A brief definition on the Nature of Pride

[The Voice of Time]

While I was thinking an idea came to me about a possible meaning of "pride", as I'd been practising self-reflection and introspection to figure out how my own pride worked and got affected by things (with or without my continuous conscious knowledge) and the results thereof. The definition I landed on was:

Pride is the product of prepared idealism whose function is to define a a spectrum of abilities available for use. When pride is hurt, there is a malfunction in the delivery of what is prepared for, and the human being is left in a crippled state of ability, leading to a need for channelling out ones energy through alternative means, such as anger, grief, misery and the likes.

Is there some aspect of pride I am here missing and which might challenge the definition for lacking thoroughness? May I perhaps be entirely wrong? Is there a chance this definition overlaps with other aspects of the mind?

[tbieter]

While I was thinking an idea came to me about a possible meaning of "pride", as I'd been practising self-reflection and introspection to figure out how my own pride worked and got affected by things (with or without my continuous conscious knowledge) and the results thereof. The definition I landed on was:

Pride is the product of prepared idealism whose function is to define a a spectrum of abilities available for use. When pride is hurt, there is a malfunction in the delivery of what is prepared for, and the human being is left in a crippled state of ability, leading to a need for channelling out ones energy through alternative means, such as anger, grief, misery and the likes.

Is there some aspect of pride I am here missing and which might challenge the definition for lacking thoroughness? May I perhaps be entirely wrong? Is there a chance this definition overlaps with other aspects of the mind?

I usually begin my thinking about a concept by considering the dictionary definition:
pride (prd)
n.
1. A sense of one's own proper dignity or value; self-respect.
2. Pleasure or satisfaction taken in an achievement, possession, or association: parental pride.
3. Arrogant or disdainful conduct or treatment; haughtiness.
4.
a. A cause or source of pleasure or satisfaction; the best of a group or class: These soldiers were their country's pride.
b. The most successful or thriving condition; prime: the pride of youth.
5. An excessively high opinion of oneself; conceit.
6. Mettle or spirit in horses.
7. A company of lions. See Synonyms at flock1.
8. A flamboyant or impressive group: a pride of acrobats.
tr.v. prid·ed, prid·ing, prides

Who is the author of the "definition" of pride that you quote? And what is the context of the quotation?

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Each of us are immersed in pride.


Pride that destroys the beauty & infinity of each of our moments.




* We are so proud of ourselves and our opinions we embrace all that is evil and we will hear nothing else...unless forced to face our mortality.







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[mickthinks]

Who is the author of the "definition" of pride that you quote? And what is the context of the quotation?

I'm with Tom. I don't recognise your definition of Pride, VoT, and indeed, I don't understand why you think it is a definition of Pride. I hope you can say a bit more about how you came by it and what it means to you.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Yes I see that, while very smart, sometimes TVoT overcompensates due to his pride, by thinking that the more complex a definition, the more accurate it is, and the more brilliant he is perceived.
I call your attention to music, that the silence between notes is often more important than the notes themselves.

I see that tbieter is correct, that the definition to be found in dictionaries, is quite good enough, and that if one wants to delve further into the reason for such things, then they really have to turn to psychology for the answer.

But I do commend TVoT for addressing such a thing within himself, and think that we all should visit this question as often as possible, as well as selfishness, which is closely related.

[The Voice of Time]

I usually begin my thinking about a concept by considering the dictionary definition:
pride (prd)
n.
1. A sense of one's own proper dignity or value; self-respect.
2. Pleasure or satisfaction taken in an achievement, possession, or association: parental pride.
3. Arrogant or disdainful conduct or treatment; haughtiness.
4.
a. A cause or source of pleasure or satisfaction; the best of a group or class: These soldiers were their country's pride.
b. The most successful or thriving condition; prime: the pride of youth.
5. An excessively high opinion of oneself; conceit.
6. Mettle or spirit in horses.
7. A company of lions. See Synonyms at flock1.
8. A flamboyant or impressive group: a pride of acrobats.
tr.v. prid·ed, prid·ing, prides

Who is the author of the "definition" of pride that you quote? And what is the context of the quotation?

