SpheresOfBalance wrote:
So we do have some common ground after all, surprise!
You'll often find people who are somewhat alike argue far more vociferously with each other than those who they share absolutely nothing in common with, people don't engage with people who are the antithesis of the themselves very often. Although I do because bob's a bit crazy and Grey's flogging a book and proselytising his dualist clap trap, so they are kinda funny, mind you I don't claim to be sane but I can see what bob is preaching is ass gravy as is his libertarian idealism which is the antithesis of my liberal but regulated ideas of economics.
Yes, sorry Bob! But he has been the only one that has existed on my ignore list for an indefinite amount of time. You think it's bad now? He's settled down, he used to jump around from thread to thread, popping in just to say, 'Oh ye brothers of tribulation,' or some other such similar nonsense. Quite obnoxious, he was! (I just love Yoda!)
Seen the sequel films of Star Wars Episode IV,V,VI at least a dozen times each and the prequels aside from the first one which is sickeningly crap at least twice. Seen my Star Trek thread, Lord of the Rings thread. I study physics, oh yes I am an uber nerd.
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
So we do have some common ground after all, surprise!
Blaggard wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Blaggard wrote:
You'll often find people who are somewhat alike argue far more vociferously with each other than those who they share absolutely nothing in common with, people don't engage with people who are the antithesis of the themselves very often. Although I do because bob's a bit crazy and Grey's flogging a book and proselytising his dualist clap trap, so they are kinda funny, mind you I don't claim to be sane but I can see what bob is preaching is ass gravy as is his libertarian idealism which is the antithesis of my liberal but regulated ideas of economics.
Yes, sorry Bob! But he has been the only one that has existed on my ignore list for an indefinite amount of time. You think it's bad now? He's settled down, he used to jump around from thread to thread, popping in just to say, 'Oh ye brothers of tribulation,' or some other such similar nonsense. Quite obnoxious, he was! (I just love Yoda!)
Seen the sequel films of Star Wars Episode IV,V,VI at least a dozen times each and the prequels aside from the first one which is sickeningly crap at least twice. Seen my Star Trek thread, Lord of the Rings thread. I study physics, oh yes I am an uber nerd.
Bob's just a bit confused I think...
No, (threads), but I like all that you've mentioned. Love fantasy adventure & scifi, especially space related, allows me to escape the doldrums of being a modern day human clone, of mindless automatons, that really have no clue, unless it's consumerism/materialism. Not that I like beheading humans, most are just duped fools like me, but nasty offensive trolls, orcs and demons, watch the hell out, (much less than confused humans), though deep down I pity their dumb asses too! Especially with my Vorpal Sword in hand!
Yeah, I feel sorry for Bob too, though he's so damned annoying sometimes!
"I am the flame of Anor wielder of the secret flame, you shall not pass! Go back to the shadows flame of urun!"
Love that stuff and like you I don't like trolls at all.
By the way all that gibberish means I am a servant of Eru the one God, weilder of the secret fire, another reference to Erus power to create life, which no on else shares, and flame of Urun is of Utumno the pit where Morgoth perverted the fire elementals aka maia and gave them such hideous form. Incidentally Gandalf is maia too although of a different kind called the Istari as is Sauron the black.
This scene where Gandalf fights Sauron is awesome I posted it on the ME thread.
Blaggard wrote:"I am the flame of Anor wielder of the secret flame, you shall not pass! Go back to the shadows flame of urun!"
Love that stuff and like you I don't like trolls at all.
By the way all that gibberish means I am a servant of Eru the one God, weilder of the secret fire, another reference to Erus power to create life, which no on else shares, and flame of Urun is of Utumno the pit where Morgoth perverted the fire elementals aka maia and gave them such hideous form. Incidentally Gandalf is maia too although of a different kind called the Istari as is Sauron the black.
This scene where Gandalf fights Sauron is awesome I posted it on the ME thread.
I love how the iris of the eye is Sauron as he looked when physical.
I didn't know all that, interesting!
Actually "Troll" as used on the net is a fishing metaphor, at least when it was originally coined.
Love Tolkien, as many do, read both TLOTR trilogy and The Hobbit! Of course I have all Peters movies, theatrical releases, on DVD looking forward to both the blu-ray versions and the extended versions. Tried to read The Silmarillion, but it seriously put me to sleep, as it's really just him setting the stage for all his characters, the lore, have you read it?
