The universe expands ...

[SpheresOfBalance]

There is NO PROBABILITY of God...IT EXISTS 100% FACT.
Whether the universe is FINITE or INFINITE makes NO difference to that fact...get the whole bible 'creation' away from your short sighted mind.
Show ME ONCE where you have made me appear a FOOL.
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You self stroking fool. Just because you believe your argument to be more refined, taking many modern

You can quote and flap as much as you like ,
if you can't seriously see that the post above is completely confused ,
then I have overestimated your intellect ,
So "there is no probability of god" , a quote I would be proud of ,,???
and then , "it exists 100% fact" ,,you and I know there are no facts to prove gods existence ,
there is a right and a wrong in life ,
every body can't be right ,
all religions can't be right even if there was a god ,
but there is a clear distinction between those who believe there is a god ,
and those who don't ,, both can't be right ,
I don't believe we are going to pretend FOREVER ,
at some point we must face reality ,
IN REALITY THERE IS NO GOD OR HEAVEN NO LIFE AFTER DEATH .

I said that, highlighted in red above, to attofishpie, in your defense, so thanks for the abuse, I guess that's what I get for trying to help. Whether you feel like you don't need help matters not, as the only thing that does, is that I put forth the effort to do so. So again thank you, my friend.

Which has nothing to do with you and I providing arguments for one another's arguments, that, to me at least, is a separate issue, but maybe you are more emotional than I am, and can't separate the two, I don't know, you tell me.

I am very emotional , passionate , almost possessed ,single minded , stubborn ,
I had an experience with the CHch hospital , they told me I didn't have an abscess issue , and I said I did ,
after 12 years of being insulted and ignored , wrongly diagnosed ,they were proved wrong ,
so thats the sort of confidence and resolve I have ,
I confidently stood up against the entire medical profession here in chch ,
the GP's the surgeons the shrink , and even The ED department , when I was at my worst ,
they all got it wrong , told me I was deluded , and there was no abscess , for 12 years ,
so you tell me mate , just how stubborn and self assured am I

Which has absolutely nothing to do with necessarily being correct.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Only knowledge and science should be used to steer the human ship away from the rocks. As it surely contains no individual self interests.[/color]

A nice sentiment , but who's knowledge , and who's science ,,???
Scientology ,,??? ,,The New Scientist ,,??? ,,,Intelligent Design ,,???
and having the knowledge is not enough , you also have to have the courage and commitment ,
to act and do something ,
and that is where the Skeptics fail , we get the status quo because they , the Skeptics ,
will be skeptical of the idea that they should act ,
so it's like Skeptic is just a convenient excuse for complacency ,
change requires you to chose , this way or that ,
STOP TRYING TO MAKE EVERY BODY HAPPY ,AND JUST BE HONEST

Your a nice guy , I can tell that , you wouldn't hurt a fly , me neither , sort of , flies , should be squashed ,
but you know what I mean , your doing what I did as a child within my own family ,
I was playing the role of the peace maker and often wondered why my siblings liked to take sides and make war ,
I'm not unfamiliar with your philosophy , I do understand the stance your taking ,
but we can play games with things to make points , ie ,
if you had to chose , does god exist or not and sitting on the fence was not an option ,
what would you decide you think ,???
so nice as you are , you don't help me further my cause , you do just as I do ,
and only want to continually promote my cause/philosophy ,
so I don't mind , my favourite saying as a fifteen yr old ,
reality is an individual experience , or
reality is subjective ,
I started quite early , and was getting my brain around subjects like infinity by the time I was 10 ,
to say I know these arguments backwards ,
would be an understatement ,,,!!![/quote]
No dude I could give a fuck about your opinions, OK you have them then you die. Same here! So what? I see that you're just the same kind of freak that they are, neither one of you can know, full of conjecture, yet you profess otherwise, such fools you are!

I the only clever one, as I know that I cannot know, only ever hopeful.

So fuck you, frame yourself by your contrived crap, and one day you'll die with it, while I will either have led the way or shall soon follow, with mine. So what?

So are you happy? I have just framed you, as you would frame me or them there christians. You's two say you know, and I say no man can! Just as fired up and convicted, the only difference is that I'm right and neither of you two are.

[Godfree]

No dude I could give a fuck about your opinions, OK you have them then you die. Same here! So what? I see that you're just the same kind of freak that they are, neither one of you can know, full of conjecture, yet you profess otherwise, such fools you are!

I the only clever one, as I know that I cannot know, only ever hopeful.

So fuck you, frame yourself by your contrived crap, and one day you'll die with it, while I will either have led the way or shall soon follow, with mine. So what?

So are you happy? I have just framed you, as you would frame me or them there christians. You's two say you know, and I say no man can! Just as fired up and convicted, the only difference is that I'm right and neither of you two are.[/quote]

Fired up to ,,,,maintain the status quo ,,,,,wow scary ,,!!!
CHANGE , how does your thinking change the ignorant pile of feaces we live with now ,
"neither of us know the full conjecture"
we do have many facts we can start with , when attempting to prove evolution ,
please list the facts for the other side ,
fired up ,,yeah mate in NZ we have a saying for the punishment you will dish out ,
" a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket"

[Hjarloprillar]

a nzeelander..
im across the pond in vic .mildura.
zeeland is so beautifull. thats why LotRings was made there. middle earth beauty..