I am the author. The problem with those dictionary definitions is that they do not refer to nature, so there is no possibility to understand the "depth" of it except how often people can come to use it (and even then the dictionary is at fault, as a dictionary is only an "attempt" at covering the number of times, and not an "answer" to it, why at all people care about the dictionary for truth has puzzled me a lot since it's just an aid for those with little or no exposure to the word in the real world: that is, translators, or to find the meaning of a rarely used word).

But how people use a word is not very interesting because people always make up how they use a word for social circumstances. Those become fictions of poor quality perceptions, like grannies with too poor glasses to see clearly. When you ask the question of the Nature of Something it becomes a question for taking ordinary words and coupling them with a deeper reality with greater room for understanding little differences and greater room for finding out what to do about. It can all be linked to other natural phenomena and suddenly you've gone from a speculative word to a word with deep roots in our understanding of nature.

There is no context to the quotation because it was a single addition to my own journal minutes before I wrote it here.

[The Voice of Time]

Yes I see that, while very smart, sometimes TVoT overcompensates due to his pride, by thinking that the more complex a definition, the more accurate it is, and the more brilliant he is perceived.

I would fiercely be against this view of me. There is no proof for this, if things become complex it is so by chance and not by intention. I have no need for people perceiving me as brilliant, I'm only interested in how things are. If I meet oversimplifying people, I will make things more complex, if I meet overcomplexifying people, I will make things more simple.

That being said, reality is always more complex, and it becomes so as you increase the number of things relative to what you are talking about.

But, your statement is offensive gibberish, there's no grounds for it. Thoughts on my pride was not in relation to this forum, but to other wakes of life. I do in fact have a life outside of this forum.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Yes I see that, while very smart, sometimes TVoT overcompensates due to his pride, by thinking that the more complex a definition, the more accurate it is, and the more brilliant he is perceived.

I would fiercely be against this view of me. There is no proof for this, if things become complex it is so by chance and not by intention. I have no need for people perceiving me as brilliant, I'm only interested in how things are. If I meet oversimplifying people, I will make things more complex, if I meet overcomplexifying people, I will make things more simple.

That being said, reality is always more complex, and it becomes so as you increase the number of things relative to what you are talking about.

But, your statement is offensive gibberish, there's no grounds for it. Thoughts on my pride was not in relation to this forum, but to other wakes of life. I do in fact have a life outside of this forum.

I'm sorry that you fear speaking of the truth as it pertains to everyone, as everyone can speak a simpler version of the matter if they choose to.

Pride is simply selfishness as one views oneself or one/thing they care about. It is an evil virtue as it usually fails to consider others not on ones acceptable list. Pride should be thrown away, as one of the many things that creates 'US and THEM' and negates US. It is the reason you took offense, instead of stating that I too am guilty of such things, which would be true, of all us supposed intelligent animals, at one time or another.

[The Voice of Time]

Pride is natural to all humans. It is inseparable of any person, it is an inherent characteristic of us all. Every waking moment of your life you will live with pride, and there is no way you can remove it, only change it to a different form of pride. Good management of ones pride is important to us all, or else we turn vegetables.

[The Voice of Time]

As a new question: does pride need to carry a recognition of importance?

Is it possible to be proud of something, knowing that it certainly is not important... ?

Because I was partially sure that my definition was not correct when I wrote it, not because it was wrong, but because it was incomplete. It's why I wondered if it was overlapping with something else. I was wondering about what extra piece of spice rendered something into pride and differed it from the rest of the emotions we experience.

A couple of features of pride I find to be, first, an experience of exaltation, in some degree or another, that something or someone is or have done something which is more important than something else, and that the experience flushes emotions through us and I think whose purpose those emotions are (in a practical sense, or maybe call it an evolutionary sense) is to make us highly sensitive and affective before things that are important (and within our reach, so we feel proud only of those things that already have love in our heart, like our children, friends, spouses, groups, countries and so forth, and don't fall prey to things that are not good for us, like enemies or dangerous things).

[marjoramblues]

While I was thinking an idea came to me about a possible meaning of "pride". The definition I landed on was:

Pride is the product of prepared idealism whose function is to define a a spectrum of abilities available for use. When pride is hurt, there is a malfunction in the delivery of what is prepared for, and the human being is left in a crippled state of ability, leading to a need for channelling out ones energy through alternative means, such as anger, grief, misery and the likes.

Is there some aspect of pride I am here missing and which might challenge the definition for lacking thoroughness? May I perhaps be entirely wrong? Is there a chance this definition overlaps with other aspects of the mind?

