Equality

[henry quirk]

SOB,

Lynn has a functional IQ of 50, is fat, has poor health, and is a horror to look at.

Lynn is a ward of the state, producing nuthin' ('cept poop and piss), consuming lots, and she can't wipe her own keister without gettin' crap all over herself.

Wanda has a functional IQ of 150, is thin, has great health, and is pleasant to look at.

She runs the facility where Lynn malingers (without Wanda, Lynn is homeless and [then] dead).

You really wanna argue Lynn is Wanda's equal in any *practical way?









*sure you can dig down and claim 'natural rights' for Lynn if you like...doing so, however, lays the burden of describing the source of those natural rights squarely at your feet...don't think you (or any one here) can do that.

[R2D2]

"Equality is a lie…A myth to appease the masses. Simply look around and you will see the lie for what it is! There are those with power, those with the strength and will to lead. And there are those meant to follow—those incapable of anything but servitude and a meager, worthless existence.”
Darth Bane-

[HexHammer]

"Equality is a lie…A myth to appease the masses. Simply look around and you will see the lie for what it is! There are those with power, those with the strength and will to lead. And there are those meant to follow—those incapable of anything but servitude and a meager, worthless existence.”
Darth Bane-

Nonsense!
What you speak of is absolute equallity, it should be understood in a more suble way.

Vikings fiercely believed in equallity, even thousands years after the vikings we still say things like "we'r all in the same boat" and "get off your high horse".

We frown excessive wealth, our primie ministers here in Denmark are humble and live in humbleness, even this year it was documented that she shovled snow herself infront of her house.
https://go.tv2.dk/underholdning/2014-01 ... -sin-bolig

Some decades ago, another prime minister Anker Jørgensen lived in a humble apartment down at some dock, the world send it's reporters to Denmark and was shown his home, the reporters refused to believe that a prime minister would live there in such humble place.

Viking warriors told the king to get off his high horse, to fight with the warriors as an equal, instead of sitting comfy on his hors and do nothing, and so it was that kings fought on equal terms like his warriors.

So in equallity may not be in the terms of titles and responsibility, but the ability to lead with example and thusly share the burden as others.

It's also be judged equally for the law.

[SpheresOfBalance]

SOB,

Lynn has a functional IQ of 50, is fat, has poor health, and is a horror to look at.

Lynn is a ward of the state, producing nuthin' ('cept poop and piss), consuming lots, and she can't wipe her own keister without gettin' crap all over herself.

Wanda has a functional IQ of 150, is thin, has great health, and is pleasant to look at.

She runs the facility where Lynn malingers (without Wanda, Lynn is homeless and [then] dead).

You really wanna argue Lynn is Wanda's equal in any *practical way?

A very good argument for one that is not philosophically enlightened. I mean to say, an argument of the common man, not privy to the ins and outs of philosophy. You have placed your values on their heads. What can each of those two women do for you, you wonder? What can each of those two women do for anyone, you ask? (What can they "do" for another), as if they are a commodity, traded on wall street, pieces of meat! This my friend, is indeed shallow, and only a matter of perspective, in this case, yours! Are you absolutely sure that Lynn is not also in a wheel chair and looks a bit like Stephen Hawking's twin sister? But then that would be doing something for you too, wouldn't it? When her peer reviewed paper on astrophysics came out.
Perspective is everything, and in this case, you're on the outside, looking in, and maybe, this time, through frosted glass, as obscured vision, judges worth, and passes sentence.

What can each of us do, that's considered valuable enough, so as to even be considered?

Man, the selfish animal, that can't see the life, for the self! There is no such concept, humane, contained within the animal, human, except to sooth it's want.



*sure you can dig down and claim 'natural rights' for Lynn if you like...doing so, however, lays the burden of describing the source of those natural rights squarely at your feet...don't think you (or any one here) can do that.

SOB in red!

[SpheresOfBalance]

"Equality is a lie…A myth to appease the masses. Simply look around and you will see the lie for what it is! There are those with power, those with the strength and will to lead. And there are those meant to follow—those incapable of anything but servitude and a meager, worthless existence.”
Darth Bane-

I would expect nothing less, from an automaton!

[henry quirk]

"...only a matter of perspective, in this case, yours!"

Of course...never claimed otherwise.

We, you and me, differ in this way...

You believe a human has value (and is on par with all other humans) simply because it, the human, exists.

I believe value is subjective, circumstantial...I believe a human may have profound value to itself, but next to no value to another...I believe another 'living' (as a human) is not sufficient for me to give a shit about that other.

Do I view (most) folks as resources or commodities?

Damn straight I do.

That so many are perfectly willing to trade themselves for profit goes some way to validate my perspective (that is: if Joe whores himself for a buck [or a buck's equivalent] then who am I to treat him otherwise?).

But that's just me, SOB...'you' should continue on doin' whatever it is 'you' believe is 'right' and 'just'.

[SpheresOfBalance]

"...only a matter of perspective, in this case, yours!"

Of course...never claimed otherwise.

We, you and me, differ in this way...

You believe a human has value (and is on par with all other humans) simply because it, the human, exists.
No, it's I that "knows" that there is no rule book of the universe, that says how any life "should" live, such that it's common sense, "logical," that the only way to ensure one's version, is to ensure others, philosophically speaking of course, which seems to elude you; otherwise one is their own worst enemy!

I believe value is subjective, circumstantial...I believe a human may have profound value to itself, but next to no value to another...I believe another 'living' (as a human) is not sufficient for me to give a shit about that other.
You forgot that pesky little word, "selfish" to complete your view, how convenient, as your belief system makes you meat, for a much larger, more capable, fish!

Do I view (most) folks as resources or commodities?

Damn straight I do.

