Evolutionism movie

[Bernard]

Scientific experience tells us that what appears as random often isn't - or what appears as beginning is just a stagein an infinite process

[SpheresOfBalance]

Scientific experience tells us that what appears as random often isn't - or what appears as beginning is just a stagein an infinite process

Which is when you have to seriously doubt the scientists in question. If it were not random, our earth being formed, then it was purposeful, it can only be one of the two. The earth is made of star stuff, remnants of super nova/s. Many people don't understand how utterly awesomely, gigantically, humongous, quite possibly infinite, our universe is. Random simply means that it was not 'meant' to be here, that it could have been over there, or there, or there, or made of different stuff entirely. Look to our small solar system to find, how many earth planets there are. 1 out of 8, possibly 9, or 10, let us not forget Theia, the mars sized planet that collided with earth, to bring about it's moon. Non random means that someone or something mindfully put it here, or over there! It means that it being here was on purpose! That can only mean god, as a godless universe only knows random chance, as I seriously doubt that the big bang 'knew' how to play billiards, of billions of bank/combination shots, so as to yield this planet, here at this particular place, with all these particular constituent elements, such that life would in fact spring forth, now.

Hey look, like I've said before, I'm agnostic, such that I believe it could go either way, there could be a mindful creator that puts things in particular places, i.e., stars, planets, and life, right here where we find them, but it could also be just random chance that started with a non intended random big bang, and chain of events, as in super novas, this particular rock hits that one, careening off in some chance direction, depending on so many variables, and repeating over and over and over again for almost 14 billion years. That is in fact random chance, in a godless universe.

Have you ever created a random number generator in a computer program? There is no pattern to the resulting numbers, that's what random means, no pattern. A pattern implies a pattern maker.

I can go either way! Either the big bang created life randomly, by chance, or a creator created a big bang, and thus life, purposefully, intentionally. But I don't see how one can mix the two.

[thedoc]

Have you ever created a random number generator in a computer program? There is no pattern to the resulting numbers, that's what random means, no pattern. A pattern implies a pattern maker.

I can go either way! Either the big bang created life randomly, by chance, or a creator created a big bang, and thus life, purposefully, intentionally. But I don't see how one can mix the two.

Perhaps the Creator created the universe through the Big Bang to be random, just to see what would happen. We could be the random product of God's idle curiosity. Even though God is supposed to be Omniscient, God can choose to 'not know' and be surprised.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Have you ever created a random number generator in a computer program? There is no pattern to the resulting numbers, that's what random means, no pattern. A pattern implies a pattern maker.

I can go either way! Either the big bang created life randomly, by chance, or a creator created a big bang, and thus life, purposefully, intentionally. But I don't see how one can mix the two.

Perhaps the Creator created the universe through the Big Bang to be random, just to see what would happen. We could be the random product of God's idle curiosity. Even though God is supposed to be Omniscient, God can choose to 'not know' and be surprised.

Cool, I like it!

[mickthinks]

Can you explain the grounds on which the distinction might be made between micro- and macro-evolution?

Using an example from genetics. Take a heterozygous brown eye dominant couple. Their offspring will be: 1 homozygous brown eye, 2 hetero brown eye, and one homozygous recessive blue eye.

2nd generation: 2 homozygous recessive blue eyes. all offspring will have be homo blue eye. The brown eye dominant gene is gone. That’s microevolution, i.e., adaptation in a species. It’s still an eye, nevermind the same species.

Sorry, macroevolution is a fable...

Mike, you have provided an example of what you call micro-evolution*. One example doesn't begin to explain the grounds on which the distinction between micro- and macro-evolution is made.

I think you are way out of your philosophical depth here.


*actually it's not an example of evolution of any kind, it's an exercise in genetics.

[thedoc]

It is claimed that God is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient. Are these qualities limits, in that God cannot be otherwise? Can God choose to be 'not completely' any of these attributes? Is God bound by determinism in that these are the qualities of God that God must be? I see these questions as very much interrelated.

