Should imprisonment and jail-sentencing by reasonable?

[The Voice of Time]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z41YRgFll3A

After seeing this (series of) case(s) and a similar case in Norway (which was not about imprisonment but about going to court at all over a person owing government half a dollar and collection agencies increasing the amount by a thousand-fold after taking fees for themselves... btw, in Norway the case was discarded by court authorities as against principles of reasonableness) I have to ask whether law enforcement should not be exercised under a principle of reasonableness as a more vague concept and idea (as opposed to strict definition which makes acting reasonableness very difficult and limited), including taking into account the reasonableness of size of crime and nature of crime when one speak for a possible solution between the offender and the offended so that it's not the principle of the crime that matters, like pocket theft or wrongful parking or the like, but the weighing up of how much it has costed the offended, that matters, and that the solution should not be about destroying the criminal, but about reaching three possible objects:

1) the offended is returned what he or she or it has lost including a share of the possible meanwhile loss as a cause of the prior loss that is relative to the financial and personal capabilities of the offender (unless the object was to disrupt the offended so that "meanwhile losses" were intentional in the crime, then a full share should be demanded)

2) authorities are given guarantees of improved future respect for laws and regulations

and 3) guarantees of the strive for improvement of possible underlying causes for the crime are taken into account, but also as a component of the case in question, such that attendance to work, education and other things that can be socially valuable to decrease dependence on crime as a means for some dissatisfactory expression, are prioritized versus penalisation and also can come into prioritization against things like contract enforcement or immediate fulfilment of penalty if time is the only factor needed to have a notable improvement in a person's character of compliance to law and to some degree society's needs (like finishing a high-demand education that can quickly earn society and him- or herself wealth and important expertise), that is not to say there should necessarily be any guarantees of either, but if society can make a person work, and work like in functioning, and stay compliant to law and regulation, it is far more beneficial than carrying out immediate penalty or full penalty or soar and deteriorate on past mistakes beyond what is sufficient to preserve a sense of justice and society's retributive response to crime.

[reasonvemotion]

VoT

That vid made me so angry.

The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world.

Now, I know why.

Poverty, social injustice, harsh living conditions, takes you back to the days of imprisonment for the theft of bread or shipped out to Australia.

Land of the Free. Bah!

[The Voice of Time]

or shipped out to Australia.

That made me smile xD By many measures, and especially for the people in this video, would probably had benefited from that.

But it must be remembered that given that the US has a very effective court system in general, all that I'm personally waiting for is somebody suing the government for doing these "unconstitutional acts", as the video says. It is only unfortunate that the government has been allowed to do it so far and that nobody has been compensated for it. The lack of responsiveness of high authority, unless the video makers have totally missed that out, is worrying though, since the video seems it is a widespread problem and not just a few cases.

[reasonvemotion]

VoT:

waiting for is somebody suing the government for doing these "unconstitutional acts", as the video says.

If the person can't pay a $30 fine, there is no way in hell they are going to sue the government.

They are down and out, with little fight in them.

It is always the poor that bears the brunt of unconstitutional acts and the system knows this.

[bobevenson]

Imprisonment, fines or any other form of punishment is improper under Evensonomics and the American Energy Party (AEP) for reasons I have cited earlier.

[artisticsolution]

VoT:

waiting for is somebody suing the government for doing these "unconstitutional acts", as the video says.

If the person can't pay a $30 fine, there is no way in hell they are going to sue the government.

They are down and out, with little fight in them.

It is always the poor that bears the brunt of unconstitutional acts and the system knows this.

The poor here have access to free legal aid...I have never used it...but I think esp in this case they will be helped because it is in the public spotlight. Still, the way our constitution is set up, things like this should not happen. You are right to say "land of the free, Bah!"

[bobevenson]

You are right to say "land of the free, Bah!"

At least you can burn the Quran or salute the Nazi party and swastika, and deny the Holocaust without going to jail in the USA, which you can't say about most of Europe, that bastion of oppression.

