Does This Make Sense?

[SpheresOfBalance]

Concerning war.
i suggest few others are shy of the skirmish of Arising UK and SOB. a constant source of amusement.,keep it up.
we wait for next witty repartee or knife in gut.,,

Be true and give a good show
for we are all walking shadows.

To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow; a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Yes, you are correct, sometimes, time is seemingly wasted, not on self, but rather on others. They may never see, yet the time was really not wasted, if the original intent be true and unselfish, as worth is not always seen, only through the eyes of success. It's like the wave effect.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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[SpheresOfBalance]

Because you're selfish!

Nope, its because I've actually been involved in movements that seek to change a situation. Its easy to say what not to do, much harder to say what to do and then go out and attempt to do it.
So, yours was not necessarily a definitive experience, and you chose your level of interaction, as I seek mine. How effective were you? Why is that the case? Who is to say which is better, gets more results. By the way I found out something interesting the other day that pertains to our argument, especially as it pertains to previous ignorant points of yours. So here you go:

"The United Nations: World Food Program (WFP) is the largest humanitarian program in the world and has been in existence for over half a century."

"65 percent of the world's hungry live in only seven countries: India, China, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Pakistan and Ethiopia."

"In either 2008 or 2009 (not sure which) they (WFP) gave 3.3 Million Metric Tons to 90 million people in more than 80 countries

"30% of food for the program passes through one port in Norfolk Virginia, USA"

"In 2008 the USA was the leading donor to the World Food Program with more than $2 billion of food contributions.
Saudi Arabia ranked second, with more than $500 million"

Do you really pay attention, or NOT! As I've ALREADY told you, you try and box people in your preconceived notions, that do not account for ones time, life, learning curve, got to eat, current educated state, etc, you've got to be some child, my wife was probably correct, how old are you really, as only a child does not account for what I just highlighted, not enough experience to do so! Either that, or you're a moron. Which is it?

Neither. I find it laughable that you use this as an excuse when you don't think it may apply it to those who poach. Instead you just think them 'murderers' who should, if you had your way, be killed.
Again you're seemingly dense, as to my meaning, which I have explained, as you seemingly project lies to support your argument. Meaning that you only care about winning, and not the issue at hand; that the facts through understanding, mean less to you, than stating your case, which doesn't really exist.

would seem you have problems accounting for 'now,' being a resultant of 'then.' Not very smart, are you?

But 'then' you did something, help kill people, 'now' you do nothing to assuage what you rail about, i.e. save the large mammals. What changed?
No, you cannot know this, that I did anything to kill, that's your assumption. But immaterial as well, as I was very young when I started working for the DOD. OK, since you're seemingly so dense:
While all are culpable, to one extent or another, which is more so, and does it matter?
The soldier that pulls the trigger, the authority that orders him to do so, the manufacturer that produces it, or the taxpayers that pay for it all. One can always leave the country, and find some unclaimed coral atoll, an archipelago.
Your logic is flawed. One is not to be held accountable, intellectually, for the acts of a human construct, created long before they were born, that they were programmed to do, as the young mind that they were, in a society thought to be their own, as they, like all children, try and be accepted, by what they believe to be, their kind. Wise, usually older, adults, are the only ones capable of finding any real quantity of truly free will, as they can always seek the unclaimed atoll.

Also, I've apparently done plenty, look at that statistic in red above again, so as to visit your folly.

Yes, I thought it might escape you.

Why? Because I think this idea of the 'universes constructs' pretty much meaningless when contrasted to 'mans constructs' as they only have meaning via mans constructs. Unless of course you believe in a 'god', etc.
The universe is "god," you fool! One way or another, this is a fact as it pertains to human existence. The only argument is, as to either intelligent purposeful creation, or arbitrary chance creation. And that, at this stage, is merely a flip of a coin, not very certain, huh?

Not that it really matters, "Arising_uk," but where do you think the UK was on that whole list, as partially referenced above in red? There is quite a disparity between the number one and number two spot, don't you think?

Per chance, do you live on an atoll, in international waters, "Arising_uk?"

