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uwot wrote:
Brit Dems wrote:1. Do you believe that a culture does not depend on a political structure for its survival?
Yes.
Brit Dems wrote:2. Do you believe that a political structure does not depend on a culture to maintain it?
Yes. Culture is usually more resilient than political structures. This is not always a good thing, as for instance, the former Yugoslavia shows.
Brit Dems wrote:Come again. :shock:
You should do some history; you would be less easily shocked.


Which of the following statements is FALSE.
Which of the following statements is TRUE.


1. Yugoslavia no longer exists because Yugoslavia had cultural problems.

2. Yugoslavia no longer exists because Yugoslavia had political problems.
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Brit Dems wrote:Which of the following statements is FALSE.
Which of the following statements is TRUE.


1. Yugoslavia no longer exists because Yugoslavia had cultural problems.

2. Yugoslavia no longer exists because Yugoslavia had political problems.
Yugoslavia was a political construct imposed by the Soviet Union and maintained by Marshall Tito. When the USSR began to collapse, it withdrew support and the different cultural factions started killing each other. Similarly thoughtless political structures have been imposed by western powers all over the world, sometimes with disastrous consequences for the local culture, sometimes less so. Political structure and culture are manifestly not synonymous.
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uwot wrote:
Brit Dems wrote:Which of the following statements is FALSE.
Which of the following statements is TRUE.


1. Yugoslavia no longer exists because Yugoslavia had cultural problems.

2. Yugoslavia no longer exists because Yugoslavia had political problems.
Yugoslavia was a political construct imposed by the Soviet Union and maintained by Marshall Tito. When the USSR began to collapse, it withdrew support and the different cultural factions started killing each other. Similarly thoughtless political structures have been imposed by western powers all over the world, sometimes with disastrous consequences for the local culture, sometimes less so. Political structure and culture are manifestly not synonymous.

Where does the power come from to enable a group of people to impose a political construct?
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uwot wrote:2. Yugoslavia no longer exists because Yugoslavia had political problems.
Yugoslavia was a political construct imposed by the Soviet Union and maintained by Marshall Tito. When the USSR began to collapse, it withdrew support and the different cultural factions started killing each other. Similarly thoughtless political structures have been imposed by western powers all over the world, sometimes with disastrous consequences for the local culture, sometimes less so. Political structure and culture are manifestly not synonymous.[/quote]

if i remember my history correctly, Tito told Stalin to go fuck himself and was able to manage on his own just fine

when khruschev came to power there was a bit of a warming in yugoslav - ussr relations - but yugoslavia was never a member of the warsaw pact or otherwise took its marching orders from moscow - or got material support from it
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Kayla wrote:if i remember my history correctly, Tito told Stalin to go fuck himself and was able to manage on his own just fine

when khruschev came to power there was a bit of a warming in yugoslav - ussr relations - but yugoslavia was never a member of the warsaw pact or otherwise took its marching orders from moscow - or got material support from it
My parents used to travel in East Europe regularly in the 60's and 70's. Mum, who was a socialist, was thrilled with how well Yugoslavia was doing. Dad, a conservative, insisted that was because Russia was pouring money into it. Their views were fairly typical. Certainly the understanding was that the Russians were delighted to get Yugoslavia off their hands when they withdrew tactical and financial support. I've not heard that Tito told Stalin to go fuck himself, but I can see the propaganda advantage of putting it like that. You may be right, but knowing history and knowing the truth aren't necessarily the same thing.
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Brit Dems wrote:Where does the power come from to enable a group of people to impose a political construct?
The usual sources; money or violence.
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uwot wrote:
Brit Dems wrote:Where does the power come from to enable a group of people to impose a political construct?
The usual sources; money or violence.

O.K.

How does culture impact the value of money?

How does culture enable the effective use of violence?
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Brit Dems wrote:How does culture impact the value of money?
I'm not convinced it does.
Brit Dems wrote:How does culture enable the effective use of violence?
What would you describe as the effective use of violence?
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On the news the other evening, a Jewish guy was interviewed about "the knockout game" incidents that have happened recently in this neighborhood. He said that all victims were Jewish. All perpetrators were black young men.

"Civilization is not instinctive. It doesn’t come packaged in our DNA. It doesn’t even come from schools or books. It has to come from the defining human institution; the family.

Where there is no family, men and women wear the coat of civilization loosely and cast it aside easily. They treat violence and sexuality with the casualness that those outside civilization do. It is the family that civilizes violence and sexuality by endowing it with civilizational meaning. Without it, all that’s left are dark streets, single mothers, male wolf packs and Knockout games."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreen ... -156452005
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tbieter wrote:On the news the other evening, a Jewish guy was interviewed about "the knockout game" incidents that have happened recently in this neighborhood. He said that all victims were Jewish. All perpetrators were black young men.

"Civilization is not instinctive. It doesn’t come packaged in our DNA. It doesn’t even come from schools or books. It has to come from the defining human institution; the family.

Where there is no family, men and women wear the coat of civilization loosely and cast it aside easily. They treat violence and sexuality with the casualness that those outside civilization do. It is the family that civilizes violence and sexuality by endowing it with civilizational meaning. Without it, all that’s left are dark streets, single mothers, male wolf packs and Knockout games."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreen ... -156452005

Interesting.

Is it possible that humanity can sustain only 50% of itself with family values?

In other words, for you to have a family another family must be destroyed elsewhere?
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I once saw bigotry on seeing its ugly face, I knew all and everything that is wrong with the race we call human, and hence why race is explicitly pointless, if any race is better than any other or any human thusly they have of course done little or nothing to prove it, in fact all they have proven is that they are inferior by their design, and we should hence mock them so. And always because no man no matter how intelligent can honestly believe he is superior to an ape when he looks at other apes and considers himself a hairless form of a chimp that is superior given what he is, can of course honestly say he is any more than chimp given what he has done. ;)
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Blaggard wrote:I once saw bigotry on seeing its ugly face, I knew all and everything that is wrong with the race we call human, and hence why race is explicitly pointless, if any race is better than any other or any human thusly they have of course done little or nothing to prove it, in fact all they have proven is that they are inferior by their design, and we should hence mock them so. And always because no man no matter how intelligent can honestly believe he is superior to an ape when he looks at other apes and considers himself a hairless form of a chimp that is superior given what he is, can of course honestly say he is any more than chimp given what he has done. ;)


What is the status of people who can create species?

What title do they deserve?
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Brit Dems wrote:
Blaggard wrote:I once saw bigotry on seeing its ugly face, I knew all and everything that is wrong with the race we call human, and hence why race is explicitly pointless, if any race is better than any other or any human thusly they have of course done little or nothing to prove it, in fact all they have proven is that they are inferior by their design, and we should hence mock them so. And always because no man no matter how intelligent can honestly believe he is superior to an ape when he looks at other apes and considers himself a hairless form of a chimp that is superior given what he is, can of course honestly say he is any more than chimp given what he has done. ;)


What is the status of people who can create species?

What title do they deserve?
The Nazis, Eugenecists? You tell me?
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