How Government Whittles Away Freedom

[mtmynd1]

I guess you haven't been following the news. Obama has hit the trifecta: (1)lying to the American public about Benghazi, [2]using the IRS to harass his enemies, and [3]spying on the news media.[/size] You don't think we should be fearful of the government? Since you obviously don't know it, the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is not about hunting or protecting people from common criminals, it's about being able to resist an oppressive government.

Re: [1]

The Whitehouse released 100 pages of Benghazi emails this week. CBS News reported on Thursday that the actual emails differ from what the Republicans released. In other wordsRepublicans doctored the emails they released to the mainstream media and used the mainstream media to create a false scandal[/size].

Re: [2]

Commissioner Douglas H. Shulman, who was appointed by President Bush in 2008 and held by President Obama, left the agency in Nov. 9, 2012. Any pre-election misconduct would have had to occur on his watch.

Re: [3] Insofar as there’s a “scandal” here, it’s more about what is legal than what isn’t. The DoJ simply has extraordinary power, under existing law, to spy on ordinary citizens — members of the media included. The White House is trying to change existing law by encouraging Sen. Chuck Schumer to reintroduce the Media Shield Act. The Post’s Rachel Weiner has a good rundown of what the bill would do. It’s likely that the measure’s national security exemption would make it relatively toothless in this particular case, but if Congress is worried, they always can — and probably should — take that language out. Still, that legislation has been killed by Republicans before, and it’s likely to be killed by them again.

[bobevenson]

Government and religion are our two most dangerous institutions, and can lead us to perdition alone or in concert.

[mtmynd1]

"... the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution has nothing to do with the present government, but refers only to a future oppressive government.

The way of the giant Corporations, whose power can do without any government's interference (and indeed, is fighting for that right), should be regarded with a great deal of suspicion, whose power literally controls the limited resources of the earth, has the wealth and power to oppress virtually any country on earth including the USA, despite this country having handed over those keys of absolutism to them graciously, [btw: the majority of Congressional Republicans are mostly responsible for passing laws that favor these Giants of Greed]

As I said earlier: If you want to be fearful of something, don't pick your government but perhaps the officials that you have vote for that are unstable. Rather direct your fear against the exploding power of the Corporocracy that has a tight grip on those same public officials. How much do any of us know about those corporations that literally control the earth and it's shrinking resources? What names can you spit out behind those anonymous entities that have been given the right to vote in America? Can you vote them out of the positions of authority..? Think about it.

It is not the government we should be concerned about but who is in control of our government.

[mtmynd1]

Government and religion are our two most dangerous institutions, and can lead us to perdition alone or in concert.

What you fail to comprehend, bobevenson, is a basic law of nature, i.e. duality is the driving force in life. Government in and of itself is beneficial to society on many levels that have given the world's people many, many benefits thanks to their balance of giving and receiving. The same is true with religion, an institution that I'm not a great supporter of but I do know religion of any type is what strengthens societies worldwide... the name of the religion is not important but the manner in which it encourages good from their followers makes life more livable, tolerable and even enjoyable.

Throw any of the two out of balance, which I should include giant corporations, and too many suffer the consequences which is normally due to that insidious monster, Greed, that seduces those in power into holding onto it as long as they do not get caught, to hell with the others. Those are the ones that have allowed their addiction to distort and destroy governments and even religions (and corporations!).

Everything in life is subject to duality. It is the balance between the two forces that must be maintained in order for society to continue evolving for the betterment of all.

[bobevenson]

As I said earlier: If you want to be fearful of something, don't pick your government but perhaps the officials that you have voted for that are unstable.

As I've mentioned earlier, the only person I've ever voted for is Champagne Sherry for Homecoming Queen, which I have incorporated into the Champagne Sherry Principle for winning political elections, the operating principle of my proposed American Energy Party (AEP).

[Bill Wiltrack]

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How can I join the American Eneregy Party (AEP)?



How many members are there?

Which state is your American Eneregy Party (AEP) located?



Do American Eneregy Party (AEP) hold ANY offices at this point?



Have you ever run for ANY political office?


Will you be running for an office THIS election cycle - this November?



You seem VERY excited about telling us about this American Eneregy Party (AEP) so I KNOW you will address each simple SPECIFIC question that I am now asking you.





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[bobevenson]

How can I join the American Eneregy Party (AEP)?
Well, it's not in operation yet, but you can become the first member by paying an annual $25.00 membership fee.

How many members are there?
You would be the first.

Which state is your American Eneregy Party (AEP) located?
That hasn't been decided yet, but will be determined by a study to pinpoint the ideal state.

