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Am I a Hypocrite?



Last night my wife & I attended a benefit for homeless animals.


When the plate came around for hamburgers – I took one...a number of times.

They also served chicken and I stuffed myself on fabulous cheeses.



Philosophically, is there a difference between dogs and cats, and pigs and cattle?






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Yeah dogs and cats are pets and they have an emotional connotation. Other than that no it's all meat, some countries eat dog, I suspect they would eat cats too but they probably taste horrible... Most predators particularly top predators don't taste that good, although not all I am reliably informed. For example human tastes like pork, and is or was once eaten regularly by some indigenous tribes. ;)

It's for the same reason that the English find horse meat an abomination although oddly the French eat it all the time, but then they have different sensibilities and eat snails and frogs and all sorts, it's just a cultural thing I think.

Are you a hypocrite, probably, but it's a forgiveable hypocrisy I think. I think vegetarians that eat fish are guilty of a similar hypocrisy so...
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Blaggard wrote:Yeah dogs and cats are pets and they have an emotional connotation. Other than that no it's all meat, some countries eat dog, I suspect they would eat cats too but they probably taste horrible... Most predators particularly top predators don't taste that good, although not all I am reliably informed. For example human tastes like pork, and is or was once eaten regularly by some indigenous tribes. ;)

It's for the same reason that the English find horse meat an abomination although oddly the French eat it all the time, but then they have different sensibilities and eat snails and frogs and all sorts, it's just a cultural thing I think.
Complete babble.

Pigs are the most intelligent of the 4 animals, it's quite difficult to have an animal as pet that consider itself as an equal to man, instead of being submissive as a dog or just cuddly as a cat. Though some people keeps the smaller races of pigs as pets, even George Clooney have had a 'Nam piggy as pet.
A calf has big hoofs that really hurts when it steps on your toes, and the calf requires to eat all the time, why it's problematic to have it as a pet hanging aroud you, besides it makes huge smelly droppings and it's problematic to keep it housebroke unlike the 3 other animals.
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HexHammer wrote:
Blaggard wrote:Yeah dogs and cats are pets and they have an emotional connotation. Other than that no it's all meat, some countries eat dog, I suspect they would eat cats too but they probably taste horrible... Most predators particularly top predators don't taste that good, although not all I am reliably informed. For example human tastes like pork, and is or was once eaten regularly by some indigenous tribes. ;)

It's for the same reason that the English find horse meat an abomination although oddly the French eat it all the time, but then they have different sensibilities and eat snails and frogs and all sorts, it's just a cultural thing I think.
Complete babble.

Pigs are the most intelligent of the 4 animals, it's quite difficult to have an animal as pet that consider itself as an equal to man, instead of being submissive as a dog or just cuddly as a cat. Though some people keeps the smaller races of pigs as pets, even George Clooney have had a 'Nam piggy as pet.
A calf has big hoofs that really hurts when it steps on your toes, and the calf requires to eat all the time, why it's problematic to have it as a pet hanging aroud you, besides it makes huge smelly droppings and it's problematic to keep it housebroke unlike the 3 other animals.
Do you always start every post with "complete nonsense" to then follow it with complete nonsense, because no offence, but I'm sensing a pattern. Yes really we don't eat cats and dogs because we have an attachment to them that doesn't usually exist with pigs and cattle. That's true, it's not nonsense, it actually is why we don't. The vast majority of people don't keep pigs as pets for example or sheep, but I hear quite often on various mediums that those who do, often show a marked aversion to eating that animal henceforth.

Cows require grazing land, they also weigh at least a ton on average when fully grown, making it impractical to keep a cow in your house as a pet, this is true, but then that only goes to prove my point. ;)
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Blaggard wrote:Yes really we don't eat cats and dogs because we have an attachment to them that doesn't usually exist with pigs and cattle. That's true, it's not nonsense, it actually is why we don't.
You don't really know what you are talking about.

In Chinay they eat both cats and dogs.

You must look in past history that the cat served as a very purposeful pet as it would eat mice and rats, which is highly damageing pests, why we have high regards for it, we usually don't kill those who serve us well, and certainly not friends of the household.
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hex are you a real person you seem as if transported through time from some edwardian village
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HexHammer wrote:
Blaggard wrote:Yes really we don't eat cats and dogs because we have an attachment to them that doesn't usually exist with pigs and cattle. That's true, it's not nonsense, it actually is why we don't.
You don't really know what you are talking about.

