Number of perceptions reconciled in non-contradictory relations by the conceptual scheme. Theoretical consistency. What I'm able to explain without shifting bases of analysis. i.e. because I'm right!
SpheresOfBalance wrote:but rather that which you have bought into, due to differentiated knowledge.
please explain, I did not understand that.
That's just my way of attempting to illuminate the diversity, of experience, based not only upon whether one has been exposed to any bit of data, but also being dependent upon sequence, intensity, and emotional bias as a result of early childhood traumas that determine how some data is handled. Thus our own particular individuality.
For example, I have seen that sometimes people can argue for what they believe is in opposition to their opponent, however they are in fact pleading the same case, though unable to simply understand due to this individuality. Though I'm not saying that this specific example is the case with you two. It's just a means to open a door of perception, so that you may in fact see this, thus illuminate that, of which I speak.
The young always live as though they're immortal, though it's quite the opposite. Within this, I see the potential crux of your argument.
homegrown wrote:Number of perceptions reconciled in non-contradictory relations by the conceptual scheme. Theoretical consistency. What I'm able to explain without shifting bases of analysis. i.e. because I'm right!
Again, maybe you're hard of 'seeing:'
To be truly effective, you should rid yourself of this type of weapon, especially as the only means in any particular volley, as it achieves the opposite of your intent.
Unless of course you're only here to abuse psyche's.
Please use terms talking and saying - I'm not so literal as to to correct grammar or spelling though I've seen this happen as a means to fault the other. Still, I can only be ME. I'm less than effective - that's true, but I'm exactly what you deserve.
VOT: same as theory or bases of analysis.
Mortality and Spirituality - given a scientific understanding of reality.
I am currently one of around seven billion people on earth - and I accept that fact. Denied, by parsing reality with ideological falsities - white, british, working class, the reality of seven billion people threatens to swallow me up in the crowd, but it's a small thing with a large shadow. Those who would deny the thing see only the huge menacing shadow, but in the bright light of day - in acceptance of the fact I find I'm not dimminished. I'm still me, and in some ways I find my relative insignificance quite empowering. It allows me to truly be myself. Indeed, when I'm not feeling humble enough, I find it helps to dwell on the evolutionary history of life - all those countless generations who have come and gone over 3.5 billion years. All of which brings us nicely to the subject at hand - death.
Death is absolutely necessary. Without death there would be no evolution, no complex life, and therefore neither you nor I. In conjunction with sexual reproduction, death allows life to preserve the best and let go of the worst traits. The individual reproduces, or does not, and then dies, but the species they belong to lives on. In the shadow of denial, it just seems like a monstrous waste of life - but if the individual can escape the shadow cast by false relations to reality they've been indoctrinated into from infancy, the facts of the matter have a spiritual implication in which I find great purpose and hope of solace.
It follows from an evolutionary understanding of life and death that the species is of a greater spiritual significance than the individual - and it's not merely a numbers game: 1 in 7 billion for 70 of 3.5 billion years. Rather it's that, while the individual is literally a dead end, the species is potentially immortal. The individual accepts from the species the gifts of life, physiological and behavioural intelligence, thought, sight, moral and aesthetic sense - and all the other wonderful capabilities evolution has built from the bottom up; and in addition is gifted with culture, knowledge and technology. Spiritually therefore, the individual owes it to the species - to all those who've gone before, to make the best use of what has been given, which is to say, to live in such a way as to allow the gift to continue to be given and recieved.
It's a very difficult obligation for some forms of life to live up to - but they do it. I've seen spiders eaten alive by their young, penguins go without food for months while balancing an egg on thier feet in the pitch black freezing cold, turtles swim thousands of miles to crawl up a beach and dig a hole in the sand and so on. For us, all we have to do to fulfill the same selfless obligation to the life of the species is accept a scientific understanding of reality in common - and do what's right in terms of what's true. But they want to believe that the individual, if they live a good life - enjoys eternal life in Heaven. Eternal life! So, a million years. Five million years. Five hundred million years. A billion yeras, ten billion years, a hundred thousand billion years, and no nearer the end. Eternal life! And if you're not good, burn for eternity in the firey pit. I'd rather live, do my best for those who come after, then just cease to be.
In this context, knowing that the species has a future, I could accept mortality without grief. But my species have failed to evolve intellectually; and now, lacking the courage to look reality in the eye, are not humble or selfless enough to accept individual mortality as necessary to the life of the species - but rather, cowering in the shadows of denial, have fooled themselves into elevating the relatively insignificant dead-end individual above the interests of the potentially immortal species.
Please use terms talking and saying - I'm not so literal as to to correct grammar or spelling though I've seen this happen as a means to fault the other. Still, I can only be ME. I'm less than effective - that's true, but I'm exactly what you deserve. Then are YOU to say that YOU are never learning, so as to change YOU, that YOU have always been this way since birth?
I do want some of that homegrown, as it seems mighty potent! But I see that you should cut back a bit. Deluded?
VOT: same as theory or bases of analysis.
