The Limits of Science

How does science work? And what's all this about quantum mechanics?

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Arising_uk wrote:
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skakos wrote: You take for granted the opinion of someone else that I am a troll?
Based on what?
Based on this 24-page pointless, directionless thread?
Which you are adding to?
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skakos wrote: Not with personal attacks.
Using personal attacks and characterizations just shows the emptyness of your thought. [general]
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henry quirk wrote:"bags of meat and blood"

As distasteful as that seems to you: that's exactly what each of us are.
Is that an opinion or do you believe it is a... "fact" ?
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I believe it to be 'fact' (in the absence of any conflicting or contradictory *evidence).









*again: anecdotes, impressions, beliefs, passions are not evidence
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henry quirk wrote:I believe it to be 'fact' (in the absence of any conflicting or contradictory *evidence).

*again: anecdotes, impressions, beliefs, passions are not evidence
I am.
I think.
Do you see a thought?
Do you see NDEs?
What is the evidence you look at?

PS. Think of the TV analogy. Does the TV produce the image?
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You don't have thoughts: you think.

That is: you have no items in your head...you, instead, (as an on-going, organic/electrical process) 'do' thinking (thinking is a process).

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The evidence I want is verification of 'soul'.

Provide some, please.
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henry quirk wrote:You don't have thoughts: you think.

That is: you have no items in your head...you, instead, (as an on-going, organic/electrical process) 'do' thinking (thinking is a process).

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The evidence I want is verification of 'soul'.
Provide some, please.
"I believe it to be 'fact' (in the absence of any conflicting or contradictory *evidence)."

there is no evidence that a designer of the laws of reality is not made of cheese.
________tho cannot prove a negative____________or nde's
belief is " i want to believe it.
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Hjarloprillar wrote: Customer: Most certainly! Now then, some cheese please, my good man.
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Immaterial consciousness

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henry quirk wrote:You don't have thoughts: you think.

That is: you have no items in your head...you, instead, (as an on-going, organic/electrical process) 'do' thinking (thinking is a process).

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The evidence I want is verification of 'soul'.

Provide some, please.
What do you define as "soul"?
Is it something different than "spirit"?
Or "mind"?

Too many words telling the same thing...

Any belief must be supported by evidence.
NOT ONLY MINE, BUT YOURS AS WELL!

I believe that we are more than matter. And I have all the studies made concerning brain and the mind.
All the studies concerning NDEs (= consciousness without working brain), non-local consciousness etc.

See http://harmoniaphilosophica.wordpress.c ... being-god/ about a list of related souces concerning consciousness, the human mind and the immateriality of what makes us "us".

What is YOUR evidence?
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Oh 'we' are definitely more than mater.

Though mater is a base. without mater no mind can be.

The human mind is massive complexity of neural phenomena, billions of neurons . trillions of cross connections.
This 'wave of thought and connection' regulated by some law we know not what, is a standing wave. a moving medium wave where what is moving is time.
This wave of consciousnesses or how we think and human ongoing identity. is a neuroelectric supported event of mind.

To say that event can exist without material support is to say it has crossed some horizon on understanding we know little or nothing of.
That we know little or nothing of how reality really works says we must take a fair objective view on

the soul
My 'system' is powerfull objective and subjective. I speak with confidence of system that has .02 % failure rate
Easy..just wait and see.. no need to but heads with 2% knowledge. In this area patience is indeed a virtue.

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"What do you define as "soul"?"

In-dwelling sprit...pre-ghost...floaty ether-spook...fiction.

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"Is it something different than "spirit"?"

Spirit: see above.

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"Or "mind"?"

Mind is this: mind is an on-going, organic/electrical process...you 'do' mind...mind is the result of the particular and peculiar complexity of the human animal.

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"Any belief must be supported by evidence."

Yours: anecdotes and passion.

Mine: based on available *information (and the lack of any evidence for in-dwelling spirits) coupled with the apparent way Reality works.

I'm open to having my mind changed...just need sumthin' other than impassioned anecdotes to move me.

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"I believe that we are more than matter."

Believe as you like...I need sumthin' more than pseudo-science to move me in your direction.









*that which is verifiable...again: anecdotes and passion are not acceptable
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henry quirk wrote:
If this is aimed at me.

I'm open to having my mind changed...just need sumthin' other than impassioned anecdotes to move me.
Well i have no impassioned anecdotes. Soul could be.

indwelling spirits?
"Any belief must be supported by evidence."
Evidence?
we know all we know about black holes from effects. no more.
What is an indwelling spirit . that we have that is not material.
I suggest your belief is bound by desire.
i allow such because my system says 'material is not everything'
there is no desire or emotion in my thinking here .. i welcome death and oblivion.[that is heaven]
hell, is eternal life.
i dont want a soul. That which conditioning said i had. but cannot show through 'verifiable evidence'
a curse

the curse of religion [for the religious] is they hold tight to you with eternal soul.
bleed you into subservience till you are a sheep
what a crock of shit
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"If this is aimed at me."

Nah...I was/am aimin' at skakos.
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henry quirk wrote:"If this is aimed at me."

Nah...I was/am aimin' at skakos.
lol.. wait one i remove foot from mouth
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"all we know about black holes from effects"

Effects that fit a theory (an explanation or solution)...what effects would 'soul' have and what's the theory those effects satisfy?

As I say: I'm open to havin' my mind changed...I just need evidence.

*shrug*
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