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Arising_uk wrote:We have a cultural difference as you confuse America with the rest of the world. Your experience is of the power and resource companies as always being privately owned whereas mine is of them being nationalised companies. As such I have the experience of a different situation where the customer and public could have influenced the direction of technology and still think it may well be possible once again as whilst, sadly, our last conservative govt was influenced by yours and sold it all off to crush the unions and make a tidy individual profit to boot, ironically enough this was one of the sources of the 'boom' in finance, its becoming clearer to many that this was a mistake and is actually costing us more in the pocket than it used to.

Polls in US streets.

Q. What is a parliment?

1. Its the place in a brothel where you wait.
2. Its like that place in greece.
3. A what?
4. Get away from me mo f**ker
5. That's in the bible isn't it?
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Bill,
and Sphere of Balance,

I wish I could contribute more. I don't have the internet at home now. I'll look into the acoustics issue - but expect limited improvement. In order to counter this problem - I'll post my script here. Thanks for your suggestions on presentation - the first two or three videos were really awful. I'm getting better, but I decided against looking directly into the camera, and I'm happy with that decision. Anyhow...this video picks up on your comments overleaf that seek to attribute blame to the rich.

http://youtu.be/xkgysLObEY8

On Blame.

The religious, political and economic ideological architecture of societies is not merely a false rationale for action - but perverts the very calculus of moral reason. Amplified by the inclusive/exclusive dynamic of religious, political and economic identity - in terms of which the other is not morally justified, but disregarded, or else demonized, the accident of inter-ideology throws up endless variations upon the same viscious theme: Catholics and Protestants, Christians and Muslims, Shia and Sunni, Isrealis and Palestinians, the U.S. and the U.S.S.R, rich and poor, slaves and slave owners, capitalists and the environment. In each case the ideologically defined 'other' is excluded from moral consideration by the ideological rationale - that by constituting self-justification, not merely defines the purpose of action, but provides the moral compulsion to act. Acting rightly, but in relation to ideological falsities believed to be true, great evils have been, and are being justified.

Denial of the developmental nature of knowledge - from 'less and worse' to 'more and better' over time, is unfortunately a feature of all religions. Looking backward to divine authority for fixed, sacred truths, this backward relation to knowledge informs political and economic ideology. Thus excused any responsibility to truth, or to reform in face of subsequent discovery - ideologically justified political dynamics and economic practices remain past any value they may once have possessed, even unto becomming the cause of great harm. For example, in the founding document of capitalism, 'the Wealth of Nations' 1776, Adam Smith argues: '...it's not the generosity of the butcher and baker that provides my supper, but their self-interest.' It's a seemingly reasonable argument when applied to a village economy in which all parties are included and morally equivalent. However, taken as a fixed, sacred truth, that same ideological justification of self-interest prompted Exxon-Mobil to release millions of gallons of carcinogenic sludge into the water-course in Venusueala, rather than spend money on waste-water re-injection. The people and environment of Venusuela were external to the ideologically defined interests of Exxon-Mobil, and weighed against an imperative to profit - were simply disregarded.

Another of the principle philosophical justifications of capitalist ideology is Hardin's 'Tragedy of the Commons' - which justifies private ownership on the grounds that any freely available resource will be over-exploited. Again, applied to common grazing land the logic of the argument seems sound, but the massive heat energy of the earth's molten core is a freely available resource that could supply the whole world with an effectively limitless supply of clean energy. Why is that not over-exploited? There is not in fact any scarcity of energy, but becuase scarcity increases the value of an owned resource - fossil fuel companies have no motive to apply renewable energy technology, even as oil runs short. So we're heading into an energy crisis as a species divided by ideological falsities - and having applied science to political ends, are armed with nuclear weapons. Driven to..., and prevented from..., by the rationale of ideologies false to reality - humankind will become extinct.

Only by accepting a scientific understanding of reality are we forgiven, and can we forgive. A scientific conception of reality - physics, chemistry, biology, evolution and anthropology imply that the earth is a single planetary environment, that humankind is a single species, and that the ideological constructs of societies occured only really quite recently in the development of knowledge from 'less and worse' to 'more and better' over time. A coherent scientific understanding of reality is more recent still - such that, while true that the Catholic Church made a Grand Mistake not embracing science at the point of conception, the long view of our evolutionary history allows that, we really didn't know any better. We need to correct that mistake, to accept a scientific understanding of reality in common, that subsequent generations do not inherit the deathbed grudges we bear - for they will be better people living in a better world, the real world we would have inhabited had we known then what we know now.
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I LOVE your message.