WE anzacs need a union lol. talk about stiring the pot

[Godfree]

a nzeelander..
im across the pond in vic .mildura.
zeeland is so beautifull. thats why LotRings was made there. middle earth beauty..

WE anzacs need a union lol. talk about stiring the pot

An Australian , since when , I get the feeling , your username a clue , that your not ,
English , I get the feeling you come from another culture ,
or is that just another cryptic reference to something I havn't read , your username ,,???
My challenge is to try and say as much as possible with a few words as possible ,
so you could say that aphorism is my style , sums me up quite well,
"the irrational belief in god is one of the main stumbling blocks in the way of the advance of civilization "

[Hjarloprillar]

avatar is from jap anime flic. 'spirited away' a capture.
it is unique.
i do not use stock.

"English"no parentage is french/irish-german. my great great granda was
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auguste_de_Marmont

i have no nation,, child of EARTH. A homo sapiens sapien.
profoundly dispirited by his species.

woe

[Godfree]

avatar is from jap anime flic. 'spirited away' a capture.
it is unique.
i do not use stock.

"English"no parentage is french/irish-german. my great great granda was
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auguste_de_Marmont

i have no nation,, child of EARTH. A homo sapiens sapien.
profoundly dispirited by his species.

woe

I would say dis-appointed , in the lack of integrity , courage , and foresight ,
do you mean dis-enfranchised , left out ,,
Atheists are the most discriminated group in western societies ,
we have no political representation , no clubs churches or organizations set up for Atheists ,
and they have the cheek to call the west a secular democracy ,
what a joke ,,,!!!

[Hjarloprillar]

avatar is from jap anime flic. 'spirited away' a capture.
it is unique.
i do not use stock.

"English"no parentage is french/irish-german. my great great granda was
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auguste_de_Marmont

i have no nation,, child of EARTH. A homo sapiens sapien.
profoundly dispirited by his species.

woe

I would say dis-appointed , in the lack of integrity , courage , and foresight ,
do you mean dis-enfranchised , left out ,,
Atheists are the most discriminated group in western societies ,
we have no political representation , no clubs churches or organizations set up for Atheists ,
and they have the cheek to call the west a secular democracy ,
what a joke ,,,!!!

so athiests have no family. allone they fight the good fight
nice imagry
what is true is they are cornered rats
athiest is a belief and all have inherent right to belife
when they push it on others. be that athiesm or christianity
i have right to kill them on my doorstep with a .357 top loaded S&W

[Godfree]

avatar is from jap anime flic. 'spirited away' a capture.
it is unique.
i do not use stock.

"English"no parentage is french/irish-german. my great great granda was
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auguste_de_Marmont

i have no nation,, child of EARTH. A homo sapiens sapien.
profoundly dispirited by his species.

woe

I would say dis-appointed , in the lack of integrity , courage , and foresight ,
do you mean dis-enfranchised , left out ,,
Atheists are the most discriminated group in western societies ,
we have no political representation , no clubs churches or organizations set up for Atheists ,
and they have the cheek to call the west a secular democracy ,
what a joke ,,,!!!

so athiests have no family. allone they fight the good fight
nice imagry
what is true is they are cornered rats
athiest is a belief and all have inherent right to belife
when they push it on others. be that athiesm or christianity
i have right to kill them on my doorstep with a .357 top loaded S&W

We live in a religious dictatorship , why has your gun not been used ,
if we had an equal society with an even playing field , I wouldn't need to promote Atheism ,
I'm fighting for equality , which is currently not being offered ,
and just incase you don't actually know this ,
religion is a belief system , Atheism is science ,
when you take god out of the picture , science is what we use to explain the world ,
so just replace the word Atheism with science and you have the reality ,
there is a right and a wrong , we either evolved or we didn't ,
the universe is either finite or infinite , it can't be both ,
sit the fence all your life if you like but my testicular fortitude is a little stronger.

[SpheresOfBalance]

No dude I could give a fuck about your opinions, OK you have them then you die. Same here! So what? I see that you're just the same kind of freak that they are, neither one of you can know, full of conjecture, yet you profess otherwise, such fools you are!

I the only clever one, as I know that I cannot know, only ever hopeful.

So fuck you, frame yourself by your contrived crap, and one day you'll die with it, while I will either have led the way or shall soon follow, with mine. So what?

So are you happy? I have just framed you, as you would frame me or them there christians. You's two say you know, and I say no man can! Just as fired up and convicted, the only difference is that I'm right and neither of you two are.

Fired up to ,,,,maintain the status quo ,,,,,wow scary ,,!!!
What I stand for is not a status quo, and gives neither any power. I hate the religions of inquisitions, ruling education, killing philosophers and original thinkers, etc, just like you do. I told you before: I HATE MANS GOD!!!!!!

CHANGE , how does your thinking change the ignorant pile of feaces we live with now ,
Because I just got done telling you that, "They are wrong."