That so many are perfectly willing to trade themselves for profit goes some way to validate my perspective (that is: if Joe whores himself for a buck [or a buck's equivalent] then who am I to treat him otherwise?).

But that's just me, SOB...'you' should continue on doin' whatever it is 'you' believe is 'right' and 'just'.

"Some are just too ignorant to see that their argument actually defeats them 'selves,' perpetuating the chaos they actually fear! Awwwhh, but they beat their chests loudly, sitting in the relative lap of luxury, that the pen, backed by the sword, affords!"

"The beast within, leaving no room for the enlightenment, the intellect; they, only the product of them being allowed, as they deny it; fools?"

[henry quirk]

"...which seems to elude you..."

Nope. I said, at least once in this thread, I see the value of 'pretending' that equality is real.

I also said, at least once in this thread, pragmatically pretending equality is real is not synonymous with 'equality is real'.

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"your belief system makes you meat, for a much larger, more capable, fish!"

No shit, Sherlock.

At some point everyone is prey.

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"selfish"

Yes, I am.

And, so are you.

I, at least, admit it.

*shrug*

[henry quirk]

I wrote: 'Do I view (most) folks as resources or commodities? Damn straight I do.'

More accurately: I view most folks as obstacles...they are indeed resources and commodities but of such poor quality that most aren't worth the trouble to use.

[SpheresOfBalance]

"...which seems to elude you..."

Nope. I said, at least once in this thread, I see the value of 'pretending' that equality is real.

I also said, at least once in this thread, pragmatically pretending equality is real is not synonymous with 'equality is real'.

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"your belief system makes you meat, for a much larger, more capable, fish!"

No shit, Sherlock.

At some point everyone is prey.

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"selfish"

Yes, I am.

And, so are you.

I, at least, admit it.

*shrug*

"Some are just too ignorant to see that their argument actually defeats them 'selves,' perpetuating the chaos they actually fear! Awwwhh, but they beat their chests loudly, sitting in the relative lap of luxury, that the pen, backed by the sword, affords!"

"The beast within, leaving no room for the enlightenment, the intellect; they, only the product of them being allowed, as they deny it; fools?"

Some just don't get it???
*shrug*

[SpheresOfBalance]

I wrote: 'Do I view (most) folks as resources or commodities? Damn straight I do.'

More accurately: I view most folks as obstacles...they are indeed resources and commodities but of such poor quality that most aren't worth the trouble to use.

Ever wonder where this comes from, as it affects you, the root of it's perpetuation?


Some just don't get it!
*Shrug*

[henry quirk]

SOB,

As I've told others in-forum: you go on and do what you 'feel' you must (save the world, etc.), and, I'll keep on doin' what 'I' do ('not' saving the world, etc.).

[SpheresOfBalance]

SOB,

As I've told others in-forum: you go on and do what you 'feel' you must (save the world, etc.), and, I'll keep on doin' what 'I' do ('not' saving the world, etc.).

But yet, at least I believed that we were here to argue "Equality!" Then why are you here? To proceed along that path? Then my argument does just that:

"The ones that argue there is 'no' equality, are the ones that make it so!"
"While the ones that argue there 'is' equality, equally, make that so!"

Call it a result of applied Quantum Mechanics, if you will!

It really just depends upon which side you're on, i.e., a would be slave owner, or a would be slave emancipator? And the funny thing is, as I've already stated in so many words, is that a side effect is that, the would be slave owners ensure they're enslaved, in their process of enslaving, perpetuating an antiquated, shallow vision, of neanderthal-like thinking, that should have been eliminated from human development, quite some time ago, to my way of thinking, lest humanity remains in their dark ages, i.e., mind numbing stupidity for extended years, beyond it's time; in other words: as to a few of the why's and how's of human psychology, or what I like to call "human confusion," due to their selfishness, as we've passed the times of plenty, and are currently descending into the time of self annihilation, the stupid animal that it currently is, not able to keep pace with it's no longer needed selfishness. If the root of all evil is money, then the seed of all evil is selfishness, if we use that stage of development, to be the origin, i.e., the start of the cycle, the seed of perpetuation!

There was a study on obesity, as it pertains to our need to obtain nourishment, in an age of past scarcity, relative to a time of plenty, that current industrialized agriculture affords, in that the human animal has largely been unable to keep pace. I see this is also true when it comes to "Equality." That largely the human animal has been unable to keep pace. This past/current inability, shall in fact bring about our self annihilation, if we remain unable to change our mindset, and be quick about it! We have a lot of growing up to do, in a very short amount of time! And it all starts with psychology mixed with philosophy, which are born of the same animal, namely through self examination; cleaning the psyche of all the destructive antiquated tendencies, that have not kept pace with the day! They are the things that manifest our 'current' troubles, make no mistake, selfishness is at the top of the list, the seed of all our current evils!

[Blaggard]

I really wish people would stop using quantum mechanics to describe some analogy, not because it is not right or proper to do so, but if you don't really get the science and maths behind it, it makes Scientists feel bad.

That said there is no equality in a Minkowski tensor.

That's a maths joke, and no I wont feel agrieved if you don't get it, or think it's funny. All mathematics jokes are by default not funny, and all Physicists and Mathematicians are well aware of this, which is ironically what makes it so funny.

"What did Hitler say to his men before they got in their tanks?"

"Men get in your tanks."

I think you get the idea.

ETA: I assume the Lorentz transformation in the above criminally unfunny joke.

[henry quirk]

"It really just depends upon which side you're on, i.e., a would be slave owner, or a would be slave emancipator?"

There's a third choice: to not own folks and to let those who allow themselves to be owned to do as they like (run away, rise up, stay put, etc.).

As for arguing (for or against) equality: I've done that (argued concretely against the reality of) and haven't been moved by any (of what passes for) dissenting views.

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"it makes Scientists feel bad"

HA!