is the feeling of the universe the creator of the universe

[jackles]

yes is the feeling of an average indiviual when looking out into the universe on a stary night.the cause of the universe.

[Blaggard]

Ok well you are going to have to provide subtitles again jackles because that makes no sense at all.

Try to form an answer that refrains from mislabelling non local as something it isn't though.

When men look up at the stars usually the only thing they see is their mortality and with it how insignificant they hence are.

[jackles]

ha .is the feeling of the individual in the universe or is the universe in the feeling of the individual.cos if the individual has eternal life then his feeling is more perament than the universe.there for the universe would be inside his feeling of it the universe.

[The Voice of Time]

simple answer: no.

The question of whether viewing the universe is the universe is rejected by the fact that looking up a reference to an ongoing event can confirm whether that event really exists (like seeing winds blowing, hearing a loud creak which sounds like a tree being felled by the wind, and going to that place and seeing it). As such you prove the existence of things outside yourself and that things happens not because of you but because of some external unknown cause... they exist already before you see them, although what you are seeing is of course created by yourself interacting with the matter. But, the mere act of seeing is meaningless by itself, and it is the causal world which interests us, and causation continues regardless of your direct visual or auditory interaction with it.

[Blaggard]

"If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound?"

A Buddhist mantra meant to free the self to meditate more uniquely.

I have to go with the above comments of VOT. Although one could argue about the definition of sound, and hence perception, but I think we've already covered that jackles...

"Is the moon still there if we do not look at it?"

Albert Einstein.

I think it's been covered my friend.

[jackles]

it comes down to what is inside what.if there is eternal life then the viewed object the stary universe.is inside the limitless feeling of the individual viewing.

[Blaggard]

it comes down to what is inside what.if there is eternal life then the viewed object the stary universe.is inside the limitless feeling of the individual viewing.

in what way and why? Seems to me you give us mortals far more compass than a circle?

[hammock]

yes is the feeling of an average indiviual when looking out into the universe on a stary night.the cause of the universe.

Is there even a remote possibility that what you mean by "feeling" is equivalent to Schrodinger's "manifest / manifestation" below?

"The world is a construct of our sensations, perceptions, memories. It is convenient to regard it as existing objectively on its own. But it certainly does not become manifest by its mere existence. Its becoming manifest is conditional on very special goings-on in very special parts of this very world, namely on certain events that happen in a brain. That is an inordinately peculiar kind of implication, which prompts the question: What particular properties distinguish these brain processes and enable them to produce the manifestation? Can we guess which material processes have this power, which not? Or simple: What kind of material process is directly associated with consciousness?" ERWIN SCHRODINGER, *WHAT IS LIFE? MIND AND MATTER*

[jackles]

yes that right.but it amounts to an event being inside a feeling.so life is something other than energy.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Ok well you are going to have to provide subtitles again jackles because that makes no sense at all.

Try to form an answer that refrains from mislabelling non local as something it isn't though.

When men look up at the stars usually the only thing they see is their mortality and with it how insignificant they hence are.

Now it makes sense.

But that aside, I see it quite differently. When I look out at the stars it causes the understanding of humanity, to be that much clearer. I think how miraculous all this is, for it all to have just happened, and it's beauty becomes very apparent. So life, versus death, is the image marked indelible in my mind. It in fact brings us all together, though many refuse to see it, and at least in my mind shows us for the fools that we are, to create what we have unfortunately created. It instills in me the fact that those that believe themselves powerful, largely have no clue, and that their construct ignores such vistas, as the story it tells, places us in the proper perspective, if only more were capable of making sense of it, we wouldn't have any problems with our selves.

We are born looking from within, down our noses, outside, trying to make sense of it all, while very few of us, once we get that far out in vision, (the universe), can see the u turn back towards us such that we can see our selves, finally that much clearer, if we take the time, understanding the need.

But no, at lease I see that the universe came first, we are it's children, it's not the other way around. But it is true that many years ago, when I was a child, I had a dream that I created all the people to keep me company, in a void, devoid of all life save mine, as I could not stand to be alone, the only thing to think, therefore I was. I've always wondered why a child would dream such things...

[jackles]

the dream creates the illusion of the self not being alone.but the truth is every one in the dream is you because you are the dreams creator.the carractors in the dream are all you.life is but an energy dream for consciousness.

[Blaggard]

the dream creates the illusion of the self not being alone.but the truth is every one in the dream is you because you are the dreams creator.the carractors in the dream are all you.life is but an energy dream for consciousness.

Yeah I am sure jackles this makes sense to you, but to me it sounds like new age waffle, and no offence to you or your beliefs at all, but I don't see what purpose is served by wild conjecture that is never likely to be based in the real world, it's sort of vaguely the aborigines dream world which is the real world, and so on but it hasn't been though out to well. You shine on you crazy diamond, but for me just: no.

[SpheresOfBalance]

the dream creates the illusion of the self not being alone.but the truth is every one in the dream is you because you are the dreams creator.the carractors in the dream are all you.life is but an energy dream for consciousness.

Yeah I am sure jackles this makes sense to you, but to me it sounds like new age waffle, and no offence to you or your beliefs at all, but I don't see what purpose is served by wild conjecture that is never likely to be based in the real world, it's sort of vaguely the aborigines dream world which is the real world, and so on but it hasn't been though out to well. You shine on you crazy diamond, but for me just: no.

I'd say that's quite rude, especially as you contradict yourself. First to you "it sounds like" and you "don't see what purpose" yet it's "conjecture" and yet "never likely to be based on real world" while at the same time, your neighbors, the "aborigines, dream world" "is the real world" yet jackles, for his version, of something you say just "sounds like," "conjecture," "never likely to be based on real world" is a "crazy diamond." I mean could anyone's dialog be more confused? It would seem it takes a crazy diamond to see them everywhere he looks! Or 'it takes one, to think he sees one.'

So jackles please pay no attention to that crazy diamond in the, "I think I know it all" suit. I would say that one's interpretation of dreams is just as good as the next, or rather, that what you say may be true, yet sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Actually I think I may know why I dreamt it, but was waiting for the foolish to take a pot shot at me first. Thanks for your honest and sincere answer jackles.

[Blaggard]

I can't see your posts spheres and will not until you calm down you are wasting your time talking to me atm, just a heads up, move on, why you are so agitated is beyond me, perhaps I touched your stuff? Either way it will result in a knife battle, you just don't touch peoples stuff...

[SpheresOfBalance]

I can't see your posts spheres and will not until you calm down you are wasting your time talking to me atm, just a heads up, move on, why you are so agitated is beyond me, perhaps I touched your stuff? Either way it will result in a knife battle, you just don't touch peoples stuff...

Move along young one, I wouldn't want you to stab yourself with that knife of yours, that you've used to threatened me with. Better not talk to TVoT like that, as he will report you, having you banned from the site, for life. You'll have to nymshift and obtain a new IP. Fair warning! Keep your knife in your pants, next to your meat and potatoes, where it belongs!