[SpheresOfBalance]

It is claimed that God is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient. Are these qualities limits, in that God cannot be otherwise? Can God choose to be 'not completely' any of these attributes? Is God bound by determinism in that these are the qualities of God that God must be? I see these questions as very much interrelated.

I would say one thing, and that is, that any creator that chose to create something, like that which we know to currently exist, in all it's complexity, would do so because it wants it to exist, obviously. For whatever other purpose, but surely to exist! Thus it would not be in keeping with the creators intention, for its creation, to destroy that which was meant to exist, so as to, in it's way of thinking, which can be quite absurd, increase it's odds of existence. Talk about fear...

...Especially if it's existence was threatened by it's own hands, due to it's irresponsible caretaking of said creation, another slap in the face of creation and creator, and a foolish one at that, for it's own sake, though it seems oblivious.

Talk about mass suicide!!!!!
Like one's never seen before!!!!
There is no one to blame but ourselves, us ignorant!!!!!
And the populations rise!!!!! With all the "plasticine porters with looking-glass ties."

Such that any creation that did so, would be countering the creators intention, and thus make themselves the enemy of said creator, it's antithesis. The anti-creator.

The one's that should agree with the above, should be those that love life and want to live, to learn of, and experience this beautiful, complex universe, down to the smallest bee a buzzin' and the biggest black hole a roamin.' I see favorite drinks in coconut shells or pineapples for 'everyone,' (fully biodegradable, of course).

We can only speculate as to a creators intentions, largely we look at ourselves in the mirror, to project our favorite agenda, and there are far too many dark and twisted agendas out there. The beauty is we each only have to take a serious look at ourselves in the mirror to create our own full, and lasting life, of happiness, worth, and longevity.

[Bernard]

There is just the one creator or none? It's a weird view. It's also a weird view that we are the one happy accident - or one of an exceptional and rare lot in which a recipe of matter and energy randomly manifest itself to became conscious and aware, aye... alive! My friend, life is the rule not the exception. Nothing out there is anything but the result of living things, and its living things that create living things. The universe creates us like our bodies create cells or atoms - just the mere act of being creates more beings. Randomness is just a view of the way in which things happen which we cant understand. Chaotic perception does not mean chaos is reality. Life is reality.


Reality is life.

Scientific experience tells us that what appears as random often isn't - or what appears as beginning is just a stagein an infinite process

Which is when you have to seriously doubt the scientists in question. If it were not random, our earth being formed, then it was purposeful, it can only be one of the two. The earth is made of star stuff, remnants of super nova/s. Many people don't understand how utterly awesomely, gigantically, humongous, quite possibly infinite, our universe is. Random simply means that it was not 'meant' to be here, that it could have been over there, or there, or there, or made of different stuff entirely. Look to our small solar system to find, how many earth planets there are. 1 out of 8, possibly 9, or 10, let us not forget Theia, the mars sized planet that collided with earth, to bring about it's moon. Non random means that someone or something mindfully put it here, or over there! It means that it being here was on purpose! That can only mean god, as a godless universe only knows random chance, as I seriously doubt that the big bang 'knew' how to play billiards, of billions of bank/combination shots, so as to yield this planet, here at this particular place, with all these particular constituent elements, such that life would in fact spring forth, now.

Hey look, like I've said before, I'm agnostic, such that I believe it could go either way, there could be a mindful creator that puts things in particular places, i.e., stars, planets, and life, right here where we find them, but it could also be just random chance that started with a non intended random big bang, and chain of events, as in super novas, this particular rock hits that one, careening off in some chance direction, depending on so many variables, and repeating over and over and over again for almost 14 billion years. That is in fact random chance, in a godless universe.

Have you ever created a random number generator in a computer program? There is no pattern to the resulting numbers, that's what random means, no pattern. A pattern implies a pattern maker.

I can go either way! Either the big bang created life randomly, by chance, or a creator created a big bang, and thus life, purposefully, intentionally. But I don't see how one can mix the two.

