Is all consciousness the same

[Godfree]

Yep thats correct after death you go to consciousness.(but you dont go anywhere) the consciousness which is a never happen state.but its the same consciousness as when your in life.consciousness dosnt have a life.consciousness dosnt think.thinking takes place in consciousness.we lose the event on death but we remain in consciousness.it consciouness being nonlocal to the experienced event (life).the experience of life happened in a consciousness which did not happen.nonlocality dosnt happen.

After death , your dead , and don't go anywhere , or do anything
the live electrical impulses that are your consciousness ,
are being generated by the brain with electrical control and manipulation of those memories ,
so when you are dead the signal goes dead no way to manipulate the memories that are now fading and being lost because the power is off , your dead ,
there are obviously many amongst us who can't handle the idea of being dead , the end ,
so that is what I would advise you to do in order to grow up ,
face the idea that you will no longer exist , embrace it and accept it,
and then you won't need to keep coming up with these rediculous fantasy stories ,
to try and feel ok about your inevitable DEATH

[jackles]

Ok i get what your saying and that comes from the logic of your brain.but beond that logic is you which is a feeling. its the feeling that uses logic and reason to speak or connect with another person.a person is a feeling.so feelings speak to feelings.you are born as a feeling you can be defined as a feeling which takes its identity from the event.so beond the logic of the brain is the feeling which is the exact same feeling in all people.that feeling in rest state is nonlocal to the event in my opinion.it has life beond the brain.which as you correctly say dies away in time from the nonlocal element which is you .

[Godfree]

Ok i get what your saying and that comes from the logic of your brain.but beond that logic is you which is a feeling. its the feeling that uses logic and reason to speak or connect with another person.a person is a feeling.so feelings speak to feelings.you are born as a feeling you can be defined as a feeling which takes its identity from the event.so beond the logic of the brain is the feeling which is the exact same feeling in all people.that feeling in rest state is nonlocal to the event in my opinion.it has life beond the brain.which as you correctly say dies away in time from the nonlocal element which is you .

I am not a feeling , "I think therefore I am"
it is the ability to organize these thoughts that give us consciousness ,
without the CPU controlling things , nothing happens ,
you may have a brain with instinct abilities and a capacity to store and organize information ,
if that information stimulation never comes and you live in a silent dark world ,
then you would know nothing , apart from your own confused ideas of the existence you have ,
so try not to see consciousness as a place or state one can enter ,
consciousness is self awareness ,
it's not taping in to the other side , going to the spirit world ,
it's you and the awareness that you are alive and can think , more or less ,
unfortunately I would presume the less ,
going by your lack of ability to grasp a relatively simple concept ,,???

[jackles]

So you mean your brain can consciously syniconise all information by will.information that travels at light speed through your brain.what ever you think you are can do that.my ideas are are not confused they are rational.if not prove them otherwise .all people feel for family and friends if nothing else.thoughts come from feelings or are the result of feelings. you are what you feel you are not what you think you are thats basic common scence.feeling and awareness are the same thing.you cant under stand what im saying so that gives a feeling response.but the feeling is you.because the lack of awareness is you.you lack awareness to the capacity to understand.sorry to say it but that is ignorants.getting aniod is a bad feeling but its still the same feeling as a good feeling its you

[Godfree]

So you mean your brain can consciously syniconise all information by will.information that travels at light speed through your brain.what ever you think you are can do that.my ideas are are not confused they are rational.if not prove them otherwise .all people feel for family and friends if nothing else.thoughts come from feelings or are the result of feelings. you are what you feel you are not what you think you are thats basic common scence.feeling and awareness are the same thing.you cant under stand what im saying so that gives a feeling response.but the feeling is you.because the lack of awareness is you.you lack awareness to the capacity to understand.sorry to say it but that is ignorants.getting aniod is a bad feeling but its still the same feeling as a good feeling its you

The human brain is still more powerful , has a bigger capacity , and is faster ,
than most computers you can buy today ,
it wasn't until recently that they could get a computer to beat a grand master at chess ,
until recently the best computer in the world was still being defeated by a single man ,
the only way they finally beat him was to run a team of experts behind the scenes ,
and the team could adjust the program as the game unfolded ,
so yes your brain can and does do all those computations , at the speed of light ,
feelings are a collection of memories , all fired up in a milli second for your entertainment ,
you keep trying to suggest that something/someone else is doing some of the computing ,,???
tell , what do you imagine generates your FEELINGS ,
where do you think feelings come from ,???
do you think we are all taping in to the same feelings ,,??
do you imagine consciousness , morality , and god , as one and the same ,
that it is all there in front of us and some just chose to ignore it ,???
or are we all unique individuals ,
and there is no god or morality in our brain to start with ,
no thats the brain washing from the religious parents that do that ,so are we a clean slate an empty book ,
or do you imagine we come pre-loaded with windows religion 1o1,,,????

[James Markham]

Ok i get what your saying and that comes from the logic of your brain.but beond that logic is you which is a feeling. its the feeling that uses logic and reason to speak or connect with another person.a person is a feeling.so feelings speak to feelings.you are born as a feeling you can be defined as a feeling which takes its identity from the event.so beond the logic of the brain is the feeling which is the exact same feeling in all people.that feeling in rest state is nonlocal to the event in my opinion.it has life beond the brain.which as you correctly say dies away in time from the nonlocal element which is you .

