A philosophy of science.

[Hjarloprillar]

As a true advocate of William of Ockham. [father of epistemology to many]

This will be short.
Prills dictum
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It is only the ability to embrace a different reality that allows science to expand beyond the limits of what we know.
However extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Method and madness have throughout human history walked hand in hand. We are so often stunted blind and thoughtless.
Idiot apes without a racial goal. Never have we made a civilisation.
We vent trillions into thermonuclear weapons and a pittance into our best future.. the high frontier.

A fundamental truth paraphrased from the most unlikely of places.
"The only true freedom we have is the opportunity to work things out for ourselves"
A greater gift that existence itself.

This is for our species. science.
And the unswerving drive to change.
These together will make us or break us.

If we break so be it.
If we do not.
we shall become as gods.

Hjarloprillar

[Skip]

What sort of gods shall we become?

[socratus]

Subject: A philosophy of science.
An opinion: the philosophy of science is still not science.
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[tillingborn]

Subject: A philosophy of science.
An opinion: the philosophy of science is still not science.
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True enough. So what is science?

[John K]

Subject: A philosophy of science.
An opinion: the philosophy of science is still not science.
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That's not what is being stated. Philosophy of science, not philosophy is science.

[socratus]

Subject: A philosophy of science.
An opinion: the philosophy of science is still not science.
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That's not what is being stated. Philosophy of science, not philosophy is science.

Philosophy of science without formulas and laws is neither philosophy nor science.
Philosophy of science without formulas and laws is tautology:
my opinion - your opinion, positivism, idealism, materialism, creationism ,
skeptics’ or optimistic argument , i believe – you believe . . . etc . . . without end.
Only quantum formulas and laws can logical explain us the beginning of Existence
and the “Philosophy of science”
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[socratus]

Subject: A philosophy of science.
An opinion: the philosophy of science is still not science.
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True enough. So what is science?

Science is that, what we don’t know.
That, what we know is engineering.
/ Pyotr Leonidovich Kapitsa /
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[John K]

Philosophy of science without formulas and laws is neither philosophy nor science.
Philosophy of science without formulas and laws is tautology:
my opinion - your opinion, positivism, idealism, materialism, creationism ,
skeptics’ or optimistic argument , i believe – you believe . . . etc . . . without end.
Only quantum formulas and laws can logical explain us the beginning of Existence
and the “Philosophy of science”
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Ah, but out of this seeming chaos, patterns emerge.

[socratus]

Philosophy of science without formulas and laws is neither philosophy nor science.
Philosophy of science without formulas and laws is tautology:
my opinion - your opinion, positivism, idealism, materialism, creationism ,
skeptics’ or optimistic argument , i believe – you believe . . . etc . . . without end.
Only quantum formulas and laws can logical explain us the beginning of Existence
and the “Philosophy of science”
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Ah, but out of this seeming chaos, patterns emerge.

Sorry, can you explain about what “ patterns emerge” you are saying .
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[John K]

Sorry, can you explain about what “ patterns emerge” you are saying .
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Chaos theory suggests that what initially appears as disorder might be anything but. In other words, the pre-Socratics don't really differ too much from modern thought. That "pattern" is what binds the two schools. Consider the chaos triangle.

[Hjarloprillar]

John. you are jumping around socratus.

he demands locked phenomenology.

i am of both schools. and tho not wiser.. certainly more flexible..
my ONE skill is conceptual [ism]

Where science. is but the sharp tool in the shed.

back later. tired

[socratus]

Chaos theory suggests that what initially appears as disorder might be anything but.
In other words, the pre-Socratics don't really differ too much from modern thought.
That "pattern" is what binds the two schools.
Consider the chaos triangle.

Chaos . . . . What is Chaos Theory?
Chaos is the science of surprises, of the nonlinear and the unpredictable.
It teaches us to expect the unexpected.
While most traditional science deals with supposedly predictable phenomena
like gravity, electricity, or chemical reactions,
Chaos Theory deals with nonlinear things that are effectively impossible
to predict or control, like turbulence, weather, the stock market, our brain states, and so on.
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Order / Disorder Chaos is not simply disorder.
Chaos explores the transitions between order and disorder,
which often occur in surprising ways.
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http://fractalfoundation.org/resources/ ... os-theory/

We don’t know these “surprising ways.”
Maybe therefore Albert Einstein said:
“ As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain,
and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.”

http://fractalfoundation.org/resources/ ... os-theory/
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[socratus]

John. you are jumping around socratus.

he demands locked phenomenology.

i am of both schools. and tho not wiser.. certainly more flexible..
my ONE skill is conceptual [ism]

Where science. is but the sharp tool in the shed.

back later. tired

Correct.
I need the details.
I want to know the " surprising ways" of " the transitions between order and disorder "
And if the God exist I want to know the details of His existence.
Because the True God is in the Details (and not in common words)
And these Details can be only Quantum’s Details.
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[Hjarloprillar]

what is amusing is chaos of me ripping movie from video. chaos with J Stathem
at same time i commented above. [posting while pc' processes 'sorts it out]

synchronicity ? or applied chaos theory.

As a generalist. cannot say.

john and socratus need to come to agreement. i work from there.

Hjarloprillar

[Hjarloprillar]

"I need the details.
I want to know the " surprising ways" of " the transitions between order and disorder "
And if the God exist I want to know the details of His existence.
Because the True God is in the Details (and not in common words)"
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amen



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i have ideas on details. outside our universe. is one.
but
"Science is that, what we don’t know.
That, what we know is engineering."
[socratus]

as an engineer...you see the formidable attraction in this conversation