A Philosophy of Mind

[Arising_uk]

Hi BB,

Arising uk,
I find myself always defending myself to you because you break up my words into isolated sentences from the whole thought so much so that I cannot defend myself.

I think its worth defending the truth of isolated sentences. If you cannot encapsulate your thought then I think that you may need to think about what you're defending?

Tell me how do you think philosophers are to be found? I would like to hear your thoughts instead of you questioning my thoughts. I very seldom do I hear your knowledge of things.

It's a valid complaint. I think Philosophers are those who use Reason to notice Difference and understand what that means to Self.
a_uk

[Barbara Brooks]

Why be so safe UK. Why not take a chance? So i am wrong at least I took a chnce for the good If I am wrong I don't mean any harm anyone, it certainly makes me feel good who am I harming?

[Arising_uk]

Understand BB,

Why be so safe UK. Why not take a chance? So i am wrong at least I took a chnce for the good If I am wrong I don't mean any harm anyone, it certainly makes me feel good who am I harming?

I like and think I understand your approach. I do not think you are wrong. I do not think you are harming anyone who does not deserve their self-harm in their understanding of what you say, but what you say is difficult and innocents can be harmed. Whilst I appreciate the 'feel-good' in life I'm not sure that 'harmlessness' is a viable philosophical justification to promoting obscurantism in Philosophy but this is only an opinion.
a_uk

[bus2bondi]

"Barbara Brooks wrote:
You will find many who have the name philosopher, but they only have a sense of it not the principal of philosophy, only a copy in the place of the authentic not to truth because they are unable to follow. "
& A_Uk wrote:
"Very elitist. Who decides this?"

i agree that it sounds very elitist, & i think most of us are all gossiping about what the "greats" said


bb said:
"The question now arises how can philosophy purify and instruct the intelligence of today?"

A_UK said: "Arrogance. Has it ever done this? Philosophers past have either been Rulers or lap-dogs to Rulers."

i think pretty much anything that most would consider to be a good thing in the past and today owe in most respects to philsophy, the ability to reason and question made it possible for computers to exist, one example out of billions, and the power of reason. some philosophers have been rulers or lap-dogs, and some haven't


bb said:
"We cannot begin again to bring back an earlier stage; for example, Socrates was in his time freedom had not come of age at that time nor was freedom in the Roman source of laws freedom had no consciousness."

i'd say freedom has always existed and the subjugators have allways been around as well

bb says:
"We must not lose sight of our own higher object. We must watch over philosophers are like good farmers nurturing and cultivating gentle qualities, and preventing the wild ones from growing. Cultivate gently and with a view of soothing and removing the dislike of science."

personally, i am not necessarily into the cultivation of other people, i just do what i do in my own life, and don't want others to inflict theirs on me either, and i have no idea what sheep think, will have to go up to one and ask him sometime, lol , although its a common thing for people to say or assume sheep don't think


bb says: "There is a perfection which all philosophy ought to reach, and which all pupils ought also to attain, and not to fall short of and not till then, will the pursuit of philosophy have value otherwise there is no profit in philosophy."

i think its up to the philospher to decide whether or how he/she is profitting or not, but to me its highest value is when the reasoning reaches a plateau and spreads out into ideas, that may or may not work themselves into the "physical world," although i suppose that always might not be good too, depending on who's quack ideas are trying to work themselves into my world, lol.

bb says:
"How can a person help not imitating that with which philosophy holds so reverential?"

i guess i'm just not one to purposefully immitate anyways unless i've found it to sit well with me first, and have benefitted from it from my own experience, but i'm sure its just as possible to come upon the same conclusions as millions of others have unknowingly or accidentally


bb says:
"We are servants of good every one had better be ruled by this divine wisdom dwelling within them or, if this is impossible, then by an external authority, in order that we may be all, as far as possible, under the same government, friends and equals."

for whatever reason the committee has other plans for earth related brain & societal development, maybe we need to be consumers because were serving some other as of now yet unknown environment, and that one lady that A_Uk posted in the women in philosophy post was really on to something i think

A_UK said:
"If someone has this 'in-dwelling divine wisdom' how do they get on the committee that makes up the external authority?"

flip me a couple hundred bucks on the side and i'll see what i can do to get ya in LOL (but i s'pose nothing other than hard work and sacrifice could get me on the top global computer committee either

bb quotes:
"Arist. Phys. p. 27b;31b): "Since the utmost limit of being is perfect, it resembles on every side the form of a well rounded sphere, which from its centre extends in all directions equally, for it can be neither larger or smaller in omne part or another."

definitly from the ether stream, and part of this perfectness is the necessity of the "imperfect"

anyhow, both realities deserve an answer from eachother and hopefully will somehow come to terms with eachother in the future

[Barbara Brooks]

Self-consciousness essentially is in character sense of self advances and forms a distinction of its own to become in the formative activity as a real consciousness.


