is there an omni surface

[jackles]

is there a nonlocal omni surface to all moving things.this surface of nonlocality is seen by an observer as time and space to a consciouse super position.

[Blaggard]

is the universe holographic you mean, this is a pretty hard question to answer, but most scientists think the idea is pretty unlikely and it is extremely fringe at best, some experiments rule it out as well. So to answer your question they don't know, but they don't think so.

If it is holographic I will become a String Theorist over night, and I think those guys are imaginative psuedoscientists with a penchant for theory over substance.

Let me ask you a question...

"If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound?"

[jackles]

ok blogs in a local way yes.and in a nolocal way no.it exists in event terms only.the observers consciousness is eventless so the tree fell in event terms but the tree never realy existed in terms of the nonlocal observation of the tree.before anything was the observer was.regs jackles

[Blaggard]

ok blogs in a local way yes.and in a nolocal way no.it exists in event terms only.the observers consciousness is eventless so the tree fell in event terms but the tree never realy existed in terms of the nonlocal observation of the tree.before anything was the observer was.regs jackles

Definition of sound:

sound1
saʊnd/
noun
noun: sound; noun: musical sound; plural noun: musical sounds

1.
vibrations that travel through the air or another medium and can be heard when they reach a person's or animal's ear.
"light travels faster than sound"

4.
an idea or impression conveyed by words.
"you've had a hard day, by the sound of it"
synonyms: idea, thought, concept, impression, prospect, description More
"they do not like the sound of her plans"


How does that change your answer?

So you are saying if no one was around it never actually fell or it fell independently of an observer seeing it or it made a sound, be precise..?

[jackles]

it doesnt change anything blogs because thats all event stuff your talking about and consciousness aint event stuff in my opinion.

[Blaggard]

it doesnt change anything blogs because thats all event stuff your talking about and consciousness aint event stuff in my opinion.

Well it should since sound is a perception, if no one is around it didn't happen is in effect what you are saying, but if we went into the woods and found a tree had fallen would it not be logical to assume it had made a sound, or would it be illogical to assume it did?

This is essentially an analogy to the Copenhagen interpretation.

If we don't observe something we must be agnostic about its existence or even atheistic..

A Scientist might use some fancy maths to say the sound was undefined, but it is still a relevant question to ask...

"Is the moon still there when we are not looking at it?"

Albert Einstein.

[jackles]

blogs i dont believe consciousness can be an energy construct like the brain is.i think that consiousness comes from a surface of omni present and therefor sizeless nonlocality.time and space are just an aspect of that creative omni presents.its there at the quantum level and its there at the relative level of things.our minds put scale to the event.the double slit electron exp proves this in away.einstiein was i think ref to this when as you say he qestioned wether the moon exists if its not being observed.in an absolute way its not and never was in existance.but of course in a local mechanical way its there and will be there in the future i hope.ha ha.

[Blaggard]

blogs i dont believe consciousness can be an energy construct like the brain is.i think that consiousness comes from a surface of omni present and therefor sizeless nonlocality.time and space are just an aspect of that creative omni presents.its there at the quantum level and its there at the relative level of things.our minds put scale to the event.the double slit electron exp proves this in away.einstiein was i think ref to this when as you say he qestioned wether the moon exists if its not being observed.in an absolute way its not and never was in existance.but of course in a local mechanical way its there and will be there in the future i hope.ha ha.

Einstein said that to mock quantum mechanics idea that if something is not observed does it exist, Copenhagen interpretation says it is undefined, it's ontology on the other hand is a moot point.

I just think it's an interesting analogue to the interpretational issues, something Einstein never really condoned, even though he and Schrödinger were largely responisible for creating the interpretation we now know as Copenhagen they felt it was inherently flawed. It does work but as to what is really going on we have to remain agnostic.

See the thread on infinities for more detail.

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12260

Saves me having to repeat myself.

[jackles]

no blogs be gnostic.cos when you know that the inside and outside the up and the down and man and women.are all the same thing.you will know that you are in the kingdom.

[Blaggard]

no blogs be gnostic.cos when you know that the inside and outside the up and the down and man and women.are all the same thing.you will know that you are in the kingdom.

Ok can we have that in English, no offence but that made no sense to me and my first language is English.

The Gnostics believed that you could know God through revealed information and that not knowing God was hence impossible to their esoteric scribes, they also claimed Jesus was mortal and for example John the Baptist (who brought Christ into Christianity by baptising him in the Jordan river) was supposed to have come from their order. Which is why I don't understand what you mean..?

After the Nicene council which decided what was and was not "gospel" or cannonical most gnostics were hunted down and slaughtered, which eventually lead to the schism of orthodoxy residing in the Middle East specifically Jerusalem etc and Catholicism residing mostly in Rome and Europe; the Gnostic order no longer exists but it's legacy such as the gospel of Thomas, The Gospel of Mary Magdellene were found in Nag Hamadai along with a lot of pre Jewish scripture that The Catholic Church slowly by elision destroyed.

Up is not down it is spacially removed, and women are not men, although they could be if they have gender dissociation disorder.

Maths says x is not y or z but they are interdependent for example, which is logically at least air tight.

[jackles]

no blogs be gnostic.cos when you know that the inside and outside the up and the down and man and women.are all the same thing.you will know that you are in the kingdom.this is more less from the gnostic gosples.

[jackles]

yes well if consciouness was indeed nonlocal it would tally with the gnostic gospels.in as much as the gosples are talking about the nonlocalness of virtue in a local enviroment.virtue being the same both in man and woman.in other words love is nonlocal omni presents to locality.

[Blaggard]

yes well if consciouness was indeed nonlocal it would tally with the gnostic gospels.in as much as the gosples are talking about the nonlocalness of virtue in a local enviroment.virtue being the same both in man and woman.in other words love is nonlocal omni presents to locality.

Yes that's what Jesus said but then he was a racist...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIVB3DdRgqU

So think on...

Omnipresent does not relate or present to locality, that's why it's called omnipresent it relates to everywhere at once. Hence the argument that God is ubiquitous. Hence why non locality in fact denotes not existing locally.

Love or eros or Karitas as the Greeks called it which means erotic love and love of your fellow man respectively or charity is beside the point. In fact Paul in the cannonical scriptures reaffirms that love between men and men and women and women is most certainly forbidden in his letters to both the Romans and the Corinthians.

[jackles]

the knower of the field or universe could not be racist.racism is locally restricted consciousness.

[Blaggard]

the knower of the field or universe could not be racist.racism is locally restricted consciousness.

Which also makes no sense.