Mortality and Spirituality - given a scientific understanding of reality.
I am currently one of around seven billion people on earth - and I accept that fact. Denied, by parsing reality with ideological falsities - white, british, working class, the reality of seven billion people threatens to swallow me up in the crowd, but it's a small thing with a large shadow. Those who would deny the thing see only the huge menacing shadow, but in the bright light of day - in acceptance of the fact I find I'm not dimminished. I'm still me, and in some ways I find my relative insignificance quite empowering. It allows me to truly be myself. Indeed, when I'm not feeling humble enough, I find it helps to dwell on the evolutionary history of life - all those countless generations who have come and gone over 3.5 billion years. All of which brings us nicely to the subject at hand - death.
Death is absolutely necessary. Without death there would be no evolution, no complex life, and therefore neither you nor I. In conjunction with sexual reproduction, death allows life to preserve the best and let go of the worst traits. The individual reproduces, or does not, and then dies, but the species they belong to lives on. In the shadow of denial, it just seems like a monstrous waste of life - but if the individual can escape the shadow cast by false relations to reality they've been indoctrinated into from infancy, the facts of the matter have a spiritual implication in which I find great purpose and hope of solace.
It follows from an evolutionary understanding of life and death that the species is of a greater spiritual significance than the individual - and it's not merely a numbers game: 1 in 7 billion for 70 of 3.5 billion years. Rather it's that, while the individual is literally a dead end, the species is potentially immortal. The individual accepts from the species the gifts of life, physiological and behavioural intelligence, thought, sight, moral and aesthetic sense - and all the other wonderful capabilities evolution has built from the bottom up; and in addition is gifted with culture, knowledge and technology. Spiritually therefore, the individual owes it to the species - to all those who've gone before, to make the best use of what has been given, which is to say, to live in such a way as to allow the gift to continue to be given and recieved.
It's a very difficult obligation for some forms of life to live up to - but they do it. I've seen spiders eaten alive by their young, penguins go without food for months while balancing an egg on thier feet in the pitch black freezing cold, turtles swim thousands of miles to crawl up a beach and dig a hole in the sand and so on. For us, all we have to do to fulfill the same selfless obligation to the life of the species is accept a scientific understanding of reality in common - and do what's right in terms of what's true. But they want to believe that the individual, if they live a good life - enjoys eternal life in Heaven. Eternal life! So, a million years. Five million years. Five hundred million years. A billion yeras, ten billion years, a hundred thousand billion years, and no nearer the end. Eternal life! And if you're not good, burn for eternity in the firey pit. I'd rather live, do my best for those who come after, then just cease to be.
In this context, knowing that the species has a future, I could accept mortality without grief. But my species have failed to evolve intellectually; and now, lacking the courage to look reality in the eye, are not humble or selfless enough to accept individual mortality as necessary to the life of the species - but rather, cowering in the shadows of denial, have fooled themselves into elevating the relatively insignificant dead-end individual above the interests of the potentially immortal species.
YOU are just YOU, but HE is not just HE? YOU have always known this since birth, and have not changed through experience?
No, no, not at all. It's been a long, terrifying, depressing, ecstatic and only ultimately satisfying philosophical journey over twenty years. I've reached the latest plateau - I think this is it, but I can't be sure. Maybe there's some further revelation waiting for me.
homegrown wrote:VOT: same as theory or bases of analysis.
I've never heard the term "bases of analyses" either, and couldn't find any explanation anywhere to what it was. I would think the base of any analysis is what is analysed ^^ and that is not the same as any theory, a theory is about predicting outcomes. You can of course combine them both, by extracting a theory from an analysis.
Anywho, so, let me get this right. You are saying, in a more narrowed down way, that because you are... what? Not changing what you have analysed? Not changing prediction? What exactly is "bases of analysis"? Sounds like either an over-complication or a neologism.
homegrown wrote:No, no, not at all. It's been a long, terrifying, depressing, ecstatic and only ultimately satisfying philosophical journey over twenty years. I've reached the latest plateau - I think this is it, but I can't be sure. Maybe there's some further revelation waiting for me.
Revelation? And you criticize people for being religious? I don't think that was a metaphor. I think you actually believe you are chosen somehow ^^
homegrown wrote:No, no, not at all. It's been a long, terrifying, depressing, ecstatic and only ultimately satisfying philosophical journey over twenty years. I've reached the latest plateau - I think this is it, but I can't be sure. Maybe there's some further revelation waiting for me.
And YOU are in fact unique?
How would YOU characterize those teachers YOU have experienced?
Plateau? Do YOU mean that YOU can learn no more because there is nothing more to learn, or that YOU have realized YOU are no longer capable of learning?
Do YOU understand all the secrets of the universe?
Does the ends justify any means?
'If you finally believe you have learned it all, you have not been paying attention.'
No, YOU've obviously got YOUr head up YOUr ass! As YOU're seemingly dense. We agree, as to science, yet YOU fear to take on that which I have brought to the surface, because YOU know YOU are wrong!
