Who cares anyway?

[Greylorn Ell]

My posts will reflect a narrow focus: Integration of theology and physics, via the long disregarded mechanism of applied philosophy. While expecting to find considerable disagreement, I'm only seeking kindred spirits interested in resolving this long-intractable problem.

My background is mostly physics, EE, astronomy, biochemistry, instrumentation control. I've written two books, the first a best-seller (in Brazil and Holland), the more recent one a dreadful failure. Digital Universe -- Analog Soul contains too many personal opinions that are irrelevant to its thesis, but its biggest problem is that it contains an excess of divergent ideas. It cannot be successfully speed-read, and must be perused slowly, with rereads amid chapters, much like a physics textbook. If you figure on reading it, please do so no faster than a chapter/week, and complain at me in the meantime. Chapter 5 must be fully understood before moving on, no matter how many readings are required.

I live in the Arizona boondocks, alone for lack of an intelligent and good humored woman who knows how to work safely around a chainsaw, loves to dance, and who wants to live with an ornery old goat with several sets of aftermarket parts. My personal tastes are generally low class. I watch Green Bay Packer football and love country dancing, partnership style. I drink red wine with fish and fowl, love Chopin and Beethoven, detest rap noise. Favorite movies are the original Star Wars, Galaxy Quest, and one other whose title I forgot. For TV, I enjoy Bones, The Mentalist, and Castle, while mourning the apparent demise of Redneck Island. When it comes nostalgia time, I replay a Laurel & Hardy short, or another hour with the incomparable Benny Hill.

[thedoc]

Welcome to the forum, interesting question, if you don't care, why post?

I can see that we share some common interests, but my wife lets me to handle the chainsaw, it's a bit heavy for her, 50CC with a 20 inch bar, the biggest I could find at Sears. It works well, better than the Homelite that seized up.

I'm all for polite, civil conversation.

We share a Taste in music, and movies, and we watch Castle, but I was afraid they were going to dwell on the people who were going to kill her over her mothers death. We stopped watching The Mentalist because it got to be a one joke show, red - whats his name. Have you seen 'The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy', the original BBC production, the Hollywood version was a total waste of film. What about the old 'Dr Who' shows? Have you ever watched 'The Red Green' show?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT7_IZPHHb0

[Hjarloprillar]

"My posts will reflect a narrow focus: Integration of theology and physics, via the long disregarded mechanism of applied philosophy. While expecting to find considerable disagreement, I'm only seeking kindred spirits interested in resolving this long-intractable problem."

While not my prime.

Your " Integration of theology and physics' is one fascinating area of thought.
Even fundamental to human sociology.

intractable? i think not. just very difficult.

prill

[Greylorn Ell]

Welcome to the forum, interesting question, if you don't care, why post?

I can see that we share some common interests, but my wife lets me to handle the chainsaw, it's a bit heavy for her, 50CC with a 20 inch bar, the biggest I could find at Sears. It works well, better than the Homelite that seized up.

I'm all for polite, civil conversation.

We share a Taste in music, and movies, and we watch Castle, but I was afraid they were going to dwell on the people who were going to kill her over her mothers death. We stopped watching The Mentalist because it got to be a one joke show, red - whats his name. Have you seen 'The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy', the original BBC production, the Hollywood version was a total waste of film. What about the old 'Dr Who' shows? Have you ever watched 'The Red Green' show?

Thank you for the music! I'm self taught on piano, but have not played in years. PS #14, first movement, and Fur Elise were the only Beethoven compositions I could play. Lovely reminder of bygone times.

Let's kick some opinions around on these forums. No need to be gentle with me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT7_IZPHHb0

I post, and write, because I care, but about larger questions, not about strangers. Thus I cannot imagine why anyone would care about me as an individual. Not even my friends or offspring do.

Women dislike chainsaws, and I'd be stupid to question their judgment. What I meant was not a gal to run the saw, but to work competently and safely around it, handling slash and rotating downed logs for easy cutting. Keeping an eye out for government forest service trucks is also good, and transporting smaller logs is a plus, so long as it doesn't interfere with dinner. When women start wanting to run chainsaws, civilization is doomed. (I use an old Stihl.)

