge anyone faith, I believe in letting people believe what they want, if it helps salve their fears of being alone in a massive universe where you will die and rot, and your only contribution will be what you did and said to others to make them better people.

I am sure Bob that you think you have heard the words of your soul from a divine being, I am also sure Joan of Arc heard the same, and all the other other so called prophets heard voices telling them things. But at the end of the day they were just suffering from a mental illness that made them hear voices or see spiritual visions I posted a link about a documentary called God on the Brain, on one thread, of course no one read it, but even ardent atheists can have religious visions, if they suffer from temporal lobe epilepsy, God is encoded in our DNA, we have had spiritual beliefs since our ancestors walked the Earth, and now we have those as functions of how we think. Some people are more prone to spiritual feelings, and just are religious. Some need to have electrical stimulus applied to certain areas of the brain to experience spiritual feelings, and others don't ever have the feeling. All that says to me is like everything else there is a spectrum in genetics. You are no more religiously likely than any other person, but if you have a propensity to feel certain things dictated by your genetics, you will much more likely become religious, particularly when brought up and programmed by other religious people.

Anyway the world is more sophisticated now, if someone hears voices telling them of the revealed path of enlightenment, it usually just means they have some form of dysfunction. In the past people did not know about schizophrenia how it can cause you to hear voices that tell you things. So they believed these people. It's no doubt the reason why in The Bible it says both the old and the mad are closer to God. They're not closer to anything but their own pathological delusions or as in the old they are closer to death and more likely fearing it will have a greater likelihood to become religious.

Religion is an imaginative fiction, the same sort of fiction that made people explain mysteries in a way that was consistent with their lack of understanding, are the same sort of things mad people indulge in because they can't divorce themselves from the voices that are telling them things about reality. I'm not saying religious people are mad, just that it is a spectrum, religious fantasy starts at sane after all most people who are religious were brain washed by the environment they grew up in and that isn't mad it's just naive. But it does proceed to madness the more you believe in nothing more than imagination and the less you believe in what you can know.