I am not a feeling , "I think therefore I am"
it is the ability to organize these thoughts that give us consciousness ,
without the CPU controlling things , nothing happens ,
you may have a brain with instinct abilities and a capacity to store and organize information ,
if that information stimulation never comes and you live in a silent dark world ,
then you would know nothing , apart from your own confused ideas of the existence you have ,
so try not to see consciousness as a place or state one can enter ,
consciousness is self awareness ,
it's not taping in to the other side , going to the spirit world ,
it's you and the awareness that you are alive and can think , more or less ,
unfortunately I would presume the less ,
going by your lack of ability to grasp a relatively simple concept ,,???

Godfree, the only thing thats simple about this post is the person who wrote it. You don't even have a clue what your trying to say, so jackles didn't really stand a chance.

How can you say you are your thoughts, but are not feelings. Feelings exist prior to any thoughts that you have. Even the most basic mental experiment such as that done by Descartes, necessarily required that he first be desirous of something, such as proof he existed, and so it was feeling that induced him to arrange he's thoughts into ideas, and again these ideas were formed and arranged until they satisfied, not his thoughts, but he's feeling of conviction.

So I'd say you are the stupid one that can't understand concepts, simple or otherwise.

[Godfree]

Ok i get what your saying and that comes from the logic of your brain.but beond that logic is you which is a feeling. its the feeling that uses logic and reason to speak or connect with another person.a person is a feeling.so feelings speak to feelings.you are born as a feeling you can be defined as a feeling which takes its identity from the event.so beond the logic of the brain is the feeling which is the exact same feeling in all people.that feeling in rest state is nonlocal to the event in my opinion.it has life beond the brain.which as you correctly say dies away in time from the nonlocal element which is you .

I am not a feeling , "I think therefore I am"
it is the ability to organize these thoughts that give us consciousness ,
without the CPU controlling things , nothing happens ,
you may have a brain with instinct abilities and a capacity to store and organize information ,
if that information stimulation never comes and you live in a silent dark world ,
then you would know nothing , apart from your own confused ideas of the existence you have ,
so try not to see consciousness as a place or state one can enter ,
consciousness is self awareness ,
it's not taping in to the other side , going to the spirit world ,
it's you and the awareness that you are alive and can think , more or less ,
unfortunately I would presume the less ,
going by your lack of ability to grasp a relatively simple concept ,,???

Godfree, the only thing thats simple about this post is the person who wrote it. You don't even have a clue what your trying to say, so jackles didn't really stand a chance.

How can you say you are your thoughts, but are not feelings. Feelings exist prior to any thoughts that you have. Even the most basic mental experiment such as that done by Descartes, necessarily required that he first be desirous of something, such as proof he existed, and so it was feeling that induced him to arrange he's thoughts into ideas, and again these ideas were formed and arranged until they satisfied, not his thoughts, but he's feeling of conviction.

So I'd say you are the stupid one that can't understand concepts, simple or otherwise.

There is no evidence or proof that any god spirit world other side exists ,
so I base my understanding of the world on what we can prove ,
and I do know exactly what I'm trying to say ,
I'm trying to say that in order for there to be this universal consciousness ,
you have to have a spirit or god or other world for this to be based in ,
and no such god or world exists ,
there is no spirit world ghosts angels spirits or devils ,
there is no other brain , in your brain , unless your a bit shcizo ,
so lets stop the attempt to rationalize that a spirit world must be real , get real ,
and face your own mortality ,,,

[James Markham]

Godfree, In order to say concisely what does or doesn't exist, you would need a complete and definitive understanding of all the physical apparatus and phenomena that relates to the subject. Knowing as I do that all the most esteemed academics in the field of neurological research, have little to no idea how consciousness arises from the grey matter of the brain, or even how best to describe or quantify its activity, I have little faith in your professed wisdom.

If you know so much about consciousness, describe to me the difference between a person who gets an itch and decides to scratch it, and an unconscious sleeper who's body reacts automatically. The two physical events are identical, hand scratches nose. So what is the physical process that allows for one to be acknowledged and remembered, but the other unregistered.

The fact is, nobody understands exactly what consciousness is, or why there is such a thing as what it is like to be conscious. Much like nobody knows or understands why and how we have the other forces that determine the course of events in reality.

[Godfree]

Godfree, In order to say concisely what does or doesn't exist, you would need a complete and definitive understanding of all the physical apparatus and phenomena that relates to the subject. Knowing as I do that all the most esteemed academics in the field of neurological research, have little to no idea how consciousness arises from the grey matter of the brain, or even how best to describe or quantify its activity, I have little faith in your professed wisdom.

If you know so much about consciousness, describe to me the difference between a person who gets an itch and decides to scratch it, and an unconscious sleeper who's body reacts automatically. The two physical events are identical, hand scratches nose. So what is the physical process that allows for one to be acknowledged and remembered, but the other unregistered.