Watching a good TV series is somewhat like following a football team, as I found after the Packers' defeat last Sunday. Trust the writers/coaches to have a good long-term plan, deal with the interim frustrations and disappointments, remember that there are plenty of more aggressive viewers who are sending in their ongoing complaints, and see what happens. Moments of anxiety over little things are just emotions. One should experience these, even if they are artificially induced. FYI "Castle" has remained balanced, and the background theme simmers on a back burner, for now. The Red John focus in "Mentalist" was a tad overdone, but the writers got that, and developed it rather effectively, IMO. They got the message, however you sent it. Telepathically? BTW, I've tried some "Mentalist" techniques in social situations with complete strangers. They work, and are great fun!

I tried reading HGG but could not get past the first chapter. Frivolous fantasies about subjects close to my heart (metaphysics, meaning of existence) are not to my taste. And yes, imaginative tales about real life, crime, romance, death, etc. work fine for me, if the humor reflects the way in which humans deal with the awful. I've come up with my best quips just before surgeries.

The same excellent woman who took me to the last theater filming of "The Road Warrior" also introduced me to Dr. Who, but I could not get BBCA on my cable network back then. Later, when I could receive it, the characters and style had morphed, but in the wrong direction. Never heard of Red, Green.

Thank you for the music! I'm self taught on piano, but have not played in years. PS #14, first movement, and Fur Elise were the only Beethoven compositions I could play. Lovely reminder of bygone times.

Let's kick some opinions around on these forums. No need to be gentle with me.

[Greylorn Ell]

"My posts will reflect a narrow focus: Integration of theology and physics, via the long disregarded mechanism of applied philosophy. While expecting to find considerable disagreement, I'm only seeking kindred spirits interested in resolving this long-intractable problem."

While not my prime.

Your " Integration of theology and physics' is one fascinating area of thought.
Even fundamental to human sociology.

intractable? i think not. just very difficult.

prill

Prill,

I agree with you: not intractable at all, and actually not even difficult. Divergent, though, which makes any presentation of the solutions extremely, frustratingly difficult, perhaps impossible in these times.

And yes, such ideas are fundamental to sociology, although I cannot offer specifics on that because I have no way to experiment with large masses of people. The ideas are also fundamental to psychology, psychiatry, education, philosophy, theology (and eventually religion), biology, evolutionary biology, microbiology, physics, and cosmology-- for starters. Almost forgot about neurosurgery and brain research, and parapsychology.

I hope you'll engage this topic on forums with me.

Greylorn

[Hjarloprillar]

Nathan Fillion as castle is my 'genre' in detective fiction.
In Serenity series he was Mal and she, Summer Glau i had crush on so bad and im 50+.

Since doc and i talked of a piece. I have been slowly posting beethovens 7th, movement 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H-YsX8Ltfc

True
"which makes any presentation of the solutions extremely, frustratingly difficult, perhaps impossible in these times."

press on
Theology and physics is to me . easy.
And it is a joy to me to meet another who asks same questions. Ones i have asked for 4 decades.
myself i live in australian boondocks. marrieed 2 times it just didnt work as i dont argue in sense an arguement in loungeroom.
A woman who is like me a 'loner' maybe...maybe.

Talk to you soon, i will send email addy in pm to you.

prill

And oh. galaxy quest was brilliant im a sf movie and book buff. thousands

When the impossible has been discounted. What remains, no mater how improbable, must have come from hollywood

[Hjarloprillar]

Call me Mathias.

[Up there with consider phlebas]

http://youtu.be/0UwNMBTPFy4

prill

bonus pack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z9TdDCWN7g

[Blaggard]

It's au fait amongst the younger generation generally to feign not caring, but as soon as you bring attention to the fact you don't care of course you clearly do, or you wouldn't even bother saying anything unless questioned on whether you care.

That said good luck with that, seems like a Herculean task to me.

I care possible even more than Sting cares, but maybe a bit less vis a vis the rain forest.

[Greylorn Ell]

It's au fait amongst the younger generation generally to feign not caring, but as soon as you bring attention to the fact you don't care of course you clearly do, or you wouldn't even bother saying anything unless questioned on whether you care.

That said good luck with that, seems like a Herculean task to me.

I care possible even more than Sting cares, but maybe a bit less vis a vis the rain forest.

Alas, another misunderstanding. My "who cares?" comment was meant in the "introduce yourself" context of this section. I.e. who cares about another mostly anonymous blogger on an arcane Brit philosophy thread, of those who even care about philosophy?

Personally, I care enough to have wasted a half century of a life that could have been spent making money, living well, and getting laid, by focusing my unpaid efforts on solving the problems that philosophers should have resolved at least a century ago, if not for their insufferable incompetence.

It is clearly the fault of these intellectual dipsticks that I'm not getting laid.