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the Silmarillion is written in flowery old language, it was also the last book he wrote, it's basically the story of Eden and the war of heaven put in a mythological setting: Morgoth being the Devil Sauron being his servant and so on. I discussed it on that other thread.
If you are interested in the history of the 2nd age when the Witchking brought down Arnor it's worth a look...
Blaggard wrote:the Silmarillion is written in flowery old language, it was also the last book he wrote, it's basically the story of Eden and the war of heaven put in a mythological setting: Morgoth being the Devil Sauron being his servant and so on. I discussed it on that other thread.
If you are interested in the history of the 2nd age when the Witchking brought down Arnor it's worth a look...
Actually, the Silmarillion, was written after the hobbit, but before TLOTR tri, it was just released by his son after his death, it was unfinished, the workup he used until his idea for TLOTR came to him.
Whats coming out in April, specifically, I'm sure the trilogy is already out on Blu-ray. I know that the second part of "The Hobbit" will be released soon. Is that what you're talking about?
Blaggard wrote:the Silmarillion is written in flowery old language, it was also the last book he wrote, it's basically the story of Eden and the war of heaven put in a mythological setting: Morgoth being the Devil Sauron being his servant and so on. I discussed it on that other thread.
If you are interested in the history of the 2nd age when the Witchking brought down Arnor it's worth a look...
Actually, the Silmarillion, was written after the hobbit, but before TLOTR tri, it was just released by his son after his death, it was unfinished, the workup he used until his idea for TLOTR came to him.
Whats coming out in April, specifically, I'm sure the trilogy is already out on Blu-ray. I know that the second part of "The Hobbit" will be released soon. Is that what you're talking about?
Blaggard wrote:the Silmarillion is written in flowery old language, it was also the last book he wrote, it's basically the story of Eden and the war of heaven put in a mythological setting: Morgoth being the Devil Sauron being his servant and so on. I discussed it on that other thread.
If you are interested in the history of the 2nd age when the Witchking brought down Arnor it's worth a look...
Actually, the Silmarillion, was written after the hobbit, but before TLOTR tri, it was just released by his son after his death, it was unfinished, the workup he used until his idea for TLOTR came to him.
Whats coming out in April, specifically, I'm sure the trilogy is already out on Blu-ray. I know that the second part of "The Hobbit" will be released soon. Is that what you're talking about?
I stand corrected. It's not often a Padawan can out nerd me, kudos.
Blaggard wrote:I kinda get what you mean if justice sought to reform the offender. But I may be wrong and usually am so can you elaborate on that?
if you think justice is a re-compensating idea, how does training a murderer to follow society's edicts (reform) compensate the victim or the victim's relatives?
justice is not reform
getting what you give is justice
-Imp
getting what you give is state sanctioned murder.
I did explain the reason the law of reciprocation came about under Hamrubai's rule of Babylon on another thread I think, ie if a murder has happened to prevent the likelihood of in family feuding the family should be compensated to an extent, this by no means frees the criminal of his crime, but it does allow for less chance at further death occurring due to revenge attacks.
Getting what you give is hardly justice if murder is wrong then killing a person because he has murdered someone is equally wrong, there's a sort of dichotomy there, on the one hand we are saying that murder is bad and the sentence is the same as the crime, regardless of how you want to dress up its legality it's really still just murder.
As I say the Babylonians seemed much more sensible about the idea than the cultures that still use this costly expensive state sanction murder in what is basically just revenge (I mean the famiy is given front row seats to watch a man die, so that somehow that is going to make them feel better) two wrongs do not make a right, and I somehow doubt killing someone is any real compensation to anyone who has lost a family member, as opposed to actually trying to compensate someone's death without encouraging gang land style revenge attacks amongst the families of the aggrieved.
As is say we can't also rule out pragmatism or social welfare from the considerations, so we know that the death sentence does not reduce murder rates, we also find the appellate procedure on death row inmates costs far more than lifetime incarceration, and we also know that in some states where the death sentence has been reintroduced murder rates have actually risen. Because clearly people don't expect to be caught or see incarceration for life as worse than a death sentence and so on, I am sure the reasons are complex, and there is of course some justification in this when you look at the number of unsolved murders in the US. Which is another matter entirely but is relevant.
