The universe expands ...

[jackles]

Religion is in side your brain.its inside every observers brain.its in side and out side.its the brain and heart its man and women.its nonlocality.its consciousness your consciousness.

[Godfree]

Religion is in side your brain.its inside every observers brain.its in side and out side.its the brain and heart its man and women.its nonlocality.its consciousness your consciousness.

Religion is a man made invention , we invented it , we can delete it ,
religion is an ignorant explanation of how we came to be ,
a pathetic story based on Astrology from the ancient beliefs of Budha ,
religion is not in my brain , religion is the ignorance my brain rejects ,
religion is philosophy for dummies ,
a nice little story to appease the stupid ,
so I would conclude ,
those who believe religion ,
must be stupid ,,!!!

[jackles]

Thats just your brains reaction to fact.fiction which is your tempary brain.dislikes its own consciouness or conscience what there is of it.

[Godfree]

Thats just your brains reaction to fact.fiction which is your tempary brain.dislikes its own consciouness or conscience what there is of it.

The facts of the matter ,
the proof for the existence of god ,,,,ZERO ,
the proof for evolution ,,,a mountain of irrefutable proof is now supporting evolution ,
creation ,,ZERO PROOF , as much as they try and con us in to this bbt , it's just nonsense ,
logic and the evidence suggest a infinite universe that was never created ,
so just to clarify for your limited understanding ,
there was no beginning , there will be no end ,
the universe was not created , god does not exist ,
and when you die , thats it lights out , end of your consciousness ,,,!!!

[thedoc]

Thats just your brains reaction to fact.fiction which is your tempary brain.dislikes its own consciouness or conscience what there is of it.

The facts of the matter ,
the proof for the existence of God ,,,,ZERO ,
the proof for evolution ,,,a mountain of irrefutable proof is now supporting evolution ,
creation ,,ZERO PROOF , as much as they try and con us in to this BBT, it's just nonsense ,
logic and the evidence suggest a infinite universe that was never created ,
so just to clarify for your limited understanding ,
there was no beginning , there will be no end ,
the universe was not created , God does not exist ,
and when you die , that's it lights out , end of your consciousness ,,,!!!

Absence of proof, is not proof of absence.

Creation and Evolution are not mutually exclusive.

Creationists and Young Earth'r's speak for only a very small percentage of those who call themselves Christian.

Unless you claim to be posting from beyond the grave, I don't believe you can say what happens after death.

[Arising_uk]

The Known Universe is Finite ,
in every way ,
our understanding of it ,
how big we can see ,
how much we can prove ,
The Universe is Infinite ,
to limit our discussions to the known universe ,
is to pretend that we are incapable of any meaningful conclusions or debates ,
its a bit of an insult , and while you may see yourself in that light ,,??

Actually spot-on as I see myself in the light of philosophy now and now we've given-up the kind of pointless metaphysics you are indulging in, especially when it's philosophically contradictory and meaningless, e.g. what you've just written above.

I don't see myself as being limited to what I am told is real , by the main stream consensus ,
the movement you say , do you have any proof that the movement is real ,,???
not just a theory , any actual facts that prove the universe is expanding ,
we have the red shift , olbers paradox , the CBR ,
none of these are proof , they are theories , and not very good ones ,
I have found red and dead galaxies , that are just one example of facts that don't fit the theory ,

'You' have found fuck all. Cosmologists have found such things, you've just goggled to find things to suit your religion/science conspiracy.

If you think the theories are not very good ones then your path is clear, become an astrophysicist or cosmologist and prove them wrong. As its exactly because of epistemology that we don't do metaphysics they way you are attempting anymore, as the newtonians made a, so far, unassailable case against it.

so as usual they re-invent science to make the new data fit the bbt ,

Of course!! Thats what a theory is there for, to be amended in the light of new data. If it becomes unfittable then the theory will have to be dropped. What they are doing is Science not reinventing it.

"SOMEHOW" these galaxies have raced through their life cycle in just 3 billion years ,
our earths older than that ,
so when they come up with this somehow ,
will people just accept it because they said so , because it fits the theory and Einsteins maths prove it ,,???

What are you talking about?

I'm picking people are less likely to see through the political spin of the modern era ,

You live in a stoner world, try becoming an astrophysicist and actually proving your ideas.

than they are the ancient spin of religion ,
so we will be spinning in it for centuries ,
just think of it like religion ,
it is easy now to look back at religion as a joke , for me any way ,,,!!!!

Thats because you live in a nice safe world. Made so by these scientists that you decry.