[thedoc]

Welcome to the forum, interesting question, if you don't care, why post?

I'm all for polite, civil conversation.

I post, and write, because I care, but about larger questions, not about strangers. Thus I cannot imagine why anyone would care about me as an individual. Not even my friends or offspring do.

Thank you for the music! I'm self taught on piano, but have not played in years. PS #14, first movement, and Fur Elise were the only Beethoven compositions I could play. Lovely reminder of bygone times.

Let's kick some opinions around on these forums. No need to be gentle with me.

That was a bit of a dig to see how you would reply. I know that many people care about a lot of different things, as do I, but sometimes I'm just too tired to act on it. Sometimes I'm just too tired to think very hard about some subjects, so I make a joke, just for fun, and to see if I can ruffle anyone's feathers.

To care about anyone you need to know something about them, and then you care or not depending on the responses. Being on a forum is a learning experience and part of that learning curve, is finding out who is worth reading and who is not. There are several in the latter category, and so far I have 2 posters that I consider as good friends, Priller and Henry Quirk, and that is only through exchanges on forums like this one.

Music is one of my interests but few people seem to be interested in posting about it, and the ones who do mostly post about more contemporary music. I took piano Lessons in HS but my teacher didn't pick up on my interest in classical music and really didn't teach me properly for that genre. I was away from a piano since HS till about 3 years ago, our church burned, and another congregation that was disbanding, offered our congregation anything in their Sanctuary for free. There was a Sohmer model 57 baby grand piano and I offered to "store" it, till the new church building was ready, In our living room.

https://picasaweb.google.com/1160195739 ... KDJ2Oiz7QE#

It was in the window to the right of the fireplace in the 4th and 5th pictures. where the chair is in the 4th. It stayed there for 2 years and 6 months when the building was ready. The summer after the Sohmer came, I was looking for a Piano to replace it when it was taken, away and found and bought a Baldwin Model R 5' - 8" Baby grand and had it placed in the other window to the left of the fireplace. We had 2 Baby grands in our living room for almost 2 years, and I got really tired of comments about 'dueling piano's', it seems that was the first thing most people thought of.

I met my wife in a laundromat, and it was a week later that I called her for a date. We went roller skating and then to a motor inn that had a room with a bar where road bands would play. (No we didn't "get a room".) When the band took a break we walked around,, and under a staircase we found a piano and sat down. I hadn't said anything about being able to play. I played the first movement of the 'Moonlight Sonata', and years later she told me that it was at that moment that she decided I was a 'Keeper'.

Final thought for now, I might not always be gentle, but I will try to be civil.

[Greylorn Ell]

Doc,

Thank you for a delightful story. It brought up tears, and that's okay.

Beautiful home! I can picture the dining room table filled with food, wine, and friends. Your low resolution image reminds me of an old friend from whom I learned many ideas and insights about digitization. I've incorporated his ideas into my best understandings of how things work, but he remains convinced that I'm FOS and won't even look at the use I've made of his thoughts. Alas.

I met my (first) wife in a physics lab. After we started dating I'd go to her girls-only dormitory to pick her up. Its lobby had a grand piano, so I'd often sit down to play while waiting, usually some rock & roll themes or a little boogie-woogie that I'd learned from a dorm-mate. Years later when I asked why she had married me, she said that anyone with the balls to play so amateurishly and loudly, in public yet, just might have the stuff to make a successful life. She didn't factor in the countering effect of my willingness to tell authority figures and bosses the truth.

I'm civil about doing so, and gentler these days, but my focus remains upon fundamental problems within current explanations about the beginnings of things. Most everyone already has their mind made up on those subjects, so questioning them usually raises some mental hackles, and rarely incurs friendship. I remain optimistic.

Greylorn

Welcome to the forum, interesting question, if you don't care, why post?

I'm all for polite, civil conversation.

I post, and write, because I care, but about larger questions, not about strangers. Thus I cannot imagine why anyone would care about me as an individual. Not even my friends or offspring do.

Thank you for the music! I'm self taught on piano, but have not played in years. PS #14, first movement, and Fur Elise were the only Beethoven compositions I could play. Lovely reminder of bygone times.

Let's kick some opinions around on these forums. No need to be gentle with me.

That was a bit of a dig to see how you would reply. I know that many people care about a lot of different things, as do I, but sometimes I'm just too tired to act on it. Sometimes I'm just too tired to think very hard about some subjects, so I make a joke, just for fun, and to see if I can ruffle anyone's feathers.

