Gee wrote:Blaggard wrote:
Lol I am well aware this is a philosophy forum and I am not having a go, my intent is only to challenge concerns which are philosophy of science or science,
So no I don't think you can dictate how debate progresses, and I don't think it is fair to expect people to have sloppy psuedo scientific prose passed off as either philosophy or science. So yes by all means if you just want a dialogue take it to pm, if you want a discussion I am pretty sure that is what forums are for, no?
Blaggard;
After leaving this forum more than a year ago, I went to two other forums and worked on "emotion" and the "supernatural". It was my thought that I could bring some of what I learned back to this thread as it is all relevant to consciousness. But if I am going to have to deal with another person, whose main purpose in life is to try to debunk everything that they don't understand, then I am not sure that I can accomplish my goal.
I copied the following from an earlier post of yours in this thread:
Blaggard wrote:Post subject: Re: Pure Consciousness?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:23 am
Another point of order Penrose and Hammeroffs work is considered fringe if not outright crackpottery by most of science and has widely been discredited. Which doesn't mean quantum mechanics does not play some role in consciousness, it means that they have found no viable experimental way of proving that it could. I got
banned from a physics forum once for posting part of the paper, which was amusing. At the time I thought it might be a reasonable hypothesis but have since learnt more and find the conclusions also to be dubious.
Please note that the thread that I started on the Supernatural was started in the Philosophy section of a Science Forum. Science is not generally noted as looking kindly upon threads regarding the Supernatural, but I managed to get in 15 pages, it has almost 8,000 hits in less than a year, and I did NOT get banned. So I think that your opinion of these ideas as being "sloppy psuedo scientific prose" is bullshit.
They like to call people "crackpots" at that forum; maybe that is where you were banned from? You could always try another science forum, since you like science sooooo muuuuch.
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Yeah so basically you want to get rid of me so you can sail on open seas towards your orizons and not have to deal with those pesky people who shoot down your mythology in flames.
Ok well who the hell cares.
As I said cry me o' river.
I am not here to debunk anyone, I don't care if you believe in a magic monkey that fires moonbeams out of its ass, I will however contend with poor science, if you don't mind and I don't think I should be persecuted for pointing out poor science or poor philosophy for that matter.
You want a personal forum where you can express only your ideas, start your own forum, that's ok, but don't come to another forum and dictate to people who want a discussion what you want and when you want it, that is not what forums are about. You can my friend with the greatest of respect... and the horse you rode in on.
You could always try another philosophy forum since you like philosophy soooo much, maybe there they will cater to your needs, indulge you let you speak in your inner circle, I wouldn't count on it though. I don't think forums really cater to inner circles, Kaballah, Illuminati, or oligarchical constructs. But I am sure out there somewhere there is a forum that does, the internet is a big place.
A forum is an area of free discussion where all views may be expressed see the original use of the term forum here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_%28Roman%29
In addition to its standard function as a marketplace, a forum was a gathering place of great social significance, and often the scene of diverse activities, including political discussions and debates, rendezvous, meetings, et cetera. In that case it supplemented the function of a conciliabulum.
Every Italian municipium had a forum. Forums were the first feature of any civitas synoecized whether Latin, Italic, Etruscan, Greek, Celtic or some other. The first forums were sited between independent villages in the prehistoric period, known only through archaeology. After the rise of the Roman Republic, the most noted forum of the Roman world, the Roman Forum in Rome itself, served as a model of new construction. By the time of the late Republic expansions and refurbishing of the forums of the city had inspired Pompey Magnus to create the Theatre of Pompey in 55 BC. The Theatre included a massive forum behind the theatre arcades known as the Porticus Pompei (Colonnades of Pompey). The structure was the forebearer to Julius Caesar's first Imperial forum and the rest to follow.
Other major forums are found in Italy; however, they are not to be confused with the piazza of the modern town, which may have originated from a number of different types of ancient civic centers, or more likely was its own type. While similar in use and function to forums, most were created in the Middle Ages and are often not a part of the original city footprint.
Forums were a regular part of every Roman province in the Republic and the Empire, with archaeological examples at:
Wall painting from Pompeii depicting everyday activities in the marketplace
Forum of Philippi
Forum and Provincial Forum of Mérida, Spain
Forum of Tarragona, Spain
Forum of Pompeii, Italy
In new Roman towns the Forum was usually located at, or just off, the intersection of the main north-south and east-west streets (the Cardo and Decumanus). All forums would have a Temple of Jupiter at the north end, and would also contain other temples, as well as the Basilica; a public weights and measures table, so customers at the market could ensure they were not being sold short measures; and would often have the baths nearby. At election times, candidates would use the steps of the temples in the forum to make their election speeches, and would expect their clients to come to support them.
I'm not sure what you want, but what you want is not a forum, good luck in finding what you want. That's ok just go find what you want and stop dictating how you want your discussions to be, in an inner sanctum amongst only those who agree with you and only in the ways you want them to. That is my friend not a forum that is a "circle jerk". No offence but if you got banned for trying to dictate your beliefs to the masses you might want to step down off the pedestal you are on and discuss things with the plebs, take that as you may, constructive criticism it is intended to be, it is not at home to dictators though, that is only the right of those who make the rules which you are welcome to report me to.
Your specualtion on which forum I was banned from for posting the Penrose paper is noted, you however seem to be speculating, and didn't actually post the forum you meant, this means I cannot confirm or deny that was the forum, it seems to me you are just looking for a nice cozy chat with those who agree with you, I'd try Facebook or something like that, clearly forums are not your bag.
I will say one last thing though if you want a discussion, forums are for you, if you want something else, they are not for you, you should of course as already said find some cozy nest amongst like minded people to lay your eggs.
