omnideism

[martinstearn]

Omnideism is the thesitic philosophy that states that there is neither a creator nor a creation because God and matter and energy are one and the same. Omnideism is a logical and rational and explanation for the existence of God. Since the law of conservation states that matter and energy can be neither created or destroyed and by definition God is infinite if God exists then God must exist as some form of matter and energy and therefore He can only exist if He exists as all forms of matter and energy. As a form of matter and energy God, logically, could not have created that of which he is made. If God is a separate entity of matter and energy then His existence is superflous. Therefore God = Matter and Energy. Every quark, positron, photon, plasma, EVERYTHING is God. Everything is a form of God.

Human beings are the only form of God, to our present knowledge, that is capable of being aware of their Godness and the Godness of everything in the Cosmos, and therefore capable of perfecting their Godness. The goal of an Omnideist is to strive to perfect their Godness.

For anybody who is interested in this topic I have written a thesis which expands on this short explanation of Omnideism and will gladly forward it to you. It is a theistic philosophy I have been specifically developing for about 3 years and invite any dialogue to help me clarify my views.

[jackles]

yeah omnideism sounds right for the event.so god is the event .so observer and event are one in the same thing.so presentation and presenter are fuzzy.

[Ned]

Query: why call it 'God'?

If everything is one, then why give it a separate name?

Just call it 'Is' or 'One' or the 'Universe'.

Once you use the 'G' word, all hell breaks loose and everything is up for grabs.

My suggestion: keep it simple and stick to what we know for sure.

[aiddon]

Omnideism is the thesitic philosophy that states that there is neither a creator nor a creation because God and matter and energy are one and the same. Omnideism is a logical and rational and explanation for the existence of God. Since the law of conservation states that matter and energy can be neither created or destroyed and by definition God is infinite if God exists then God must exist as some form of matter and energy and therefore He can only exist if He exists as all forms of matter and energy. As a form of matter and energy God, logically, could not have created that of which he is made. If God is a separate entity of matter and energy then His existence is superflous. Therefore God = Matter and Energy. Every quark, positron, photon, plasma, EVERYTHING is God. Everything is a form of God.

Human beings are the only form of God, to our present knowledge, that is capable of being aware of their Godness and the Godness of everything in the Cosmos, and therefore capable of perfecting their Godness. The goal of an Omnideist is to strive to perfect their Godness.

For anybody who is interested in this topic I have written a thesis which expands on this short explanation of Omnideism and will gladly forward it to you. It is a theistic philosophy I have been specifically developing for about 3 years and invite any dialogue to help me clarify my views.

You're somehow posing this as a revolutionary idea. The immanence of God, that he is present in all material things, is a very ancient concept. Certain branches of Buddhism have believd in this for many centuries.

[thedoc]

Correct me if I am wrong but it seems that as Omnideism saying God is all matter and energy, and did not exist before the universe in a form that was not matter and energy? If so Omnideism is proclaiming that god created himself, and concurrently the Universe, out of non-existence.

[jackles]

happening happened but then never happen.because happened is an illusion to the cause of happening.so the cause causes happening and is everything in happening but that happening is illusion.hope youve got that.so happen is real fiction.

[uwot]

It's an interesting idea martinstearn, but it does look as though you have spent 3 years discovering pantheism. What is unique about your version?

[martinstearn]

Omnideism is not pantheism. Pantheism does not even suggest God is everything. Omnideism says if God exists then God is everything - every piece of cosmic dust including all dark matter, every piece of dust in the house, every form of life EVERYTHING.
The law of conservation states matter and energy can be neither created nor destroyed. God by definition is infinite -" always was and always will be". If God exists He must be some form of matter and energy. If God was formed by matter and energy then God would be superfluous and moot. God could not create matter and energy because God could not create that of which he was made. Therefore if God exists God and matter&energy are the same.

[martinstearn]

The existence of God should not be a matter of belief. Either God exists or not. At this time there is no rational nor logical nor scientific explanation for the formation of the singularity that preceded the big bang. The existence of God as all matter and energy fills that void as well as anything anybody else has offered. If God does not exist Omnideism doesn't matter. But if God does exist He can only exist omnideistically.

[martinstearn]

Unlike Buddhism which says God is present in everything Omnideism states God IS everything. Christians believe Jesus was God in the flesh. Omnideism also says Jesus was God in the flesh but also says all other human beings are God in the flesh. The difference between Jesus and all other humans (arguably one could include Muhammad, Mary, Job, Buddha and Mother Theresa and Ghandi with Jesus) is that Jesus perfected His Godness by recognizing first his own Godness and then the Godness of everything in the cosmos and then acted and thought in ways to perfect the cosmos and therefore his own Godness.

[aiddon]

Unlike Buddhism which says God is present in everything Omnideism states God IS everything.

There is evil in the world. Therefore God is evil?

You're right, omnitheism isn't pantheism...it's closer to atheism.

[uwot]

At this time there is no rational nor logical nor scientific explanation for the formation of the singularity that preceded the big bang.

Ah! Now I get it. If god was once a Big Bang singularity, she may well have been everywhere and known everything, but as a singularity, that is nowhere and nothing. Out of boredom she blew herself to bits; Hey presto, universe!

[Kuznetzova]

Since the law of conservation states that matter and energy can be neither created or destroyed and by definition God is infinite if God exists then God must exist as some form of matter and energy and therefore He can only exist if He exists as all forms of matter and energy.

You have a wacky idea of conservation laws in physics. What is "Energy"? Your personal ideas are probably taken from movies and television shows.

[aiddon]

Since the law of conservation states that matter and energy can be neither created or destroyed and by definition God is infinite if God exists then God must exist as some form of matter and energy and therefore He can only exist if He exists as all forms of matter and energy.

You have a wacky idea of conservation laws in physics. What is "Energy"? Your personal ideas are probably taken from movies and television shows.

Unfortunately, K, alot of philosopnhy in this forum is taken from movies and television shows. I can count on one hand the contributors that have obviously read philosophy. Best not to engage those that haven't.

[3Sum]

Hmm, I had a completely different idea of what "omnideism" will be when I read the title. I thought it will state that there are multiple beings similar to gods and that they are the ones responsible for "creating" the universe but don't care about it/intervene and might not even exist anymore. Although I find to to be more or less compatible with reality unlike some theistic gods, it's practically useless.

It makes more sense than theism or deism, though. I mean, you don't just look at something majestic as New York and say - this was all designed by one person. The more magnificent and huge something is, it probably has more and more capable designers. So, something as universe would probably require a lot of designers.

Not that I find this convincing, just turning to thought processes of intelligent design against them

martinstearn that's just ridiculous. The word "god" by that definition is used synonymous with the word "everything". When you say the word god, most people get an idea of a highly intelligent and powerful supernatural being which created everything. So you're just causing cognitive dissonance when you try to ascribe a completely new meaning to the word "god". It's just verbal manipulation, a lame attempt at sneaking the word "god" and the meaning it carries with it into real, existing world by redefining it for its definition to fit the real world but still attempting to preserve its original meaning and connotations. By your definiton, my anus is a form of god's existence. The huge, liquid shit I took yesterday after Mexican is a form of god's existence. And so is the little birdy happily chirping on the wooden branch... until my cat broke its neck and ate it... wait... does it mean that my cat killed a form of god's existence?

F.e. reminds me of the time my father told me dragons exist. Ofc, when I think of a dragon, I think of THIS: http://en.gtwallpaper.com/fondecran/dra ... gon_04.jpg

But what was he actually speaking of? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aMbkFfVYnRU/T ... on%2B2.jpg

Just imagine my disappointment...