The fact is, nobody understands exactly what consciousness is, or why there is such a thing as what it is like to be conscious. Much like nobody knows or understands why and how we have the other forces that determine the course of events in reality.

Your talking about something fairly simple here ,
when we are asleep our physical response to the world/our dreams ,
is switched off , otherwise we sleep walk or eat or a case here in NZ recently ,
a woman drove about 400 miles asleep , using her cell ph , didn't crash ,
it's called auto pilot , we assign a lot of things to our auto pilot ,
typing , we don't have to look at the keys to find each letter ,
after awhile it becomes automatic ,
digesting food , repairing the body , this is all done by your auto pilot/subconscious ,
when you are sleeping a normal healthy brain switches off unessesary functions ,
such as trying to punch the vilan in your dreams ,
or escape the intruder , etc
most of your repair work is done while the body rests other functions ,
we need to sleep for repair work to occur .

[Lakin]

We all have experiences, but it is generally considered that all experiences are not the same. In other words, experience has a unique subjective character when it comes to each individual.

That doestn't matter. The question resolves to the unity of human experience not the
particular aspects of it.
In all that is fundamental we are the same.

[Ginkgo]

We all have experiences, but it is generally considered that all experiences are not the same. In other words, experience has a unique subjective character when it comes to each individual.

That doestn't matter. The question resolves to the unity of human experience not the
particular aspects of it.
In all that is fundamental we are the same.

That may well be true but this is not what the OP has said. He is arguing that illusion is the only thing that creates distinct perspectives. If it is the case that as individuals we are all under the illusion of having distinct perspectives then we still have distinct perspectives, regardless if they are real or imagined.

[Godfree]

We all have experiences, but it is generally considered that all experiences are not the same. In other words, experience has a unique subjective character when it comes to each individual.

That doestn't matter. The question resolves to the unity of human experience not the
particular aspects of it.
In all that is fundamental we are the same.

That may well be true but this is not what the OP has said. He is arguing that illusion is the only thing that creates distinct perspectives. If it is the case that as individuals we are all under the illusion of having distinct perspectives then we still have distinct perspectives, regardless if they are real or imagined.

Reality is an individual experience ,,,Reality is subjective ,
there is only one reality/realworld , just 7 billion ideas of what that is ,
it doesn't matter how many fundamentalists believe god is real ,
that doesn't make god real , that just says many people believe god is real ,
so reality is a perception , in the mind of the perceiver ,
but reality is the same for all , we look at the same world/universe ,
but we imagine what we see to mean different things , the ancients believed in Astrology ,
and that is now seen as mythology ,
Astronomy is the study of reality ,
what the ancients thought Astrology was , and they created all sorts of fancy stories about the ,
twelve knights ,three wise men , the resurrection , =Astrology ,
and they then turned it in to the story of Horus ,
and after a thousand years of killing poor innocent smucks on the cross ,
they finally decided that jesus was the one , yep a believable performance ,
and the award goes to jesus , for being the poor innocent fool in the wrong place at the wrong time
a thousand years of trying that fantasy until, the ignorant were satisfied ,
and still more life being lost today in the name of religion, allah , god ,
it's all the same ignorance and bullshit with pretty much the same destruction and suffering ,
religion ,what a dumb idea ...

[thedoc]

After death , your dead , and don't go anywhere , or do anything
the live electrical impulses that are your consciousness ,
are being generated by the brain with electrical control and manipulation of those memories ,
so when you are dead the signal goes dead no way to manipulate the memories that are now fading and being lost because the power is off , your dead ,
there are obviously many amongst us who can't handle the idea of being dead , the end ,
so that is what I would advise you to do in order to grow up ,
face the idea that you will no longer exist , embrace it and accept it,
and then you won't need to keep coming up with these rediculous fantasy stories ,
to try and feel ok about your inevitable DEATH

Unless you are speaking from beyond the grave, I can't accept the validity of what you are saying. and must view it as speculation.

[Lakin]

Ginkgo

That may well be true but this is not what the OP has said. He is arguing that illusion is the only thing that creates distinct perspectives. If it is the case that as individuals we are all under the illusion of having distinct perspectives then we still have distinct perspectives, regardless if they are real or imagined

.

Perspective is not consciousness it is a feature of consciousness.
The ability to have perspective is consciousness and we all have that.

[Godfree]

After death , your dead , and don't go anywhere , or do anything
the live electrical impulses that are your consciousness ,
are being generated by the brain with electrical control and manipulation of those memories ,
so when you are dead the signal goes dead no way to manipulate the memories that are now fading and being lost because the power is off , your dead ,
there are obviously many amongst us who can't handle the idea of being dead , the end ,
so that is what I would advise you to do in order to grow up ,
face the idea that you will no longer exist , embrace it and accept it,
and then you won't need to keep coming up with these rediculous fantasy stories ,
to try and feel ok about your inevitable DEATH

Unless you are speaking from beyond the grave, I can't accept the validity of what you are saying. and must view it as speculation.

You presume there is a beyond the grave that people can talk from ,,???
unless I am/ was dead and speaking from there you won't believe there is no beyond ,,???
do you ever get the feeling that you are confused,,???