A 'brief' definition on the Nature of Pride and its function - is it possible...? Worth an exploration...

What do you mean by a 'prepared idealism' which offers a range of abilities ? Perhaps a set of expectations as to what can/should be achieved.
So, if unable to meet the challenge set, by self or society, then there can be a loss of self-respect. Pride, linked with self-esteem - related to a sense of worth.
The consequences of non-achievement, perceived failure will vary according to individual, context and culture.

Again, taking the previous dictionary definitions as a starting point -

1. A sense of one's own proper dignity or value; self-respect.
2. Pleasure or satisfaction taken in an achievement, possession, or association: parental pride.
3. Arrogant or disdainful conduct or treatment; haughtiness.
4.
a. A cause or source of pleasure or satisfaction; the best of a group or class: These soldiers were their country's pride.
b. The most successful or thriving condition; prime: the pride of youth.
5. An excessively high opinion of oneself; conceit

It is clear that pride has both positive and negative associations; compare 1. and 2. with 3. and 5.

One of the defintions 4b is quite interesting; the pride of youth.
Do you think that age is a related issue. Might young children exhibit real pride in their drawings, and not be so concerned as to their relative worth. How early do we start to feel pride. When did you last feel proud, and of whom, what?

The function of pride, then part of growth; but don't we learn early on not to show too much of this emotion...
So, linked to survival... and 'getting along'...

[marjoramblues]

Pride is natural to all humans. It is inseparable of any person, it is an inherent characteristic of us all. Every waking moment of your life you will live with pride, and there is no way you can remove it, only change it to a different form of pride. Good management of ones pride is important to us all, or else we turn vegetables.

I was with you all the way until turning into a vegetable.

[The Voice of Time]

Vegetables is a derogatory term for retardation (especially mental, usually quite severe retardation). My remark was that without pride you simply do not function. It is nearly as important as the air your breathe, if you were to strip it entirely off yourself your life would be very short, not because of suicide, but because you'd loose track of "value" itself, the concept of value, and you'd not be able to reason or judge things. Your self and humanity would wither in what may be no time at all, and left is a zombie or "vegetable"; completely dependent human being for most of the basic ways of living.

If we presume my last post to be true, the one after the one you quoted. Then without pride how are you gonna stick to reality? If you can not show love for things that are important and maintain an "affair" (a sense of pride) with those things, then where would your mind go? Everywhere and nowhere (not literally of course, because we have other emotions as well, but close to that, yes).

In our ordinary lives we do not see pride unless it is expressed quite clearly and therefore we could mistake it for only applying to a narrow set of particular situations, maybe a point from SpheresOfBalance there, whatever stupid and offensive thing he tried to say, and this mistake would be part of what I'm clearing up in, as seeing things in those ways like the dictionary does, does not deliver any answers for anything beyond the circular argumentation, and for anybody studying pride the dictionary is a dead-end with the possible exception of when you are the earliest possible stages of figuring it out.

[The Voice of Time]

The function of pride, then part of growth; but don't we learn early on not to show too much of this emotion...
So, linked to survival... and 'getting along'...

It's not healthy to hold back pride and it is damaging to children's development. To learn to be proud of oneself and ones achievements is a basic necessity in learning about the tools for acquiring a good life and to honour justice (nourish honour with pride as an incentive, makes people supportive, loyal and ready to do "their part").

Unless you have a very bizarre view of human nature, you might else be thinking about "appropriate" pride; that we learn to show pride for the things our parents and teacher and the likes think is right, and shame for the opposite.

[The Voice of Time]

SoB I don't think you were realizing what you were actually saying, and that you might be needing some self-reflection yourself. You implicated that my interest was only in playing tricks with words to harvest self-esteem, in so doing you trivialize and discard my work.

I take my work very seriously when I conduct it, I have a very genuine interest in philosophy I've had almost all my life. You pervert one of the things I hold the most dear to me, framing it as if I am only playing a joke with people. You very much hurt my pride when you say such perverted things, because one of the things I am the most proud of is that when I do philosophy I MEAN BUSINESS! There's no fuckings joke or trick in this, if I get pride in this forum it is not from any of you, but only from the realization of myself, the self-recognition of my expressions, as I do the one thing that is the most dear to me of all my daily activities.