Then belief is a necessity of thought. Here is where self-consciousness feels satisfied in the present; here morality is reinstated, a positive objective being.

Faith, which contains within itself all that, is ultimate and essential and all that is concrete and actual is distinct from self-consciousness, falls outside of being, acting, and striving, in the world. Belief Hegel thought consists in the two forms, as the shape and garment in which it clothes its idea of itself but faith lacks within itself completion, was merely determinate which only reveals, viz. belief of self only has the form of free and independent self consciousness.

[Barbara Brooks]

Philosophy is equivalent to a long course of mental discipline, a conscious life that moves along the highway of knowledge. Only by labor can this profound scientific insight be won. Faith is needed in the discourse of logical thinking about Nature and the Human kind.

This is not common ordinary intelligence or that kind of institution of higher education where reason is flawed by idleness, and self-conceit. Reason is the property of self-consciousness, when the right time comes, and hence never appears too soon, when the public is ripe to receive it.

Philosophy is full and rich of meaning, which lie deep down in the heart, and the heart of all feels expresses things that are ultimate no one can take exception and nothing further can be said moves along the highway of truth as an inspiration of profound and creative higher scientific insight that can only be won by the labor.


They start on a search by the light of reason, arrive at the perception of the ultimate good. This is the release from the chains of slavery, or of shadowed images. Philosophy has the power of elevating the mind to the contemplate the highest principles, may be compare to as light of the body to the sight of that which is brightest in the material visible world by all that study and pursue philosophy, This is a given,

Philosophers must depend on principles derived from pure thinking and that is requisite above all to try to establish truth. Pure inner thinking quivers within philosophers as in the simple motion of sun rotating on its own axis.

Not like Turgenev’s philosopher “Rudin” who choice to make the love of knowledge a lazy rogue’s quest of searching in all the wrong places. Rudin was easily corrupted, and weary at the end became a cruel old fool unsatisfied opportunist.

[Lusia Mousky]

Do you just start writing without preparation or do you prepare your statements in advance ?

I was wondering if could try to do the same as a kind of experiment, and see what the result will be ...

[Barbara Brooks]

Lusia Mousky,

What goes on around me stands in contrast of my purpose. When I first began to write I would get up around five in the morning to write before my family and working obligations kicked in. I would copy Hegel’s Philosophy Of Nature I must have copied six times this book, each time I understood more.

Don’t think purpose produces action; it is an ideal, that brings about a universal feeling and my reverent devotion to philosophy.

To become something on your own account, independence is truth I write my unconscious ideal to come to act and rise out of the state of unconscious into the universal purpose.

The labor of love of anything into something has not only positive significance but also objectivity, for anything to become something is through struggle. The process is twofold, self surrendering self, and the labor of love. In order to succeed you must enter into labor without reservation in attaining and finding satisfaction. Understand what Hegel meant when he wrote, "In order to have a slave you must have a master and in order to have a master you must have a slave”

The slave and master is solely a unity of subjective and objective, of self and the unconditional sacrifice and labor of love. Master and slave is equally in themselves truth. Labor of love is a chain, for it keeps you in bondage but you succeed in attaining and finding purpose.

Knowledge is essential. Talent is only a content of purpose and does not go beyond that, but if seeking to bring your purpose into actuality then you must think away from self. Talent is nothing but self with a definite subjective internal purpose, an objectivity into actualization. This antithesis of inner and outer is your determinate inner purpose; your realized actual individual objectivity.

What you do and whatever happens to me my purpose brings a certainty we are not a chance accident.

[Barbara Brooks]

I borrowed all that is best in knowledge. I cataloged everything that gave certainty if not perfectly, at least as well as is in my mind.

Gradually I increased knowledge little by little raising it to the highest possible point. Words and the character of writing depend on the temper. Like a song or ode has three parts --the words, the melody, and the rhythm. And as for the words, there surely be no difference words between words which are and which are not set to music; both will conform to the same laws, and these have been already determined by us? And the melody and rhythm will depend upon the words?

Good and bad rhythm naturally assimilate to a good and bad writing; and that harmony and discord in like manner follow style; for my principle is that rhythm and harmony are regulated by words, and not words by them.