Perhaps more importantly, I LOVE the potential for your messaging. You are introducing a phenomenon of delivering your message in a way that has never been introduced into this forum before.



Obviously, you are very intelligent.


I am interested in you. How do you spend your day?


Do you envision a Skype type of philosophical forum here?





Do you now have real-time conversations in different forums; other than the Philosophy Now Forums?



Carry-on. I welcome you and I look forward to your evolution of delivering real-time philosophical conversations.



Good luck to you.




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homegrown wrote:but the massive heat energy of the earth's molten core is a freely available resource that could supply the whole world with an effectively limitless supply of clean energy.
I would be interested to know just how the sun is "an effectively limitless supply of clean energy", when, in truth, the means by which we harvest the sun's energy, are absolutely limited. We don't have unlimited amounts of supply of the resources used to make a solar panel, for instance, and the solar panel takes up space, and then it takes up workload to make and maintain. That, to me, is quickly three different categories of resources which are absolutely limited, the last one limited in the sense of a finite number of specialists and personnel who can be allocated to do it, and a finite number of people who can be supported doing it for all their needs in turn.

The sun may not die, but our planet could easily be a hell to live on should we become obsessed with covering it in solar panels or other solar-harvesting technology, simply because it takes up space and is very inefficient and may because of that cost us by the way our efforts spent doing it will be reserved for it and will have to be withdrawn from other things we might find necessary to have.
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William W
Are you talking to me ? If so get in line behind the gurus and anarchists.
;)
just kidding.

I cant answer till YOU ADDRESS YOUR POST . i mean how hard is it.
just say prill at start..
Hey dickhead may work but depends on my status.
Nothing .. well it gets you nothing. im not going to reply to post you wrote for someone else.


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Hey VoT.. ever heard of orbit[ high medium low].. thats where the solar panels go.
I cant believe you are so stupid.
if you want to suck energy from sun output you DO NOT put panels on earth.
You put in orbit and microwave energy down.

Jesus wept. have you read a book yet?

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Im trying to kick start VoT's brain.

He is very smart.. but lacks depth.. .
"get that brain in gear boy" as foghorn would say.
'it aint just for stealin chickens.'

do yah hear me boy im talking but you aint listening, you dam rodent.
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Hjarloprillar wrote:Hey VoT.. ever heard of orbit[ high medium low].. thats where the solar panels go.
I cant believe you are so stupid.
if you want to suck energy from sun output you DO NOT put panels on earth.
You put in orbit and microwave energy down.
I don't see how this fixes the problem, so we are to put a big black spot in the sky? How clever...

My point anyways was just to prove that to say the sun is limitless is a false careless assumption and only extends homegrowns's problem with recognizing the real world, and your support of such lack of reality.
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Hjarloprillar wrote:Im trying to kick start VoT's brain.

He is very smart.. but lacks depth...
Depth is something I've never lacked, on the contrary, you are the ones being shallow with your incapacity to recognize the real world. I'm showing depth by pointing out your lack of respective for the contents of the words you use and your ensuing exploit of them for propaganda purposes.

And keep that kind of opinions to yourself unless you are actually gonna tell me what the heck you mean by such things... in length... thoroughly, not over 3 sentences of new words I'll have the same problem of understanding what the heck they are supposed to mean.
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Hjarloprillar wrote:...
Q. What is a parliment?
A. Its a parliament.
1. Its the place in a brothel where you wait.
2. Its like that place in greece.
3. A what?
4. Get away from me mo f**ker
5. That's in the bible isn't it?
Nah! its a French thang.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament

And what makes ours unique is;
"English parliamentary procedure, such as Jefferson’s Manual of Parliamentary Procedure, developed not to facilitate talk, but to facilitate decision-making. Although the British model of parliament, known as the Westminster Model, is held up as the “Mother of all Parliaments”, it is unique in that it developed over time from tradition, as opposed to being democratically enacted by way of a constitution" - wikki
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homegrown wrote:... Again, applied to common grazing land the logic of the argument seems sound, but the massive heat energy of the earth's molten core is a freely available resource that could supply the whole world with an effectively limitless supply of clean energy. Why is that not over-exploited? ...
Because its a really, really, really, long way away and effectively impossible to access and we can't yet cap volcanos.

