When (and how) something (or someone) is "good."

[The Voice of Time]

You justify your existence? I can't imagine how you could, unless you are suicidal. Because if you made mistakes, should you not kill yourself then as to spare the rest of evolution from your worthlessness? No, I think you want to think you justify your existence that way, but really it's just as meaningless as saying you believe in god. It makes no difference to anyone, only the details surrounding your "faith" will reveal what you really mean by what you say.

[Hjarloprillar]

wow i hit a nerve.
VoT went ballistic.
but as i told him i am aspie -Apergers- anything said is data.. I dont have emotion so anger and whatever dont enter equation.
your post seems like an insult.. but it is just black bits on white page to me

What is hilarious is it seems harder for peeps to understand aspergers than black holes.
The idea a person has no emotion is so 'not their world' it is scary to them.
It undermines the reason of life.. which is to dominate others.
a paltry stupid existence.. but all they can understand.

prill

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Wiki:

Asperger syndrome (AS), also known as Asperger's syndrome or Asperger disorder (AD), is an autism spectrum disorder (ASD) that is characterized by significant difficulties in social interaction, alongside restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests. It differs from other autism spectrum disorders by its relative preservation of linguistic and cognitive development. Although not required for diagnosis, physical clumsiness and atypical (peculiar, odd) use of language are frequently reported.


Some researchers and people with Asperger's have advocated a shift in attitudes toward the view that it is a difference, rather than a disability that must be treated or cured






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[Arising_uk]

I justify my existence because i made a kid who had a kid.
The future IS because thay are secure.

Bit wishful thinking?

I would die to protect both without thought.

Very emotional? Would you die even if you knew it wouldn't protect them?

I serve no other purpose.

As I presume you could still father a new child to give you purpose.

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The wonderful chain of life no?

Agreed, yes.

[Arising_uk]

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What is hilarious is it seems harder for peeps to understand aspergers than black holes. ...

Not really, they are people who claim no emotions apparently but they seem to have them its just social skills they appear to lack.

The idea a person has no emotion is so 'not their world' it is scary to them.

And yet you'd die for your descendents, is that not an emotional response?

It undermines the reason of life.. which is to dominate others.

You said you'd kill others for your kids, is that not an act of domination? Don't get me wrong, just trying to understand as I've met a couple of people with Aspergers syndrome and got on quite well.

a paltry stupid existence.. but all they can understand.

How would you know?

[Arising_uk]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast_fetishism

"Some authors from the United States have made the statement that attraction to the female breast is a sexual fetish, that it is the American fetish-object of choice, and that breast fetishism is predominantly found in the United States. Feminist film critic Molly Haskell has even gone to such an extreme as to claim that, "The mammary fixation is the most infantile, and the most American, of the sex fetishes""

[The Voice of Time]

wow i hit a nerve.
VoT went ballistic.
but as i told him i am aspie -Apergers- anything said is data.. I dont have emotion so anger and whatever dont enter equation.
your post seems like an insult.. but it is just black bits on white page to me

It was never intended to be an insult and I was never emotional, I may note that when I said "worthlessness" I meant "worthless because of the hypothetical mistake". That I was emotional, I'm afraid, is your attribution. If you only, as you say, see "data", then I think you also may have misjudged me in this situation, because while I may not only see data, I see only reason, and my reasoning was edgy but not supposed to mean anything else than what exactly it said.

Justification to me means a "metaphysical reasoning upon condition", like ethics or ontology or existentialism, and then I imagine you meaning further that the condition under which you will stay alive or effort to be alive or alternatively accept your own situation of being alive is if you "have a kid who has another kid", and that you would not accept your situation of being alive if you did not have that. Meaning you would kill yourself.

However, because of your... "odd use of language", to quote the wiki-article, my comment does not really address exactly what you said, as you actually said "made" and not "have", as in the fact that as long as you've just produced a kid is the justification and that the kid doesn't actually have to be alive for the justification to still count. Giving further rise to a situation where it's meaningless to speak of justification at all because the justification is about something which has already been achieved and does not need renewed reassurance and therefore is itself not changeable, rendering your justification immortal if to be taken literally as I, the reasoning-seeing-person, does.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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[The Voice of Time]

Bill. Always so expressive.

[Hjarloprillar]

"And yet you'd die for your descendents, is that not an emotional response?"

No.. It is rational. Causality.

Play your games foghorn.. i cannot be baited.[ a whole post just to bait wow i am honored]
"Boy, i say boy.. what you doing in my yard?"

lokkin for ch chi ch chikens. yeh yeh chickinses .

