The universe expands ...

[SpheresOfBalance]

If there is more 'outside' the universe, once known, does it become part of the universe? Would the fact of a multiverse preclude it being understood as a universe? You know, 'one' in terms of everything.

I don't see it as that hard to understand.

You could understand it this way but then you'd be missing the exact metaphysical concept of a multiverse as opposed to a universe.

Do you mind if we use this definition?

"The Universe is commonly defined as the totality of existence, including planets, stars, galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space, and all matter and energy."

My point is: if multiverse, then 'all that exists.' I see that universe becomes archaic with the truth of multiverse. Like the current universe contains galaxies, so the multiverse contains all other universes, that can be seen as galaxies, thus the multiverse is in fact the 'one' (uni) largest container of things that can ever be in existence. By whatever name and function, matters not, of course! We don't call the universe the Multi-Galaxy do we?

[SpheresOfBalance]

Care to think more before knocking my language?

My apologies. Can you rephrase what you said into words I can parse a meaning from. If not I'll take it as another example of your confusion about how language and meaning works.
AGAIN, YOU PERSIST! Maybe it's you with confusion.

But of course the fact that your tired old bit about metaphysics, like everything else, is dated.

How would you know given you know nothing?

So you think I know nothing, Thanks! I can always count on you to start the childish crap. No need for anyone to wonder why we often digress. This time it was you taking a pot shot at my language, I'll just call you 'grudge' from now on. And I quote:

Care to speak coherent English? What's your point?

When shall you grow up?

[Godfree]

Godfree, I don't except that the universe is infinite, that was one of the points you were arguing for. And no, black holes don't make hydrogen, or go bang, they radiate their energy slowly.

James ,, I accept that the universe if infinite ,
also , that the big bang never happened , so therefore ,
there must be another explanation as to where did all the Hydrogen come from ,
assuming that I am correct and that there was no big bang ,
what in your opinion would be the next most likely cause of the Hydrogen
if universes don't go bang , then something must ,,??
do you imagine the universe to be in a repeating cycle ,
or is this a one off , just for us ,, made by god ,,,wank wank

[Arising_uk]

AGAIN, YOU PERSIST! Maybe it's you with confusion.

I'm not confused about what you said I just don't understand a word of it. Given it was meant to be a comment upon what I said I just wondered if you could get you meaning across in another way as I don't have a clue what you were talking about?

So you think I know nothing, Thanks! I can always count on you to start the childish crap. No need for anyone to wonder why we often digress. ...[.quote]Just quoting you. Are you now saying that you've changed your mind about this and now know that you know at least something?

This time it was you taking a pot shot at my language, I'll just call you 'grudge' from now on. ...
And I quote:

Care to speak coherent English? What's your point?

When shall you grow up?

See my apology? Last time I checked you said that was the sign of a good man.

[SpheresOfBalance]

AGAIN, YOU PERSIST! Maybe it's you with confusion.

I'm not confused about what you said I just don't understand a word of it. Given it was meant to be a comment upon what I said I just wondered if you could get you meaning across in another way as I don't have a clue what you were talking about?

That's fine Arising, but you know I'm volatile when someone insults me, so why do you forever try and push my buttons?

So you think I know nothing, Thanks! I can always count on you to start the childish crap. No need for anyone to wonder why we often digress. ...

Just quoting you. Are you now saying that you've changed your mind about this and now know that you know at least something?

I never said I didn't, as I've explained before, that you either forgot or missed, I have only quoted Socrates: 'I only know that I know nothing' as a reminder to stay grounded, as one can never know when their beliefs of truths are to be shown otherwise. The problem comes when one is so attached that they never want to let go. So they must be reminded of what he said. As I see that it is, in keeping with humility.

This time it was you taking a pot shot at my language, I'll just call you 'grudge' from now on. ...
And I quote:

Care to speak coherent English? What's your point?

When shall you grow up?

See my apology? Last time I checked you said that was the sign of a good man.

I see that it is, but in light of the fact that you apologized then continued to abuse me, by saying, and I quote: "If not I'll take it as another example of your confusion about how language and meaning works," such that I felt I should remind you, which of us threw the first punch, that being you!

I know you have the capability of always being cordial, and likewise you're equally capable of being sarcastically nasty. I see that my initial response to what you had said on topic, was not demeaning to your person what-so-ever, so I'm appalled that you seem to feel you can't treat me in kind, instead of apparently holding a grudge and starting in on me. As that is what it surely seems to me, as I have not offended you since my return a few days ago, after a 2 month + absence. What, not enough time for you to forgive and forget? Or do you just enjoy it?

[Hjarloprillar]

So this thread is now a personal 'psychoanalysis' of SOB and Arising.

shame arising..shame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs

[SpheresOfBalance]

So this thread is now a personal 'psychoanalysis' of SOB and Arising.

shame arising..shame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs

Hello Prill, I see you're still fascinated with cartoons of little girls, at the ripe old age of 50 plus, I wonder what a psychologist would say about such things, what do you think?

But despite your venom, I'm glad you're taking a lickin' and still seem to remain tickin'.

[Godfree]

So this thread is now a personal 'psychoanalysis' of SOB and Arising.

shame arising..shame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs

Hello Prill, I see you're still fascinated with cartoons of little girls, at the ripe old age of 50 plus, I wonder what a psychologist would say about such things, what do you think?

But despite your venom, I'm glad you're taking a lickin' and still seem to remain tickin'.

You guys seem to get something out of it , but the rest of us find it incredibly boring , reading back over the last page there is almost no content , apart from a little in the top post and a wee bit from me , it's just critique of each other , the subject hardly ever comes up anymore , you could do this in a private message and address the topics in the forums ,,????