[tbieter]

Imprisonment, fines or any other form of punishment is improper under Evensonomics and the American Energy Party (AEP) for reasons I have cited earlier.

Should Mr. Ariel Castro, who enslaved and tortured three women in Cleveland for a decade, be immediately set free?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/1 ... d%3D311935


Or should he remain in jail until after his trial.

If he shouldn't be punished, why should he even be prosecuted by the government?

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/punishment/

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/legal-punishment/

[bobevenson]

Imprisonment, fines or any other form of punishment is improper under Evensonomics and the American Energy Party (AEP) for reasons I have cited earlier.

Should Mr. Ariel Castro, who enslaved and tortured three women in Cleveland for a decade, be immediately set free?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/1 ... d%3D311935


Or should he remain in jail until after his trial.

If he shouldn't be punished, why should he even be prosecuted by the government?

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/punishment/

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/legal-punishment/

As a prophet, I can tell you that prisons of any kind should be immediately abolished. If somebody commits a crime, the government can take one of the following three actions:
Punishment
a) For revenge (serves no positive purpose).
b) For rehabilitation (unsupported by evidence).
c) For deterrence (government exploitation).

Restitution
Unequal protection under the law.

Control
Positive action designed to prevent recurrence.

The only proper action is control.

[tbieter]

Imprisonment, fines or any other form of punishment is improper under Evensonomics and the American Energy Party (AEP) for reasons I have cited earlier.

Should Mr. Ariel Castro, who enslaved and tortured three women in Cleveland for a decade, be immediately set free?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/1 ... d%3D311935


Or should he remain in jail until after his trial.

If he shouldn't be punished, why should he even be prosecuted by the government?

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/punishment/

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/legal-punishment/

As a prophet, I can tell you that prisons of any kind should be immediately abolished. If somebody commits a crime, the government can take one of the following three actions:
Punishment
a) For revenge (serves no positive purpose).
b) For rehabilitation (unsupported by evidence).
c) For deterrence (government exploitation).

Restitution
Unequal protection under the law.

Control
Positive action designed to prevent recurrence.

The only proper action is control.

Describe the means or method of control.

[artisticsolution]

You are right to say "land of the free, Bah!"

At least you can burn the Quran or salute the Nazi party and swastika, and deny the Holocaust without going to jail in the USA, which you can't say about most of Europe, that bastion of oppression.

Yeah but most can't go to cuba or open a pawn shop or a casino or compete with the big guys such as exxon or citibank, etc. Hell you can't even have a garage sale...only 2 per year in my city.

I know there are other things that restrict our freedom but I can't think of them all at this moment....

[bobevenson]

You are right to say "land of the free, Bah!"

At least you can burn the Quran or salute the Nazi party and swastika, and deny the Holocaust without going to jail in the USA, which you can't say about most of Europe, that bastion of oppression.

Yeah but most can't go to cuba or open a pawn shop or a casino or compete with the big guys such as exxon or citibank, etc. Hell you can't even have a garage sale...only 2 per year in my city.

I know there are other things that restrict our freedom but I can't think of them all at this moment....

Hell, you even read about the cops closing down a kid's lemonade stand. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of things wrong with the USA, and as a prophet, I guarantee you that only Evensonomics and the American Energy Party (AEP) will ever make them right.

[The Voice of Time]

Bob, may I ask why you call it the "Energy" party, as you've not spoken much about "energy" in terms of electrical energy generation policies ^^

[bobevenson]

Bob, may I ask why you call it the "Energy" party, as you've not spoken much about "energy" in terms of electrical energy generation policies ^^

Energy is the key to economic development. However, things that burn, such as wood, coal, gas, and oil, are destined to be tomorrow's dinosaurs, to be eventually replaced by tapping the energy all around us (E=MC2). No, I'm not talking about atomic fission or fusion plants, I'm talking about more exotic configurations of the future, where energy will be as cheap as the air we breathe.