But the real question is, "your honesty, yes your honesty," while you do the math, as presented throughout this message, as to your place in the equation. Or to be fair, it might be ignorance, show me which it is, in how you choose to respond.

[SpheresOfBalance]

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Looks like they got caught in progress. This type of thing is a shame indeed! And can only spell out mankind's ignorance, the dumb, fucking monkey, that he is. It shall surely be his undoing though, mark my words.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Yes, I think you are right.

The shame. It should cut deeper.



My ego stops it when the feeling may actually shock me...






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[Arising_uk]

Yes, I think you are right.
The shame. It should cut deeper.

My ego stops it when the feeling may actually shock me...

Your ego feels no shame and is morally bankrupt as whilst you attempt to raise shame and moral umbrage with the elephant gif you appear to think it acceptable to reproduce of gif of some mothers son probably dying. Do you think that the mother of that man would appreciate knowing that her son's death has been used in such a puerile way? That it's trivialised by such as you just to feed your pathetic needs.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Yes, I think you are right.
The shame. It should cut deeper.

My ego stops it when the feeling may actually shock me...

Your ego feels no shame and is morally bankrupt as whilst you attempt to raise shame and moral umbrage with the elephant gif you appear to think it acceptable to reproduce of gif of some mothers son probably dying. Do you think that the mother of that man would appreciate knowing that her son's death has been used in such a puerile way? That it's trivialised by such as you just to feed your pathetic needs.

Obviously he's committing suicide, and while extremely difficult to watch, it was his decision to make a public display of himself, in the process. But I do agree that I wish Bill would post more peaceful gifs. The death and destruction stuff, while truthful, it's also painful.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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I thank you for your well focused critique.



I think I actually do feel shame. It's just that I wish I could feel it more. Which is weird to say. I wish it could cut deeper.

It's really a hard emotion for me to literally express.


I may be morally bankrupt to a large degree. Morals really don't guide me. I've done some horrible stuff in my life but I've never really hurt anyone intentionally. My lack of morality is expressed in non-intention. Non-effort.


The use of the GIF of the individual being electrocuted is shocking...Pardon me.

I don't think I could make the mother feel any worse by her viewing this. She has the benefit of knowing the background of her son and what actually lead him to that moment.



Most of my needs could be viewed as pathetic.



Thanks again for your insights.


Here's another one for you;





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[Arising_uk]

You really are a fucking arse. Its why I think all your platitudes and 'ways' and pseudo-pretentions to philosophical thought are just that.

[Arising_uk]

Obviously he's committing suicide, and while extremely difficult to watch, it was his decision to make a public display of himself, ...

I see, so the sad and disturbed are fair game for the immoral puerile voyeur. Why not go the whole hog and shout "Jump!".

[Arising_uk]

Over here we have a saying, "He's a member of the green ink brigade."

So, yours was not necessarily a definitive experience, and you chose your level of interaction, as I seek mine. How effective were you? ...

One out of three.

Why is that the case? ...

Because the one had wider support amongst the populace and it had an economic base.

Who is to say which is better, gets more results. ...

Not what I say, what I say is that if one is going to moralise about a situation then one ought to be doing something concrete about it.

By the way I found out something interesting the other day that pertains to our argument, especially as it pertains to previous ignorant points of yours. So here you go:

"The United Nations: World Food Program (WFP) is the largest humanitarian program in the world and has been in existence for over half a century."

"65 percent of the world's hungry live in only seven countries: India, China, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Pakistan and Ethiopia."

"In either 2008 or 2009 (not sure which) they (WFP) gave 3.3 Million Metric Tons to 90 million people in more than 80 countries

"30% of food for the program passes through one port in Norfolk Virginia, USA"

"In 2008 the USA was the leading donor to the World Food Program with more than $2 billion of food contributions.
Saudi Arabia ranked second, with more than $500 million"

You want to really help the hungry of the world? Then funnily enough I'm with bob evenson on this, lobby governments to drop all import tariffs to those countries and stop subsidising farmers in their own. Food aid does little more than distort the markets of those countries and make it uneconomic for their farmers to compete, as how do you compete with 'free' food. It also allows the governments of those countries(often dictatorships) to ignore their responsibilities and much of that food doesn't actually get to those who most need it as it often gets stolen or hoarded by those in power.