Do American Eneregy Party (AEP) hold ANY offices at this point?
It's not operational yet.

Have you ever run for ANY political office?
No, and I don't plan to.

Will you be running for an office THIS election cycle - this November?
No.

You seem VERY excited about telling us about this American Eneregy Party (AEP) so I KNOW you will address each simple SPECIFIC question that I am now asking you.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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OK. Sure. Sounds GREAT! Where do I se... - hey wait a minute...I've been voting ALL of my life. Affiliated with a political Party and I have NEVER had to pay ANYTHING.


What gives?



Why would anyone pay to be affiliate with ANY political Party?




...and would I be correct in saying that this thing exists ONLY in your head?


...and that since there will not be ANYONE running that is any way affiliated with this party, within this political cycle, I would would be throwing my money away.



...I think you are going to have to get someone in charge of recruiting for you - like right away. You're WAY OUT of your league already...and you haven't even started.



...and, ...oh, by the way, you can stop spewing this shit - like, RIGHT NOW.


I think you are sick dude. Not in a good way.


You are displaying traits that would be totally affiliated with a rapist in real life.


Check yourself dude. You're fucked-up and people are telling you to stop and you keep pushing. You ignore everyone and continue with a fucked-up mindset that no one wants to hear about.


It's OKay that you are dancing to your own drum but implement that party within your own life. Not mine or someone else that DOESN'T WANT IT.


THAT'S THE FUCKED-UP PART.






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[bobevenson]

I've been voting ALL of my life. Affiliated with a political Party and I have NEVER had to pay ANYTHING. What gives? Why would anyone pay to be affiliate with ANY political Party?
I think you get what you pay for, wouldn't you agree?

..and that since there will not be ANYONE running that is any way affiliated with this party, within this political cycle, I would would be throwing my money away.
No, actually our members will in effect be selling our services based on the Champagne Sherry Principle to other parties and candidates. The American Energy Party (AEP) will be set up as a profit-making organization to defray expenses as we gradually execute our primary plan of political domination. I guarantee you that active members will pe paid more than enough to cover their membership fee, way more than enough, my friend.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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[mtmynd1]

... actually our members will in effect be selling our services based on the Champagne Sherry Principle to other parties and candidates. The American Energy Party (AEP) will be set up as a profit-making organization to defray expenses as we gradually execute our primary plan of political domination. I guarantee you that active members will pe paid more than enough to cover their membership fee, way more than enough, my friend.

... and you are on these boards to recruit $25.00 per person to pay for these active members..? you obviously have no interest in anything philosophical as you have not offered anything to excite my imagination in any way...

if i were a moderator of these boards i would certainly follow this scam closely as to not hook anyone here into your ouzo web of deceit and thievery.

farewell, bobevenson...

[bobevenson]

farewell, bobevenson

I pray to God that you don't go back on your word!

[SpheresOfBalance]

It is a no win situation for governments and the judiciary trying to balance negative liberty against positive liberty. The demand for the recognition of rights will invariably result in some other group complaining that their rights have now been compromised.

http://www.plato.stanford.edu/entries/l ... -negative/



Ginkgo

Here is the actual link, for those interested:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liber ... -negative/

[bobevenson]

How about the positive right to be left alone? What is the negative right?

[SpheresOfBalance]

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OK. Sure. Sounds GREAT! Where do I se... - hey wait a minute...I've been voting ALL of my life. Affiliated with a political Party and I have NEVER had to pay ANYTHING.


What gives?



Why would anyone pay to be affiliate with ANY political Party?




...and would I be correct in saying that this thing exists ONLY in your head?


...and that since there will not be ANYONE running that is any way affiliated with this party, within this political cycle, I would would be throwing my money away.



...I think you are going to have to get someone in charge of recruiting for you - like right away. You're WAY OUT of your league already...and you haven't even started.



...and, ...oh, by the way, you can stop spewing this shit - like, RIGHT NOW.


I think you are sick dude. Not in a good way.


You are displaying traits that would be totally affiliated with a rapist in real life.


Check yourself dude. You're fucked-up and people are telling you to stop and you keep pushing. You ignore everyone and continue with a fucked-up mindset that no one wants to hear about.


It's OKay that you are dancing to your own drum but implement that party within your own life. Not mine or someone else that DOESN'T WANT IT.


THAT'S THE FUCKED-UP PART.






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Bill, Bob is just a failed marketer of his lame brained schemes, to sell anyone, anything he can conjure up. And as mtmynd1 points out above, I hope Bob never hooks anyone gullible enough to buy into his BS.