Child No Longer Speaks-Out Against Violence in Syria...

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Beirut (AFP) - At least 26 people were killed in aerial attacks with explosive-packed barrel bombs in the northern Syrian city of Aleppo on Monday, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.



For months, the people of Syria have been brutally attacked by their own government. And the people have yet to find a voice...


...god help us see.




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[Arising_uk]

If I remember right your solution will be to shoot loads more people in the jaw.

It's only some of the people of Syria Bill as much as you may not like it a fair chunk, over 50%, still support Assad as they know that the fundamentalist islamists, backed by the Saudis(Americas current best friends), et al, are now heavily involved and if they win it'll be a repeat of whats happening in pretty much all of the Arab spring countries, the usurpation by fundamentalist islam, hence the recent Christian church leader's appeal to the US to stop backing the rebels.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Good post...yes the solution ALWAYS seems to be - shoot.



Ah, to be human.



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[Arising_uk]

Good post...yes the solution ALWAYS seems to be - shoot.

No, that was your previous solution.

[The Voice of Time]

I've never really had much empathy for the rebels. Assad is a bad guy, but why does it always have to be a case of everyone being the bad guy? I don't trust the rebels, and the rebels don't even trust themselves. It's a real fuck-up.

The only "solution" the way I see it, is occupation... stop the war by full-scale occupation, enforce free elections and gradually withdraw as the country and newly elected powers are consolidated. Enforce a federation with clear divisions of power to avoid a new conflict from erupting from mismanagement like this time.

[bobevenson]

I'll tell you one thing, it's absolutely improper for a relatively free society like the United States to be spending taxpayer money anywhere in the world for anything that is not a direct threat to our interests. Yes, let those bastards wipe each other off the face of the Earth. Too fucking bad, but it's not our problem.

[The Voice of Time]

US don't need to be part of it. Europe has more than enough military power to do it themselves.

[Arising_uk]

Think again, the EU has no credible fighting force. What you are saying would mean the British would have to bear the brunt of such an action and our army has pretty much had it now due to recent commitments and the cuts being made to it. The Americans have bailed us out time and time again in recent actions(although in many we shouldn't have been there in the first place) and the EU has no political will nor the political unity to create such a thing. A retired soldier I know laughed at the idea when I proposed this, as his opinion of the fighting capabilities of the other major EU members armies was extremely low. Although he did reconsider when I pointed-out that we would have to rearm the Germans and we'd also have all ex-soviet citizens to train to fight and the French Foreign Legion proved it is possible to have an effective multi-national fighting force. Although it'd have to use one language and I really doubt the politicians of France, Italy, et al would ever get around to agreeing to it being English even tho' this would be the logical choice.

One thing VoT, you talk much about Europe but your country is not actually a part of it?

[Arising_uk]

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The only "solution" the way I see it, is occupation... stop the war by full-scale occupation, enforce free elections and gradually withdraw as the country and newly elected powers are consolidated. Enforce a federation with clear divisions of power to avoid a new conflict from erupting from mismanagement like this time.

Do you know how long you have to stay in a country to achieve this? Given the British Empire's example about a couple of hundred years if you are starting from a scratch base. The only real solution is to stay out of others business unless you want to be an Imperial power and exercise such power.

[artisticsolution]

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The only "solution" the way I see it, is occupation... stop the war by full-scale occupation, enforce free elections and gradually withdraw as the country and newly elected powers are consolidated. Enforce a federation with clear divisions of power to avoid a new conflict from erupting from mismanagement like this time.

Do you know how long you have to stay in a country to achieve this? Given the British Empire's example about a couple of hundred years if you are starting from a scratch base. The only real solution is to stay out of others business unless you want to be an Imperial power and exercise such power.

I have always found it odd, that the US and Japan are on such good terms with each other, considering the fact that it has only been a relatively short time since we dropped 2 horrific bombs on them. It seems unfathomable to me that we would be such good friends so quickly.