Gradually I accustomed my mind to conceive objects more accurately and distinctly. I thought that I could find no method more simple or more distinctly represented to the imagination and senses. Pure reason is the highest principle in philosophy. Socrates is right; you can only do good if you put the effort into what you love. My love of learning makes for my happiness, so happy I happily wish others happiness.

[Barbara Brooks]

It took me eighteen years to complete the copying of Hegel’s Philosophy of Nature it was a my humble attempt to revive Hegel's constructive view of science.

This raised me out of the sea of change to lay hold of true being.Then philosophers must be arithmetician and they must carry on the study until the nature of numbers is seen with the mind, not like retail-traders with a view to buying or selling, but for the sake of true being.

[Lusia Mousky]

I would not like to interrupt your rhythm, but did you copy Hegel in the original German version or in an English translation ?
Hardly anyone is able to understand Hegel in German and in order to translate you have to understand first.
If you read Hegel in German his thoughts are like these Platonic shadows on the wall of a cave. If you read him in English they must be like shadows of shadows.

[Barbara Brooks]

I used the English translation I do not speak German. “Philosophy of Nature” By A.V. Miller. I wrote to Professor Miller and told him what was doing and he wished me the best. Actually he wrote me back on a ripped piece of paper from a brown shopping bag wrote good luck and not to ask him for help.

Philosophy of Nature lifted me into another world carried me round in a revolution, not without trouble indeed and with great difficulty beholding the phenomena of nature; I would rise and fall, and see, and then again fail to see. What disorder my climb! I suppose I was too eager to behold truth the highest part of the mind where pasturage is found nourished with reality.

Knowledge to the rescue is surely the rational principle in the mind where the better part of the mind is likely to be truth. Plato, his allegory of the soul resembles the united power of a chariot and charioteer. It implied that in the mind exist, the idea of the beautiful, good and just images and metaphors


I seek after truth for the sake of knowledge I looked coldly upon opinion it causes deceitfulness administrations. It was no easy task but whether easy or not nothing imperfect is the measure of anything. The highest truths worthy of attaining the highest accuracy is the idea of good that is the highest knowledge, and that all other things become useful and advantageous only by their use. No possession of things is of any value if we do not possess good.

[Barbara Brooks]

Into the native land of truth is knowledge and at the same time an empty nothing just the vanishing coming into being.

The principle of knowledge is wholly directed to truth. The power of knowing truth is properly called science. Without knowledge we would be ignorant of whether we are even happy or not. The problem with truth is it vanishes in the course of the experience

Knowledge unfolds the whole development of being and determinations within an individual determinate self-free.

The knowledge is worthy of attaining is good. Only by good, all things become useful and advantageous. The idea of good is the highest virtue. Everyone pursue it and make it the end of all action shine with radiant knowledge. Knowledge of this kind we philosophers are seeking to rise out of the sea of change and lay hold of.

[Barbara Brooks]

Come all noble thinkers rise out of the state of unconsciousness into a world that exalts great ideas, thinks away negative viewpoints. The world of thinkers has been advanced before; knowledge was powerful. The natural gift of knowledge is the instrument of the thinker knowing comes on the scene and liberates self to carry out their purpose
Lodged in the mind as a pilot is knowledge wholly directed toward truth and, which cares little for gain or fame knowledge contains everything, which gives in all things certainty by means of exercising reason.


The element of freethinking is knowledge, ultimate absolute truth. We must approach this subject right, framed in the most perfect manner. Profound thought is needed, one that exalts ideas and truth, not superficially tiresome rhetoric.



Knowing is part of the element of freethinking, because pure knowing is the ultimate absolute truth of consciousness. There are two ruling principles here, the intellectual world and the visible world, Therefore derives knowledge from the senses, or we could not recognize what is equal or absolute unity.

Come pull from mind away from opinion that has been up to this point accepted. Here occupy the mind to cultivating reason, and in advancing as much as possible knowledge and truth.

Good is knowledge. No one who is ignorant of the good will has knowledge. The good and right consciousness is the fountain and beginning motion to all that moves.

[Arising_uk]

...If you read Hegel in German his thoughts are like these Platonic shadows on the wall of a cave. If you read him in English they must be like shadows of shadows.

Or like one thought expressed endlessly before it gets to its point. If he's like some of the English translations of the other 'Germans' I've had to read that is. The 'technique' I learnt, through necessity, was to skim them backwards first
a_uk