I think we will look back at the nearly 100 year old bbt ,
as a joke to , but most of you are being very reluctant ,
most of you are pretty slow on the uptake ...

More pointless speculation. If the theory is to be abandoned it won't be by the likes of you.

[Godfree]

it is easy now to look back at religion as a joke , for me any way ,,,!!!![/quote]Thats because you live in a nice safe world. Made so by these scientists that you decry.

I think we will look back at the nearly 100 year old bbt ,
as a joke to , but most of you are being very reluctant ,
most of you are pretty slow on the uptake ...

More pointless speculation. If the theory is to be abandoned it won't be by the likes of you.[/quote]

I dis-agree , I think my contribution will be significant ,
you don't know how many sites and for how many years I have been doing this ,
I realized my posting had come of age when I googled a question and ,
one of the options brought up was a url to one of my own posts on ,Astronomy.org ,
I have written to Human Rights International ,
I have posted on many sites both large and small , with about 4 or 5 different user names ,
such as, littlebang , one of my favourites ,
why you would speculate about such a thing as my contribution ,,??
when you clearly have no idea ,,!!! ,
what was that about pointless speculation again ,,???

[Arising_uk]

...
what was that about pointless speculation again ,,???

The interweeb is not authoritative Cosmology nor Astrophysics.

You clearly fail to understand what the natural philosophers achieved in Philosophy with respect to epistemology and the relations of meaning, truth, explanation and the external world. Become a cosmologist or astrophysicist physicist if you wish to prove your ideas. Until then you are doing what philosophy now has abandoned as pointless speculation or a certain kind of metaphysics but still common in the babel that is the interweeb.

[Godfree]

...
what was that about pointless speculation again ,,???

The interweeb is not authoritative Cosmology nor Astrophysics.

You clearly fail to understand what the natural philosophers achieved in Philosophy with respect to epistemology and the relations of meaning, truth, explanation and the external world. Become a cosmologist or astrophysicist physicist if you wish to prove your ideas. Until then you are doing what philosophy now has abandoned as pointless speculation or a certain kind of metaphysics but still common in the babel that is the interweeb.

Now I can make it very simple for you mate ,
what they have achieved to date with their Arising approved methods ,,???
has failed ,,they have failed to address and reveal reality in any real or meaningful way ,
what they have done is muddy the waters , deliberately , there is no truth any more ,
so we scientists can't say religion is insane ,
we have to sit here surrounded by ignorance so the fools can feel ok about their ignorance,
Atheism is not tolerated because it attempts to get real , and society can't handle that ,,!!!
You clearly fail to understand that they failed , or we wouldn't still be in this bull shit now ,
if they had done their job we would be embracing reality instead of this pile of crap called christianity ,
your natural philosophers failed to reveal the truth ,
and instead left us with this religious nonsense ,
I will show them respect when they find some balls and get real ,,,!!!

[attofishpi]

Now I can make it very simple for you mate ,
what they have achieved to date with their Arising approved methods ,,???
has failed ,,they have failed to address and reveal reality in any real or meaningful way ,
what they have done is muddy the waters , deliberately , there is no truth any more ,
so we scientists can't say religion is insane ,
we have to sit here surrounded by ignorance so the fools can feel ok about their ignorance,
Atheism is not tolerated because it attempts to get real , and society can't handle that ,,!!!
You clearly fail to understand that they failed , or we wouldn't still be in this bull shit now ,
if they had done their job we would be embracing reality instead of this pile of crap called christianity ,
your natural philosophers failed to reveal the truth ,
and instead left us with this religious nonsense ,
I will show them respect when they find some balls and get real ,,,!!!

So you're calling yourself a scientist now...a scientist that cannot work out the simple quote function of an internet forum is not one i would hold in high esteem.

What do you or any scientist understand about dark matter and dark energy?

[Arising_uk]

Now I can make it very simple for you mate ,
what they have achieved to date with their Arising approved methods ,,???

Light, heat, sanitation, medicine.

has failed ,,they have failed to address and reveal reality in any real or meaningful way ,
what they have done is muddy the waters , deliberately , there is no truth any more ,
so we scientists can't say religion is insane ,

You're not a scientist. You mean what you who held science as the replacement for religion say about religion but now find yourself unable to do so so you think 'science' has betrayed you in some way. This is a product of your delusion as science has never had the aim of disproving religion nor 'God/s'. You also appear to think science has not revealed some 'reality' that's hidden to us but I think this just mysticism, science just shows how things work, if a by-product is that it contradicts how a religion says it works that's just a bonus. It's true that in certain parts of Physics 'Truth' is only probable now but this in no way muddies the water as there was no such pond in the first place.

we have to sit here surrounded by ignorance so the fools can feel ok about their ignorance,

If you are unhappy with your world, change it.