"neither of us know the full conjecture"
we do have many facts we can start with , when attempting to prove evolution ,
I agree with evolution, 100%! Just like you do!

please list the facts for the other side ,
What side? I've already said that I do not agree with any age old religions, the 'closest' one to my heart would have to be Buddhism.

fired up ,,yeah mate in NZ we have a saying for the punishment you will dish out ,
" a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket"
As if you could know my resolve. First, I do not believe them fully culpable for their belief. But as long as they just believe, and leave everyone else alone, live and let live. They can believe what they want till the day they die, no skin off my ass. But if they start burning crosses on my front lawn, well then the specific culprits responsible, better back the fuck up, cause I'll blow those fuckers to smitherines. Not really, as I really believe that punishment should be equal to the crime. For serious crimes, such as delivering death, I prefer banishment, in the extreme!
[/quote]

Godfree, you do realize that I only flew off the handle, so you can see that your characterization of me being fearful of making a decision, as to either that of theism or atheism, is total bullshit. I know it was just you calling me out, but I'm actually already there, just not where you are, nor where they are. To me it's one of life's mysteries. It's just that I can live with that.

[SpheresOfBalance]

a nzeelander..
im across the pond in vic .mildura.
zeeland is so beautifull. thats why LotRings was made there. middle earth beauty..

WE anzacs need a union lol. talk about stiring the pot

Yes, I agree with you Prill, I would love, very much, to visit NZ where the kiwis go. Many a film was done there. Hercules, the legendary journeys and Zena, warrior princess was also filmed there, to name two more of many. Actually anytime Hollywood wants an awesome beautiful backdrop of nature, they buy tickets to NZ. And a good decision it is.

[SpheresOfBalance]

i have no nation,, child of EARTH. A homo sapiens sapien.
profoundly dispirited by his species.

woe

Me too! Me too!
Hey Prill, we do seem to have something in common after all.

[SpheresOfBalance]

avatar is from jap anime flic. 'spirited away' a capture.
it is unique.
i do not use stock.

"English"no parentage is french/irish-german. my great great granda was
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auguste_de_Marmont

i have no nation,, child of EARTH. A homo sapiens sapien.
profoundly dispirited by his species.

woe

I would say dis-appointed , in the lack of integrity , courage , and foresight ,
do you mean dis-enfranchised , left out ,,
Atheists are the most discriminated group in western societies ,
we have no political representation , no clubs churches or organizations set up for Atheists ,
and they have the cheek to call the west a secular democracy ,
what a joke ,,,!!!

so athiests have no family. allone they fight the good fight
nice imagry
what is true is they are cornered rats
athiest is a belief and all have inherent right to belife
when they push it on others. be that athiesm or christianity
i have right to kill them on my doorstep with a .357 top loaded S&W

We live in a religious dictatorship , why has your gun not been used ,
if we had an equal society with an even playing field , I wouldn't need to promote Atheism ,
I'm fighting for equality , which is currently not being offered ,
and just incase you don't actually know this ,
religion is a belief system , Atheism is science ,
when you take god out of the picture , science is what we use to explain the world ,
so just replace the word Atheism with science and you have the reality ,
there is a right and a wrong , we either evolved or we didn't ,
the universe is either finite or infinite , it can't be both ,
sit the fence all your life if you like but my testicular fortitude is a little stronger.

On my fence, I can see farther than you can, It's just one of the advantages of being higher!

[SpheresOfBalance]

avatar is from jap anime flic. 'spirited away' a capture.
it is unique.
i do not use stock.

"English"no parentage is french/irish-german. my great great granda was
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auguste_de_Marmont

i have no nation,, child of EARTH. A homo sapiens sapien.
profoundly dispirited by his species.

woe

I would say dis-appointed , in the lack of integrity , courage , and foresight ,
do you mean dis-enfranchised , left out ,,
Atheists are the most discriminated group in western societies ,
we have no political representation , no clubs churches or organizations set up for Atheists ,
and they have the cheek to call the west a secular democracy ,
what a joke ,,,!!!

so athiests have no family. allone they fight the good fight
nice imagry
what is true is they are cornered rats
athiest is a belief and all have inherent right to belife
when they push it on others. be that athiesm or christianity
i have right to kill them on my doorstep with a .357 top loaded S&W

Oh yeah, well I have a M61 Vulcan mounted to a quad (ATV).

[Hjarloprillar]

I'm Australian.
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[i confuse many by saying i consider US constitution the most important document coined
'We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
why do i as aussie talk of US?
it is the new rome. untill europe becomes europa and china gets its act together.. thats' the fact.
all roads lead to rome.
i prefer to live here in 53rd state.
In geopolitical military sense the reality is oz exists free now and in future due to the nuke carrier bg's of pac-com.
6 million 2/kms of empty land. is safe for ozzies and for US peeps who now come in.]
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hubble and spce command and all off earth exploration was/is done by US . with europe adding to knowledge basket.

your avatar spheres is AMERICAN rationalism..pity we cant ditch kfc and consumerism.
im willing a truce. to collect the wounded.

what say you