[thedoc]

So this thread is now a personal 'psychoanalysis' of SOB and Arising.

shame arising..shame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs

Hello Prill, I see you're still fascinated with cartoons of little girls, at the ripe old age of 50 plus, I wonder what a psychologist would say about such things, what do you think?

But despite your venom, I'm glad you're taking a lickin' and still seem to remain tickin'.

You guys seem to get something out of it , but the rest of us find it incredibly boring , reading back over the last page there is almost no content , apart from a little in the top post and a wee bit from me , it's just critique of each other , the subject hardly ever comes up anymore , you could do this in a private message and address the topics in the forums ,,????

But if they did it on PM's there wouldn't be all this pathetically amusing drivel from the peanut gallery.

[Godfree]

But despite your venom, I'm glad you're taking a lickin' and still seem to remain tickin'.[/quote]

You guys seem to get something out of it , but the rest of us find it incredibly boring , reading back over the last page there is almost no content , apart from a little in the top post and a wee bit from me , it's just critique of each other , the subject hardly ever comes up anymore , you could do this in a private message and address the topics in the forums ,,????[/quote]

But if they did it on PM's there wouldn't be all this pathetically amusing drivel from the peanut gallery.[/quote]

Well it kills the thread for me , if their aim is to drive people away from This site , then they are doing a good job , personally , I can't even be bothered making a comment , when they set to with this ," but you said I said and I didn't mean what you said I said ", go fucking pull yourselves somewhere else please ,,!!!!

[SpheresOfBalance]

But despite your venom, I'm glad you're taking a lickin' and still seem to remain tickin'.

You guys seem to get something out of it , but the rest of us find it incredibly boring , reading back over the last page there is almost no content , apart from a little in the top post and a wee bit from me , it's just critique of each other , the subject hardly ever comes up anymore , you could do this in a private message and address the topics in the forums ,,????

But if they did it on PM's there wouldn't be all this pathetically amusing drivel from the peanut gallery.

Well it kills the thread for me , if their aim is to drive people away from This site , then they are doing a good job , personally , I can't even be bothered making a comment , when they set to with this ," but you said I said and I didn't mean what you said I said ", go fucking pull yourselves somewhere else please ,,!!!!

So tell the truth, are you pissed because someone is using your thread for humanistic sidebars, which are other than the topic, or because no one is using your thread for it's topic. Don't blame us that no one seems to find the threads topic interesting enough to post. Plus I've seen you sidebar several threads, and someone with as much class as I, never was disrespectful towards you for it, like you've been towards me, go figure! I guess some people would rather kick someone in the teeth, instead of being polite!

So let's put this into perspective, before I returned after a 2+ month absence and responded in this thread on November 18 2013, the last post was by Godfree on October 13 2013. So that's over a month that it lay dormant. What the hell are you bitching about, I've only stirred shit up, and who knows maybe someone shall see your thread, because my posts bumped it to the top of the queue, and respond to your ridiculous notions that can't be proven one way or the other, you should be thankful.

Funny how anger and frustration leak through the cracks in ones head! Or is that personality?

And let the human robot please step forward...

"Happy Thanksgiving to all Americans, or those that celebrate it!"
"And PEACE be with you all"

[thedoc]

, but the rest of us find it incredibly boring ,

Then why are you posting here?

[Hjarloprillar]

quote
Well it kills the thread for me , if their aim is to drive people away from This site , then they are doing a good job , personally , I can't even be bothered making a comment ,,,!!!!
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Try to 'not comment a bit harder' its not working so far.

As to on topic to thread.

What is a universe. and where does it expand too?
As we have no idea on either question.. then "the universe expands is open box"

inside is a dead/alive cat
"poor Mr Wiggums , i wondered where you went."

[Hjarloprillar]

Hello Prill, I see you're still fascinated with cartoons of little girls, at the ripe old age of 50 plus, I wonder what a psychologist would say about such things, what do you think?
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What do i think?

My daughter the psychologist said..
"That you have NEVER [aside from unfortunate drunken experience with Aus homeland regarding bombs.]
[been talked to by system]
about 'cartoons of little girls.' nothing
says a lot.

It 'suggests' of SOB
suggests YOU like them .. but are too vapid to stand up and say it. You are the ped dude. Sasha says all topics which we see in ourselves are vilified publicly. Much as i think psychologists are full off it.. i agree on this

studio ghibli and 'spirited away' [ avatar pic] are a fav.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_Ghibli

[SpheresOfBalance]

Hello Prill, I see you're still fascinated with cartoons of little girls, at the ripe old age of 50 plus, I wonder what a psychologist would say about such things, what do you think?
----------
What do i think?

My daughter the psychologist said..
"That you have NEVER [aside from unfortunate drunken experience with Aus homeland regarding bombs.]
[been talked to by system]
about 'cartoons of little girls.' nothing
says a lot.

It 'suggests' of SOB
suggests YOU like them .. but are too vapid to stand up and say it. You are the ped dude. Sasha says all topics which we see in ourselves are vilified publicly. Much as i think psychologists are full off it.. i agree on this

studio ghibli and 'spirited away' [ avatar pic] are a fav.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_Ghibli

Sure all little ones are as cute as buttons, and I was into cartoons and anime once, but I seem to have outgrown it. Oh I wish I still contained the wonder of a little one. Ignorance seems to be bliss indeed. The more I get older, the more I don't wanna know, because things, they are a runnin' out! And when they finally do...

Yep much more fun when I was an innocent one!
Wide eyes, soaking up every second, as if it was eternity...
An immortal, I once was...