Atheism is not tolerated because it attempts to get real , and society can't handle that ,,!!!

Atheism is tolerated in all the democracies. Most of whom are becoming largely atheistic or at least agnostic.

You clearly fail to understand that they failed , or we wouldn't still be in this bull shit now ,
if they had done their job we would be embracing reality instead of this pile of crap called christianity ,
your natural philosophers failed to reveal the truth , and instead left us with this religious nonsense ,
I will show them respect when they find some balls and get real ,,,!!!

Failed at what!? That you think there is a 'Truth' out there just shows how you are really just like the religious in your mystical desire. All the metaphysicians of natural philosophy said was, describe how to prove it such that I can test it and prove it as well.

[Godfree]

Now I can make it very simple for you mate ,
what they have achieved to date with their Arising approved methods ,,???
has failed ,,they have failed to address and reveal reality in any real or meaningful way ,
what they have done is muddy the waters , deliberately , there is no truth any more ,
so we scientists can't say religion is insane ,
we have to sit here surrounded by ignorance so the fools can feel ok about their ignorance,
Atheism is not tolerated because it attempts to get real , and society can't handle that ,,!!!
You clearly fail to understand that they failed , or we wouldn't still be in this bull shit now ,
if they had done their job we would be embracing reality instead of this pile of crap called christianity ,
your natural philosophers failed to reveal the truth ,
and instead left us with this religious nonsense ,
I will show them respect when they find some balls and get real ,,,!!!

So you're calling yourself a scientist now...a scientist that cannot work out the simple quote function of an internet forum is not one i would hold in high esteem.

What do you or any scientist understand about dark matter and dark energy?

That dark energy is what those evil doers are up ti isn't it ,
there seems to be a bit of dark energy in the Obama Care plan,
the white racist honkies are trying to hold america to randsom and force Obama to stop helping those ,
dark matter ,,
pretty obvious this is now a race issue ,
the truth is what we need mate , reality ,
it doesn't matter whether it's rednecks trying to bully the american government ,
or religion trying to do the same ,
it's not honest , they are not getting real ,
if you think a world controlled by irrational people entrenched in madness,
is ok thats your call ,
for me I prefer reality , in reality there is ,
no god ,devil life after death , the universe is not expanding , didn't have a beginning ,
won't have an end , we need a real world ,
not a bunch of headless chickens running a muck trying to destroy each other ,
ALL IN THE NAME OF GOD

[Godfree]

I will show them respect when they find some balls and get real ,,,!!![/quote]Failed at what!? That you think there is a 'Truth' out there just shows how you are really just like the religious in your mystical desire. All the metaphysicians of natural philosophy said was, describe how to prove it such that I can test it and prove it as well.[/quote]

There is indeed a truth out there , and it is clearly not religion ,
so why are so many governments treating it as tho it was real ,
as if the evidence was out and it had been proved credible by society ,
religion is is no way credible , it has no actual proof to support it at all ,
it is all based on mythology and here-say , not actual proof of any lind ,
then you have the alternative explanations as to how we came to be ,
evolution has been proved many times over , it's fact ,
evolution is on the other side of the reality argument to religion,
but we have the old boys network who can't won't let go of their power ,
so we have a society that understands evolution and still clings to ,
the irrational nonsense of religion,
both can't be true ,
there is a right and a wrong ,
to continually try and say we can't yet make that call is a lie ,
you are incompetent and do not know what you are talking about ,!!!

[Arising_uk]

...
you are incompetent and do not know what you are talking about ,!!!

You are an idiot who thinks he does. You are tilting at windmills and strawmen that do not exist. At least, if they do, not for the reasons you think.

[xenuwonder]

Ah, the darkness that is the American dream. A fantasy, misguided self reightous exceptionalism, all that is bad about capitalism..

And hiding behond the guise of religion.

The Police Chief of the world. Self appointed of course.

In the stone age culturaly and intellectually. "We need machine guns to hunt turkey", "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy wih a gun".

Need I say anymore?

The country is a disgrace to democracy and are the loudest voice for it on the planet.

"If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under."

Ronald Reagan

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."

Albert Einstein

$17,326,086,211,142.09 and counting...very quickly...

America's financial quagmire...

http://www.usdebtclocks.com/

Xenu out.