Sigh I have no idea what you are talking about, and that was not even aimed at my point but rather a dig at the Babylonians.
I suggest if you have a problem with Hammurabai compensating aggrieved families to prevent more death from feuding, you build a time machine and take it up with him.
state sanctioned murder? but the mob rules...
Which is probably why the more sane states don't have the death penalty, the mob does not rule, democracy should though.
Blaggard wrote:Sigh I have no idea what you are talking about, and that was not even aimed at my point but rather a dig at the Babylonians.
I suggest if you have a problem with Hammurabai compensating aggrieved families to prevent more death from feuding, you build a time machine and take it up with him.
state sanctioned murder? but the mob rules...
Which is probably why the more sane states don't have the death penalty, the mob does not rule, democracy should though.
no- justice is not re-education
No I agree..?
state sponsored revenge attacks that don't live up to the vengeance aspect
Blaggard wrote:the Silmarillion is written in flowery old language, it was also the last book he wrote, it's basically the story of Eden and the war of heaven put in a mythological setting: Morgoth being the Devil Sauron being his servant and so on. I discussed it on that other thread.
If you are interested in the history of the 2nd age when the Witchking brought down Arnor it's worth a look...
Actually, the Silmarillion, was written after the hobbit, but before TLOTR tri, it was just released by his son after his death, it was unfinished, the workup he used until his idea for TLOTR came to him.
Whats coming out in April, specifically, I'm sure the trilogy is already out on Blu-ray. I know that the second part of "The Hobbit" will be released soon. Is that what you're talking about?
I stand corrected. It's not often a Padawan can out nerd me, kudos.
You must be confused, you're speaking to the S.O.B. and the S.O.B. is a Zen and Chito Ryu master. But I understand, the hot air of youth and all. The wise call me Sensei.
Blaggard wrote:Sigh I have no idea what you are talking about, and that was not even aimed at my point but rather a dig at the Babylonians.
I suggest if you have a problem with Hammurabai compensating aggrieved families to prevent more death from feuding, you build a time machine and take it up with him.
state sanctioned murder? but the mob rules...
Which is probably why the more sane states don't have the death penalty, the mob does not rule, democracy should though.
no- justice is not re-education
No I agree..?
state sponsored revenge attacks that don't live up to the vengeance aspect
democracy is mob rule
-Imp
Yes it is, but as I keep telling everyone, yet they refuse to listen, it's not Black and White, rather shades of grey. It's a far kinder mob, seeing that live and let live, rules the day, versus murder and be murdered! Because if the killer understood the philosophical truth of life, and yet still thought murder was just, an oxymoron, then he'd have never killed another in the first place, only himself instead!
Impenitent wrote:
state sponsored revenge attacks that don't live up to the vengeance aspect
democracy is mob rule
-Imp
Yes it is, but as I keep telling everyone, yet they refuse to listen, it's not Black and White, rather shades of grey. It's a far kinder mob, seeing that live and let live, rules the day, versus murder and be murdered! Because if the killer understood the philosophical truth of life, and yet still thought murder was just, an oxymoron, then he'd have never killed another in the first place, only himself instead!
QFT. Indeed SoB.
Live and let live seems a morally sensible idea, but clearly not all are capable of following it, it is still better than live and let die though...
Greatest evil laugh in history maybe not, but has to be top 10.
Seriously though all joking aside and Bond references likewise, there is no justification for killing in the name of, there never has been, probably never will, how slow ethics proceeds even in a more enlightened time..?
Blaggard wrote:Sigh I have no idea what you are talking about, and that was not even aimed at my point but rather a dig at the Babylonians.
I suggest if you have a problem with Hammurabai compensating aggrieved families to prevent more death from feuding, you build a time machine and take it up with him.
state sanctioned murder? but the mob rules...
Which is probably why the more sane states don't have the death penalty, the mob does not rule, democracy should though.
no- justice is not re-education
No I agree..?
state sponsored revenge attacks that don't live up to the vengeance aspect
democracy is mob rule
-Imp
Yes imp you said that, I presume you are anti democracy although it's hard to tell from your two concise sentences...