Or

Shhh be verwy qwiet.. im hunting weasels. hahahahha

[Tesla]

That is an interesting proposal, but you would be wrong. See, I believe our immortality is in our children. My child represents to me the future of the species. The evolving 'up' part. I desire to be a part of the process of enabling mankind to reach a higher state of being via evolution. To do that, is to invest in our children. Nothing can be truly 'known' about what happens when one dies, but in the event we follow the way of the trees, and our deaths give room for the higher evolved to live and reach new heights of understanding: There is no doubt for me what the seed is for.

O seriously how can anybody take evolution like that? "My child represents to me the future of the species"! WTF! "our species"? That is so remote from anything real I cannot fathom how you come up with it. There may be many ways in which you think you care about the species, but human emotions don't work that way. We don't throw our love to a species in general unless of course we have been harsly indoctrinated to it. I love humankind, but only in the sense that I love the human beings I meet. I cannot love those I've never met, or will never meet. That is another physical impossibility. I can of course be friendly towards the idea of human beings I've never met, but I cannot have any more real emotions for them than I'll have for a sad movie I watch.

yeah...Pillar said it best. you are speaking blind. unless your a sociopath or something along that lines. I learned to care about others because I can consider treatments I have endured, and what I would not want on another. people effect each other...even you. From the other side of the globe. if possible, think about the many ways a person can affect you thus. but also: I smile to see others smile, I am sad to see others sad...empathy is the first language, children learn through it. maybe you have just forgotten how to feel from over thinking, destroying your own humanity. feelings are not bad to be shown, they are what gives you the power to 'feel' alive. what is missing that you could be so insensitive and blind? maybe that is the lack of having children around to inconvenience you, because despite the work, they trust love and depend on you. it's a responsibility, and a great feeling, to see your child pleased because they pleased you.

how could I begin to explain what children do for us? they remind us life is fun. they remind us life is a mystery, they remind us there is a time coming...a time they will take the reigns, a time when we will retire. a time when they will take care of us, or---not. in the end, if you live long enough, today's children will decide your fate.

[Hjarloprillar]

Nikola..

I am. shit i do'nt know.. how you describe emotion..
I always thought myself lucky.. but after 40 or so i began to feel sick that i was missing the point.

That to cry outside a movie.. in real life would be wonderful. or love or feel anything.
My movie specific condition. is wierd..
Thus i am a fan of of romantic comedies.
And have alongside the largest collection of SF movies. on the planet. go figure.

And i have an AWP .. to those who know . the tool of choice.

[The Voice of Time]

Tesla, what you just said had nothing to do with what I said. Nor am I being unfeeling or have any problems with being emotional, where does gibberish that come from?

I am simply saying that the laws of nature doesn't allow for you to love that which you don't know. It is physically impossible. All you can do, is love that which is in front of you, and maybe, loving those require you to acknowledge things you do not yourself know, but when everything falls down to it: that acknowledgement isn't love, but simply a part of that which you already do love, and which forms nested conditionality for how to be prepared to treat things before you face it yourself.

By the way, I have met all of you, here and now, and I could physically possibly love you, but of course only the parts of you that are exposed here, like your ways of thinking. If you were to deceive your personality, however, I might not love what I find if I were to visit you in real life (in terms of your ways of thinking). When it comes to your looks and sensual qualities and how you behave as a body moving about and doing things and your habits and all the rich amount of other qualities about you all as human beings: I would, most likely, love only a fiction, some mental image in my head, unless we video-chatted or I saw good photos of you etc, then the likelihood of my expectations relating to reality would increase and that I indeed would be on the path of loving the real you's.

[Hjarloprillar]

False i could love humanity.. or the colour blue.. or heavy metal.

turn on yo brain boy.

"Nor am I being unfeeling or have any problems with being emotional, where does gibberish that come from? "
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When it comes to your looks and sensual qualities and how you behave as a body moving about and doing things and your habits and all the rich amount of other qualities about you all as human beings: I would, most likely, love only a fiction, some mental image in my head, unless we video-chatted or I saw good photos of you etc, then the likelihood of my expectations relating to reality would increase and that I indeed would be on the path of loving the real you's.

"and how you behave as a body moving about and doing things"
hahahahaa
your a sick boy. You try to seem sensual.. only an idjit would believe that. like so many others . you imagine everyone thinks like you
I could not think as slowly as you if i tried. Or had 4000 mg's of thorazine in system.
Humanity is amazing.. so many live in little worlds believing others are same .. when they are actually in very little worlds that are near microspopic.

idjits.

[reasonvemotion]

Tesla quit brow beating. You know nothing. You and your child still have a long way to go.

I think it very unwise to put all your hopes and dreams into your child.

There comes a time when you will have to let go and allow them to live their own lives.

Is it a purpose of man to make a child, to ensure he is taken care of in his old age?


If that is so many will be disappointed.