[SpheresOfBalance]

There is just the one creator or none? It's a weird view. It's also a weird view that we are the one happy accident - or one of an exceptional and rare lot in which a recipe of matter and energy randomly manifest itself to became conscious and aware, aye... alive! My friend, life is the rule not the exception. Nothing out there is anything but the result of living things, and its living things that create living things. The universe creates us like our bodies create cells or atoms - just the mere act of being creates more beings. Randomness is just a view of the way in which things happen which we cant understand. Chaotic perception does not mean chaos is reality. Life is reality.


Reality is life.
Yes, I agree, that we are all "Boxed" in "our own" way of thinking. We can only see as far as our own belief, proof, or so called truth allows. And that like Socrates, 'we only actually know that we know nothing.' You, like I and others, paint with the brush of possibility. And it is; possible that is! Then which one of us, can lend to the probabilities, with any accuracy of course? I do know one thing, and that is that, this life is a beautiful miracle, that should be appreciated, every day in every way, in how we conduct ourselves, not just towards each other, but also with respect to that which supports our existence, our continuance, without the mother, there can be no children.

But of course we'll disagree Bernard, we're only proposing possibilities out loud!

And so you're a creationist, so be it!

Scientific experience tells us that what appears as random often isn't - or what appears as beginning is just a stagein an infinite process

Which is when you have to seriously doubt the scientists in question. If it were not random, our earth being formed, then it was purposeful, it can only be one of the two. The earth is made of star stuff, remnants of super nova/s. Many people don't understand how utterly awesomely, gigantically, humongous, quite possibly infinite, our universe is. Random simply means that it was not 'meant' to be here, that it could have been over there, or there, or there, or made of different stuff entirely. Look to our small solar system to find, how many earth planets there are. 1 out of 8, possibly 9, or 10, let us not forget Theia, the mars sized planet that collided with earth, to bring about it's moon. Non random means that someone or something mindfully put it here, or over there! It means that it being here was on purpose! That can only mean god, as a godless universe only knows random chance, as I seriously doubt that the big bang 'knew' how to play billiards, of billions of bank/combination shots, so as to yield this planet, here at this particular place, with all these particular constituent elements, such that life would in fact spring forth, now.

Hey look, like I've said before, I'm agnostic, such that I believe it could go either way, there could be a mindful creator that puts things in particular places, i.e., stars, planets, and life, right here where we find them, but it could also be just random chance that started with a non intended random big bang, and chain of events, as in super novas, this particular rock hits that one, careening off in some chance direction, depending on so many variables, and repeating over and over and over again for almost 14 billion years. That is in fact random chance, in a godless universe.

Have you ever created a random number generator in a computer program? There is no pattern to the resulting numbers, that's what random means, no pattern. A pattern implies a pattern maker.

I can go either way! Either the big bang created life randomly, by chance, or a creator created a big bang, and thus life, purposefully, intentionally. But I don't see how one can mix the two.

[bobevenson]

our universe is quite possibly infinite

According to whom, certainly not any astrophysicists.

[Bernard]

But of course we'll disagree Bernard, we're only proposing possibilities out loud!

And so you're a creationist, so be it!

A creationist is in very much the same boat as a Darwinian evolutionist. Both are pinned to an over arching single principle which determines the beginning and end of things. But there is no beginning or end to life. I am only a creationist in so far as I see that living things create.

[SpheresOfBalance]

But of course we'll disagree Bernard, we're only proposing possibilities out loud!

And so you're a creationist, so be it!

A creationist is in very much the same boat as a Darwinian evolutionist. Both are pinned to an over arching single principle which determines the beginning and end of things. But there is no beginning or end to life. I am only a creationist in so far as I see that living things create.

So what to do with the ones that destroy?

[Bernard]

What needs to be done with them?

[SpheresOfBalance]

Do you think that you'd know the answer of such a question, if you were surprised with one breaking down your back door?