Of course we could do what many Scandinavians do and use heat pumps for house heating, that saves a fair bit of fuel.
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Arising_uk wrote:
homegrown wrote:... Again, applied to common grazing land the logic of the argument seems sound, but the massive heat energy of the earth's molten core is a freely available resource that could supply the whole world with an effectively limitless supply of clean energy. Why is that not over-exploited? ...
Because its a really, really, really, long way away and effectively impossible to access and we can't yet cap volcanos.

Of course we could do what many Scandinavians do and use heat pumps for house heating, that saves a fair bit of fuel.
And money! In the long run on the cold winters. It's also a very effective climate control appliance.

There is working and exploited technology today for the heat the Earth produces. A first-class example is Iceland:
Wikipedia wrote:About 81 percent of total primary energy supply in Iceland is derived from domestically produced renewable energy sources. In 2007, geothermal energy provided about 66 percent of primary energy, the share of hydropower was 15 percent, and fossil fuels (mainly oil) 19 percent.[1] The main use of geothermal energy is for space heating with the heat being distributed to buildings through extensive district-heating systems.[1] About 85% of all houses in Iceland are heated with geothermal energy.[2]
But Iceland is in a kind of unique position here, and I wouldn't think there are many places on the Earth where it's as useful as on Iceland to exploit geothermal energy, especially in high-lands or uneven terrain. But you make a point about distance, remember that the deepest holes we've drilled into the Earth is only about 10 kilometres, and that's barely scratching the surface of it. That being said, Wikipedia says that the temperature of the Earth increases by about 25 degrees per kilometre, and with just 4 kilometres you are already past 100 degrees Celsius then O.o (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient)
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If you don't see how what I've said is related to your assertion that blame lies with greedy capitalists I can only suppose you project from your own experience of not having enough money to do, or to buy what you want, a relation between wealth and freedom of choice - and assume that because capitalists are vastly wealthy they're entirely free - but that's a myth.

Capitalists act in the course of an ideology that describes their identities and moral purposes, that rationalizes certain actions - and prohibits others. i.e. driven to... and prevented from... Indeed, the higher up the ideological order you go the less scope there is for freedom of thought, action or speech. In order to reach such rarified heights the individual has to serve the ideology, assume the identity - to truly believe. The epistemology of faith carried through from religious, to political, to economic ideology allows the individual to ignore that which is externalized by the ideological rationale for action as... almost unreal, but certainly irrelevant to the moral calculus of action. That so, the 'greedy capitalist' is acting morally in their own terms i.e. acting rightly, but in relation to ideological falsity. Thus, it's not a matter of blame, but of the validity of the knowledge basis of action. acting on the basis of a scientifically valid understanding of reality.

There's a show on Quest called 'How it's Made.' It's amazing what industry does, and provides. To dismiss the genius of industry as 'greedy capitalists' - yet claim for yourself that you didn't ask to be born into this construct, is just as blinkered a view as that of they guy who swamped Venusuela in cancerous filth for the sake of the bottom line. This philosophy argues we need to accept a scientific understanding of reality in common because doing so provides a rationale that justifies the right decisions. I would set industry free of the false motivations and constraints of political and economic ideologies; allowing that genius be applied for the right reasons.

In conclusion, I just want to address S.O.B's confusion a few pages back, over the term '...a survival ethic.' I think you have me confused with Americans hanging out in the woods with guns. Not so. I assume you're familiar with Hume's 'Naturalistic Fallacy' - and understand the 'ought' from 'is' argument. In this context the Survival Ethic is the value that gives meaning to the long list of facts that is a scientific understanding of reality. It is the assumption that humankind should survive. It pertains more to the ideal iteration of this argument, as opposed to a pragmatic assessment of what might be achieved without throwing the world into chaos. Realistically, humankind will be fire-fighting for a few generations to come, but if we can just solve the energy crisis and thereby mitigate climate change - we'll afford our offspring a very decent chance. If we can't then...

bye-bye,

hg.

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Who are you talking to in the first major part of your post? You don't address anyone in particular, please do so.
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Parliment is australian spelling.

Its like we say beer but in america its soda pop.
Or in London its guiness [mmmm]
There is no beer in france.
The germans funny enough have closest meaning.
But they have sausage. which is like do they dip sausage in beer.? ;)

epistemology 101. or is it semantics... nyeh

VoT a big black spot in sky .. you mean like nighttime? caues like during day you cant see above atmosphere much at all... uuuuuhduh. especially not black objects

a thousand in polar orbit systems could supply earth.. and no-one would even see them [causes its night.. lol]
Why do i bother .. non technological people it all a waste of words.
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