Are Guns the Problem?

[henry quirk]

"does it anger you the idea that a burgler might have a gun but you wouldn't(?)

Nope. It scares me some schmuck might kill my kid while I stand helpless to stop him.

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"find some courage , get rid of the guns"

When human nature changes, I’ll be glad to beat my sword into a plow.

Till then: I'd be stupid to give up my coach gun just 'cause some whiner is offended by 'gun'.

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"if a kid shows up with an automatic rifle and outguns you"

HA!

It's not the firing speed (or the round capacity) that makes a gun effective: it's the skill and willingness of the shooter.

I'm betting I'm better with my coach gun (two shells, two barrels, two triggers) than some doofus with an auto-gun.

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"You guys have no credible logic to this argument"

Even if this is the case (and, I do not concede that it is): so what?

I got my gun and shells...you want me disarmed so bad, come and take it.

Otherwise: all you got is smoke blowin' out your keister.

[thedoc]

If I were to choose a close combat weapon, it would be something much quieter. Crossbow, Knife, Crowbar (Hi Henry) Something that would not be heard and not raise as many questions from the neighbors. I believe I could find an out-of-the-way place to dig a hole.

[henry quirk]

Knife: short blade, single edge...you don't wanna poke, you wanna slice.

A box cutter works in a pinch.

Less messy (but not as satisfying): baseball bat (or, crowbar).

[Arising_uk]

If I were to choose a close combat weapon, it would be something much quieter. Crossbow, Knife, Crowbar (Hi Henry) Something that would not be heard and not raise as many questions from the neighbors. I believe I could find an out-of-the-way place to dig a hole.

This is the mentality of the prospective murderer not the self-defendant.

[Arising_uk]

Less messy (but not as satisfying) ...

The mentality of the sadist and psychopath.

[henry quirk]

Works for me...

[bobevenson]

Again, guns are not the problem, never were and never will be.

[Ginkgo]

Again, guns are not the problem, never were and never will be.

That's not proof. Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

[thedoc]

If I were to choose a close combat weapon, it would be something much quieter. Crossbow, Knife, Crowbar (Hi Henry) Something that would not be heard and not raise as many questions from the neighbors. I believe I could find an out-of-the-way place to dig a hole.

This is the mentality of the prospective murderer not the self-defendant.

Actually it was 'defense of a third party', and I did learn from it.

[bobevenson]

Again, guns are not the problem, never were and never will be.

That's not proof. Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

Please go back to the start of this thread and read Walter Williams' article.

[Ginkgo]

Again, guns are not the problem, never were and never will be.

That's not proof. Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

Please go back to the start of this thread and read Walter Williams' article.

Ah, yes. I do recall I commented along the lines that it is hard to get people to conform to a particular moral coder of behaviour. I think it is all very well for Williams to claim that we need some, "good old fashion vales", but how do you get people to change their moral outlook? I don't think you can.

[bobevenson]

Ah, yes. I do recall I commented along the lines that it is hard to get people to conform to a particular moral coder of behaviour. I think it is all very well for Williams to claim that we need some, "good old fashion vales", but how do you get people to change their moral outlook? I don't think you can.

Well, first of all, you get rid of the leftist educational apparatus that inculcates students with the idea that there are no absolute moral values, starting with completely getting the government out of education (including the abolishment of public schools) and eliminating the tax-exempt status of any school or university. Secondly, you get rid of the "government owes me something" mentality of millions of people that is based on taking money from one person and giving it to another, a government crime that would land an ordinary citizen in jail if he tried to do it. How's that for starters, my friend?

[Arising_uk]

Actually it was 'defense of a third party', and I did learn from it.

Pardon? Why would a self-defendant worry about the neighbours hearing them defending themselves and raising questions? Why would they wish to secretly bury their opponent?

[Felasco]

Bob, in your opinion is there any limit to the weapons U.S. citizens have a right to own?

Often it's said we need the 2nd Amendment to protect us from the government. Well ok, sounds good so far, but um...

The U.S. government has the most powerful military forces in the history of the world.

Does this fact indicate to you that there should be no limit on what weapons are available to the general public?

[bobevenson]

Bob, in your opinion is there any limit to the weapons U.S. citizens have a right to own?

Often it's said we need the 2nd Amendment to protect us from the government. Well ok, sounds good so far, but um...

The U.S. government has the most powerful military forces in the history of the world.

Does this fact indicate to you that there should be no limit on what weapons are available to the general public?

Of course there needs to be reasonable limits based on the highly-destructive nature of various ordnance. For instance, you have to regulate or prohibit the possession of such things as nitroglycerine, artillery or bombs, but we are not talking about this kind of thing, we are talking about guns, of which there are 300 million of them now in the possession of American citizens, and restricting their sale does not prevent a single criminal from getting his hands on them.