To care about anyone you need to know something about them, and then you care or not depending on the responses. Being on a forum is a learning experience and part of that learning curve, is finding out who is worth reading and who is not. There are several in the latter category, and so far I have 2 posters that I consider as good friends, Priller and Henry Quirk, and that is only through exchanges on forums like this one.

Music is one of my interests but few people seem to be interested in posting about it, and the ones who do mostly post about more contemporary music. I took piano Lessons in HS but my teacher didn't pick up on my interest in classical music and really didn't teach me properly for that genre. I was away from a piano since HS till about 3 years ago, our church burned, and another congregation that was disbanding, offered our congregation anything in their Sanctuary for free. There was a Sohmer model 57 baby grand piano and I offered to "store" it, till the new church building was ready, In our living room.

https://picasaweb.google.com/1160195739 ... KDJ2Oiz7QE#

It was in the window to the right of the fireplace in the 4th and 5th pictures. where the chair is in the 4th. It stayed there for 2 years and 6 months when the building was ready. The summer after the Sohmer came, I was looking for a Piano to replace it when it was taken, away and found and bought a Baldwin Model R 5' - 8" Baby grand and had it placed in the other window to the left of the fireplace. We had 2 Baby grands in our living room for almost 2 years, and I got really tired of comments about 'dueling piano's', it seems that was the first thing most people thought of.

I met my wife in a laundromat, and it was a week later that I called her for a date. We went roller skating and then to a motor inn that had a room with a bar where road bands would play. (No we didn't "get a room".) When the band took a break we walked around,, and under a staircase we found a piano and sat down. I hadn't said anything about being able to play. I played the first movement of the 'Moonlight Sonata', and years later she told me that it was at that moment that she decided I was a 'Keeper'.

Final thought for now, I might not always be gentle, but I will try to be civil.

[thedoc]

Doc,
Thank you for a delightful story. It brought up tears, and that's okay.

I met my (first) wife in a physics lab. After we started dating I'd go to her girls-only dormitory to pick her up. Its lobby had a grand piano, so I'd often sit down to play while waiting, usually some rock & roll themes or a little boogie-woogie that I'd learned from a dorm-mate. Years later when I asked why she had married me, she said that anyone with the balls to play so amateurishly and loudly, in public yet, just might have the stuff to make a successful life. She didn't factor in the countering effect of my willingness to tell authority figures and bosses the truth.

Story alert.

I met my first wife in college, I don't remember exactly where, but we were in orchestra together. We were married and my son was born during our Junior year, her brother started at the same school 2 years later and during our Senior year we never had to hunt for a babysitter, he was always willing to watch the boy. He would take the baby and sit in the lobby of a girls dorm, he got a lot of phone numbers that way, by using my son as bait, but it gave us a break from taking care of the child. It's amazing how a young child brings out the maternal instincts of a college age girl.

[thedoc]

Doc,
Beautiful home! I can picture the dining room table filled with food, wine, and friends.

The layout of the house was done with just that in mind, the living room, Library (above the Living Room), dining area, and kitchen are all open, with the idea that no mater where anyone was, they could be part of the party. BTW I designed the house myself.

[Greylorn Ell]

Doc,

I'm a tad confused about your wife-meeting stories. Did the orchestra practice in an off-campus laudromat?

Greylorn

Doc,
Thank you for a delightful story. It brought up tears, and that's okay.

I met my (first) wife in a physics lab. After we started dating I'd go to her girls-only dormitory to pick her up. Its lobby had a grand piano, so I'd often sit down to play while waiting, usually some rock & roll themes or a little boogie-woogie that I'd learned from a dorm-mate. Years later when I asked why she had married me, she said that anyone with the balls to play so amateurishly and loudly, in public yet, just might have the stuff to make a successful life. She didn't factor in the countering effect of my willingness to tell authority figures and bosses the truth.

Story alert.

I met my first wife in college, I don't remember exactly where, but we were in orchestra together. We were married and my son was born during our Junior year, her brother started at the same school 2 years later and during our Senior year we never had to hunt for a babysitter, he was always willing to watch the boy. He would take the baby and sit in the lobby of a girls dorm, he got a lot of phone numbers that way, by using my son as bait, but it gave us a break from taking care of the child. It's amazing how a young child brings out the maternal instincts of a college age girl.

[thedoc]

Doc,

I'm a tad confused about your wife-meeting stories. Did the orchestra practice in an off-campus laudromat?

Greylorn

Sorry, first wife - college '67, second wife - Laundromat '76.