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Yet it had more than 500 views!
As marjoramblues said, because the title is intriguing. Actually, also because most people want to help, to offer their experience and knowledge.
Why view it in the first place if they don't care?
They only stopped caring when they saw the OP. Dense, solid, self-involved, cramped & caged*. No way in.

*I like that description.
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Thanks for that, Skip.
You said it better!
Where/how did you learn your craft?

Found this piece on 'Editing',with follow-up comments :
http://www.dailywritingtips.com/how-to- ... r-writing/

'Look out for:
Typos and misspellings (a good tip here is to read backwards! You’ll go much more slowly, focussing on every individual word).
• Clumsy sentences and confusing or misleading phrasing (try reading your work aloud).
• Unnecessary words (check for the ones in Five Words You Can Cut).
• Commonly misused or confused words (there’s a whole list of these in the Misused Words category).

If you’re not 100% sure about a spelling, double-check with a dictionary: try Merriam-Webster for clear, succinct definitions. When you can’t quite find the right word, using a thesaurus can help (again, Merriam-Webster is good).'


Hope this helps.
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Thinking aloud.
Apologies.
I did it again. I skipped over something I didn't understand.
Literary theory.

Voice, your aim is 'to find generalised truths and good measures of how to make these stories'.

And 'With a bit of building of foundations of reasoning for figuring things out like a literary theorist. That is, you have to expand a network of ideas that all work coherently to describe how a given way of writing, given some conditions, will produce a specific result. Many small products of trial and error in relation to each other produce a complex of thoroughly tried out units of truth that together make a larger idea of truth'

I'm going to have to read more about this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literary_theory

At first glance, it seems unbelievably complex...
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Ah well, I use literary theory in the vague sense... in my own sense of the word, which kinda means whatever I need it to mean at any given time, but you should get the vague idea what it means.
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Bright spark

http://sparkcharts.sparknotes.com/lit/l ... ction6.php

So... what, if any, interpretive tool or system did you vaguely have in mind earlier?

Enjoying the game...but at this point de-cluttering my house is a more attractive option...and if you knew how much I hate housework...

Actually, wow - a Damascus moment - a change of perspective, thanks for that.
The joys of slash'n'burn.
The Editing of Things. Clothes. Quality v Quantity. Yay :)

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona ... and%20burn

Be free.
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marjoramblues wrote:So... what, if any, interpretive tool or system did you vaguely have in mind earlier?
None. I'm in the figuring out process.
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I got that you were:
'...genuinely interested in experimenting with it to figure out of it like a scientist... or in this case a literary theorist.'

So...are you now saying that you are 'figuring out' what literary theory or tool to use to 'figure out'...er...what exactly ?
You've lost me. To produce a story ?

Come on, Voice, spit it out. It's choking you. Pretend I'm gonna kill you if you don't tell me in 10 seconds flat.
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marjoramblues wrote:Thanks for that, Skip.
You said it better!
Where/how did you learn your craft?
The craft of writing, partly in school, partly by trial and error, mostly by reading those who have mastered it (Ray Bradbury was a hero of mine, as is John LeCarre.) Oddly enough, i find it easier to be concise on forums than in creative writing - suspect it's the constant threat of my internet connection going off.
It helps, too, to have edited a science writer and a poet - very different challenges; similar egos.

While i do appreciate some coined words, they can be confusing; i appreciate even more the felicitous use of words that already exist. After all, English if huge!
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marjoramblues wrote:I got that you were:
'...genuinely interested in experimenting with it to figure out of it like a scientist... or in this case a literary theorist.'

So...are you now saying that you are 'figuring out' what literary theory or tool to use to 'figure out'...er...what exactly ?
You've lost me. To produce a story ?

Come on, Voice, spit it out. It's choking you. Pretend I'm gonna kill you if you don't tell me in 10 seconds flat.
Okay. The problem is that it's difficult to speak about it without having created concepts yet. I lack conceptualization to be able to abstract text and use it to create objects of study. For the most my interests have been more in the use of... well now I'll have to invent a new concept (neologism)... a "wave surge", that is, I'm interested in how you come about to raise the feelings of people in a text from any position of more informing writing to one of spectacularity, a feeling of meaning and mystic purposes and the like derived from a previously drier situating.

A Conceptualization:

Let me exemplify: given any story, a person needs a loading and a sudden offload in which for each step of the offload, the previously loaded information is caught down a tube of excitement. The loading process must contain a field of comfort that causes a person to emotionally attach themselves to the contents and characters of the story, depending on each of our individual preferences (usually differing slightly or drastically across the stages of our life) we will think differently of what comforts us.

The offloading must shake that same comfort zone either with terror, mystics, joys, romance, violence, surprise... it happens with either the promise/prospect of "shaking" or the actuality of it. I have a couple of other stories that are experiments in this regard (links here: http://sdrv.ms/14xYVC9 and here: http://sdrv.ms/11IRXZU).

Examples:

First link are three short examples of the beginning of stories. First one has a longer introduction with lots of descriptions before a more "please turn the next page"-ending, in other words it ends with the "promise" type of shaking. Second is also very descriptive but the whole description is a big shake with mystics before a soft briefly situating landing at the ending. The last one is again situating, slightly dry, before discarding itself to promise a greater tale elsewhere, therefore it shakes with surprise, and the uncertainty of whether the characters will return later.

The second link is part of a series of letters I sent to a woman called Mary as part of creating a story for her to see the inside of one of my fantasy realms, there I again shake with a lot of mystics and promise, however, the promise is in the beginning of the text and not in the ending, and the mystics as well, the ending is promising but also a bit of a soft landing.
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Have you heard the sound of the losing horn in game shows?

Sorry, Voice, but you're dead. I gave you 10 seconds... :(

OK, I'll give you a break...10 sentences. OK?
Really, in plain English - or try your own language and I'll Google translate - that should be fun. Oh, I wonder if we will eventually be able to plug in a philo text and see what Google comes up with...

Anyway, fast needing to lose philo convo for a bit. Over to Italiano.
Ciao baby...


Skip - thanks again ! Loved discovering more about you - your reading, writing and red-inking experiences.
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OK, couldn't resist the pull to find out more about how gamers might talk about their experiences. This is not exactly what I think you are after, Voice - still figuring that one out. However, I found this a good read:

http://kotaku.com/5959147/i-was-ashamed ... ay-anymore

Really got to get on with other things now...
Bye...
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