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reasonvemotion
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Who will be the bride?
Skip
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Congratulations, Kayla! (I envy you that wonderful brother.) Montreal is fantastic and you`ll have a great time. Might like to give the Canadian wines a try: some are pretty good, especially the whites; cheaper than tequila and less headachy on the morrow.
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Kayla wrote:and if they say 'if you really loved me you would not care about having a contract' it is time to find someone else
Not really, because you'd first have to presume that legal contracts are necessary. So you first have to doom (or, roll the dice, not doom as in certain ending) the relationship before you can believe the relationship is doomed, in other words.
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When there is "real" money involved, it is a done deal.
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Kayla
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Skip wrote:Congratulations, Kayla! (I envy you that wonderful brother.) Montreal is fantastic and you`ll have a great time. Might like to give the Canadian wines a try: some are pretty good, especially the whites; cheaper than tequila and less headachy on the morrow.
thank you

wines never did much for me, i like beer and hard liquor but wines taste bitter but not in a good way they way beer is

but i gave been told that my objections do not apply to Canadian ice wines
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Ice wine is sweet, but also expensive. A small glass with dessert is enough.
Your palate changes over time; there is much in potables yet to explore. If you're not a fan of wine, we have lots of microbreweries that produce a variety of beers. My current favourite is Waterloo, a sweet, lightly nutty brown ale. Don't know whether it's available in Quebec, though: I'm only familiar with the LCB Ontario inventory.
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Kayla
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Skip wrote:Ice wine is sweet, but also expensive. A small glass with dessert is enough.
Your palate changes over time; there is much in potables yet to explore. If you're not a fan of wine, we have lots of microbreweries that produce a variety of beers. My current favourite is Waterloo, a sweet, lightly nutty brown ale. Don't know whether it's available in Quebec, though: I'm only familiar with the LCB Ontario inventory.
i once had a 500 ml bottle of 'fin du monde' from quebec - which is double strength of regular beer

i was very stupid and giggly for about 15 minutes and then had to ask for help staggering off to bed

but it tasted really good!
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reasonvemotion wrote:Some feminists see marriage as playing a crucial role in the oppression of women and also the debate over same sex marriage is highly charged as marriage is viewed in a traditional sense of man and woman.
Who says women are 'oppressed'. Feminism is just Marxism with the word 'class' marked out and the word 'sex' substituted.
Aristotle argued marriage is properly structured by gender, the husband, “fitter for command,” rules. The sexes express their excellences differently, “the courage of a man is shown in commanding, of a woman in obeying,” a complementarity which promotes the marital good".
What does 'structured by gender' mean? I don't think you know what 'gender' means. It's a linguistic term.

There is some recent research that found that U.S. marriage rate is 31.1, or 31 marriages per 1,000 unmarried women. That means for every 1,000 unmarried women in the U.S., 31 of those previously single women tied the knot in the last year.

For comparison, in 1920, the national marriage rate was 92.3.
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Melchior wrote:Who says women are 'oppressed'. Feminism is just Marxism with the word 'class' marked out and the word 'sex' substituted.
are you sure you know what marxism even is?
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Kayla wrote:
Melchior wrote:Who says women are 'oppressed'. Feminism is just Marxism with the word 'class' marked out and the word 'sex' substituted.
are you sure you know what marxism even is?
Feminism is BS. Are you familiar with Monty Python? With the fish license sketch?

http://youtu.be/pnq96W9jtuw
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Kayla
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so i take it you dont know what marxism is
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Melchior wrote:
Aristotle argued marriage is properly structured by gender, the husband, “fitter for command,” rules. The sexes express their excellences differently, “the courage of a man is shown in commanding, of a woman in obeying,” a complementarity which promotes the marital good".
He also said the sun goes round the Earth.
Melchior wrote:Feminism is BS.
What do you think the core tenets are? Why are they BS?
Melchior wrote:Are you familiar with Monty Python?
I've done a bit of work for Michael Palin, but we're not close.
Melchior wrote:With the fish license sketch?
Is that a clue? The good people here were kind enough recently to explain what a troll is. Apparently, some of the contributors adopt peculiar personae for unfathomable purposes. My question to you then, is: are you really a barely coherent, misogynist half-wit? If not, can you say anything to prove it?
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Feminism is BS
Feminism is BS in that it doesn't grasp how insufficient equality for women is in addressing the human condition.

Turn on your TV. Observe who it is that is committing all the violence in the world. It is of course 95%+ men. Not all men of course, but violent men.

It seems no culture in history has come up with an effective method for controlling violent men. Sure, we put some of them in jail, but the carnage is still with us, right?

This has been going on for endless centuries, and we've survived it so far. There is however no guarantee that will continue forever.

Knowledge development is empowering everybody, including violent men, in revolutionary ways and thus the damage they can now do poses a mortal threat to the entire species.

If humanity is to survive, it may have to do so by getting rid of men entirely. That's real feminism, the kind humanity likely needs.

Yes, I know, you find this absurd. Let's talk again after a couple of nukes go off somewhere in the world, and entire cities full of millions of people are erased in a single day.

We live in revolutionary times.
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I know what you mean felasco, but would women somehow be different from men if they ruled the world. I can guess you are not saying they would be, but I can only guess that. I think human nature has been a detriment to human endeavour, but don't forget that behind every great man was a great woman. Seriously many great leaders were driven to do what they did because they had the ear of a woman. You underplay perhaps the influence women have had in history, and perhaps you expect them to do any better, but in all honesty, any sex given power is going to funk it up, be it a man or a woman. And there will always be people who claim it is a mans' world an their fault therein, but it isn't. Women are just as capable of being corrupted by power as men. The fact we haven't often given them the chance is no indicator that they will behave, I doubt any human will.

Don't get me wrong I am sure women deserve the same rights as men, but politics changes any person, people who seek power regardless of sex tend to be the most easily corrupted by it. And I have no doubt at all that a female driven society would be just as bad as a male driven one. Of course I can't know that but at the end of the day, if you are a person who has more power than a man, do you really think you will magically just set the world to rights? Transfer the power, transfer the ability to be corrupted by it, everyone is human regardless of sex.
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reasonvemotion wrote:What makes a good marriage/partnership? Is it in essence an ethical tie?

What is needed to keep two people together and what would be the unpardonable "sin" in your opinion that would be the cause of a break up.

Can one person really provide everything the other person wants and needs?
I see that love is not what another can do for you, rather what you can do for another, then of course, it's great when ones mate sees it the same way. Of course there should be no score keeping.
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