How did that happen?

[bobevenson]

I have always found it odd, that the US and Japan are on such good terms with each other, considering the fact that it has only been a relatively short time since we dropped 2 horrific bombs on them.

Oh, yeah, forget about Pearl Harbor; that was just a fucking Sunday School picnic. We're such good friends with those bastards today because we buy their cars and provide them with protection from China, or haven't you noticed?

[artisticsolution]

I have always found it odd, that the US and Japan are on such good terms with each other, considering the fact that it has only been a relatively short time since we dropped 2 horrific bombs on them.

Oh, yeah, forget about Pearl Harbor; that was just a fucking Sunday School picnic. We're such good friends with those bastards today because we buy their cars and provide them with protection from China, or haven't you noticed?

Really? Is that the only reason? Seems to me we buy stuff from other parts of the world (like gas to run those cars) and we don't have a good relationship with most of those countries?

[bobevenson]

I have always found it odd, that the US and Japan are on such good terms with each other, considering the fact that it has only been a relatively short time since we dropped 2 horrific bombs on them.

Oh, yeah, forget about Pearl Harbor; that was just a fucking Sunday School picnic. We're such good friends with those bastards today because we buy their cars and provide them with protection from China, or haven't you noticed?

Really? Is that the only reason? Seems to me we buy stuff from other parts of the world (like gas to run those cars) and we don't have a good relationship with most of those countries?

Oil is a commodity sold all over the world, but not cars, my friend.

[The Voice of Time]

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The only "solution" the way I see it, is occupation... stop the war by full-scale occupation, enforce free elections and gradually withdraw as the country and newly elected powers are consolidated. Enforce a federation with clear divisions of power to avoid a new conflict from erupting from mismanagement like this time.

Do you know how long you have to stay in a country to achieve this? Given the British Empire's example about a couple of hundred years if you are starting from a scratch base. The only real solution is to stay out of others business unless you want to be an Imperial power and exercise such power.

Enormous amounts of lives could be saved including an entire country. Who gives a shit about imperialism when people are dying like flies and the country is literally being torn to shreds!

Stay out is cowardice, and with the vast resources of the European Union that is extra cowardice.

[The Voice of Time]

Think again, the EU has no credible fighting force. What you are saying would mean the British would have to bear the brunt of such an action

What? Bullshit. Just because France, Germany, Italy and Spain aren't as often at war with other countries as the British makes them no less capable or "credible". Remember that Britain is the only major European power without a commissioned aircraft carrier. All of the European major powers field vast military capacity, all of them are hugely technologically developed in military terms, and although any single one of them would be exhausting its military spending power and equipment to go in single-handedly, a combination of them would have more than enough power. For foot soldiering there are bunches of other countries in the EU as well which could contribute to keeping the peace across villages and small towns, and if they become big enough in force you could have a very (relatively speaking) peaceful Syria very quickly.

Both the rebel faction and Assad's faction must be abolished. Take Liberia as an example, the solution to a divided country is: disband all military and collect military equipment, then build a new army from scratch whose purpose is mainly to keep the peace and the country steady and stable.

Comparing it to Afghanistan... Afghanistan is 3.5 times bigger than Syria, so Syria is a much smaller country. And to compare topography, compare this (Syria) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Syria_Topography.png to this (Afghanistan) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Afghan_topo_en.jpg

Afghan topography makes Syria in comparison look almost flat. The Afghan population is almost 50% bigger than Syria, and atop of all this the Syrian fighting forces are also exhausted and a hugely superior power like a joint EU mission should deeply demoralize armed resistance and quickly cause many of them to self-disband. What fighting forces are left will quickly fall apart.

And checking and seeing that Greece has alone more than 1200 main battle tanks, perhaps we could pay Greece to do much of the dirty-work... -> make it Europe's mercenary nation. (huge military spending was one of the things that crippled Greece's economy)