In Chinay they eat both cats and dogs.

You must look in past history that the cat served as a very purposeful pet as it would eat mice and rats, which is highly damageing pests, why we have high regards for it, we usually don't kill those who serve us well, and certainly not friends of the household.
Yes you really have not made a good argument there, no offence but animals we form attachments with we do not eat, it doesn't matter if a cat is a ratter or a dog is a hunting hound, being close to us, us being social animals tends to make us unable to eat them. Now in some countries they will eat them, but they don't see them as pets necessarily and they often have the option of starving or eating, or at least have had. Europe has always been well stocked with food, it's why it grew to the imperialism it later did on the world.

It's why however we don't eat them, and I am sorry but it is true. All food animals serve us just as well, the argument that we only eat sheep because they do not serve us is redundant.


Pragmatism over human emotion, that is naïve. :P

And for gods sake stop starting every post you make with you are talking crap or wot not, it's getting old. Especially when you are the one talking crap. Start a post with a rational argument and finish it with one, or no one will care.
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Fur being removed from cats after slaughter. These cats were just submerged in boiling water for a few seconds after being killed. This loosens the fur, making it easier to remove. Image taken at an East Asian market.

In Guangdong and Guangxi provinces in south-eastern China, some - especially older - people consider cat flesh a good warming food during winter months. However, in northern China eating cat is considered unacceptable. It is estimated that around 4 million cats are eaten in China each year, and that the number is rising.[3] However, overseas visitors are unlikely to come across downtown restaurants serving cat, which is only common out of town and in the city outskirts.[3]

The cat's stomach and intestines may be eaten, as well as meat from the thighs, which are turned into meatballs served with soup, with the head and the rest of the animal then thrown away. In Guangdong, cat meat is a main ingredient in the traditional dish "dragon, tiger, phoenix" (snake, cat, chicken), which is said to fortify the body.[3]

Organized cat-collectors supply the southern restaurants with animals that often originate in Anhui and Jiangsu provinces.[3][4] On 26 January 2010 China launched its first draft proposal to protect the country's animals from maltreatment including a measure to jail people, for periods up to 15 days, for eating cat or dog meat.[5][6]

With the increase of cats as pets in China, opposition towards the traditional use of cats for food has grown. In June 2006, approximately 40 activists stormed the Fangji Cat Meatball Restaurant in Shenzhen, forcing it to shut down.[7] Expanded to more than 40 member societies, the Chinese Animal Protection Network in January 2006 began organizing well-publicized protests against dog and cat consumption, starting in Guangzhou, following up in more than ten other cities "with very optimal response from public."[8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat
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Blagg what we both have said is true, but Europe has also sufferd from famine, specially under it's many wars, where we happily ate anything but in ritcher times didn't continue such habbits.
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Yeah but that makes absolutely no difference to my argument about pets, seldom have we had starvation which is the point you missed; of course if I am starving I will eat people, pets meh they got eaten weeks ago. At least you didn't say that is crap this time. Which is nice. The point remains we don't eat pets because of emotional attachment to them. Ok if it's a choice between life and death you'd probably eat anything but that has nothing to do with what I said or the argument I made, so let's admit that we don't eat pets because we form emotional attachments to them and leave it at that.
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I think it's only by the rennisance that we begin to adopt dogs and cats as household pets, and it's only for the very ritch, else dogs served as guard dogs and hunting dogs, and cats to catch mice and rats, so yearh you are making to broad statements.
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HexHammer wrote:I think it's only by the rennisance that we begin to adopt dogs and cats as household pets, and it's only for the very ritch, else dogs served as guard dogs and hunting dogs, and cats to catch mice and rats, so yearh you are making to broad statements.
Er we were talking about modern times, you do like reaching though, which is nice. :roll:


Look end of the day I am right and you are wrong, that said I don't really care, I tend to prefer being wrong it's how we learn, I haven't got a score board, my ego is usually pretty odd, and you do though have to accept reality none the less.

I am making statements that are true. How broad do you want to make them false, because there are no ultimate truths..?
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Truth is very relative and have many subjective aspects about it, you can't handle to have your oppinions and socalled "truths" challenged.
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