Your figures sound impressive but there appear to be about 870 million hungry people in the world so 90 million only helps 10% approximately.

Its not surprising that 65% of the hungry live in those countries as they are just over 46% of the worlds population.

Again you're seemingly dense, as to my meaning, which I have explained, as you seemingly project lies to support your argument. Meaning that you only care about winning, and not the issue at hand; that the facts through understanding, mean less to you, than stating your case, which doesn't really exist.

What are you waffling about now!? Do you deny that earlier in this thread you said that killing these poachers would be your solution. I'm just pointing out the irony that you do not consider them to have recourse to your excuses.

No, you cannot know this, that I did anything to kill, that's your assumption. ...

One based upon the fact that the US DOD is not a maker of fairy cakes.

But immaterial as well, as I was very young when I started working for the DOD.

As may be the poacher.

OK, since you're seemingly so dense:
While all are culpable, to one extent or another, which is more so, and does it matter?
The soldier that pulls the trigger, the authority that orders him to do so, the manufacturer that produces it, or the taxpayers that pay for it all. One can always leave the country, and find some unclaimed coral atoll, an archipelago.
Your logic is flawed. One is not to be held accountable, intellectually, for the acts of a human construct, created long before they were born, that they were programmed to do, as the young mind that they were, in a society thought to be their own, as they, like all children, try and be accepted, by what they believe to be, their kind. Wise, usually older, adults, are the only ones capable of finding any real quantity of truly free will, as they can always seek the unclaimed atoll. ...

Wise old adults accept their culpability and live with it. The less wise try to change the situation.

Also, I've apparently done plenty, look at that statistic in red above again, so as to visit your folly.

Read my response to understand yours.

The universe is "god," you fool! One way or another, this is a fact as it pertains to human existence. The only argument is, as to either intelligent purposeful creation, or arbitrary chance creation. And that, at this stage, is merely a flip of a coin, not very certain, huh?

The only argument is that both are a waste of philosophical time as they are pointless metaphysics from the point of philosophy now.

Not that it really matters, "Arising_uk," but where do you think the UK was on that whole list, as partially referenced above in red? There is quite a disparity between the number one and number two spot, don't you think?

Per chance, do you live on an atoll, in international waters, "Arising_uk?"

Nope I live on an island. One affiliated with the EU which gives about 29% of all 'food aid'. Of that group the UK is the largest donator.

But see my thoughts above about the whole matter.

But the real question is, "your honesty, yes your honesty," while you do the math, as presented throughout this message, as to your place in the equation. Or to be fair, it might be ignorance, show me which it is, in how you choose to respond.

I did, and think on the whole that my solution would do the hungry of the world more good.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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I thought that my continued openness, as expressed above, would further endear you to me.



Don't know if I'm doin it wrong or if I am just openly despicable...









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[Arising_uk]

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I thought that my continued openness, as expressed above, would further endear you to me.

Don't know if I'm doin it wrong or if I am just openly despicable...

The latter.

As example, that you again made a joke at the dead mans expense and that you then decided to treat your fellow workers accident as yet another source of amusement for yourself. 'The Way' my arse.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Oh wait a minute...You used the word, amusement.



I didn't use the word, amusement...





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From Wikipedia:


Amusement is the state of experiencing humorous and entertaining events or situations, and is associated with enjoyment, happiness, laughter and pleasure.

Current studies have not yet reached consensus on the exact purpose of amusement, though theories have been advanced in the fields of psychology, psychiatry and sociology. In addition, the precise mechanism that causes a given element (image, sound, behavior, etc.) to be perceived as more or less 'amusing' than another, similar element to a particular individual is not clearly understood.






Perhaps amusement is what you experienced, which, in itself is very telling, but amusement was not my intent.





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[Arising_uk]

Given you made another pun on the word shocked and then thought it fit to show workers being electrocuted to reinforce your puerile point I think it exactly for your own amusement that you post such stuff.