Why Education is One of the Biggest Scams on Earth

[Arising_uk]

Then you must be a woman, transsexual or gay, which explains why you refuse to state your gender. ...

What in the word 'father' do you not understand?

Unlike you boob I consider having ones emotions integrated into ones thoughts and expressing them a sign of intelligence and coherent thought. How 50's of you to think a man does not express emotion.

Do you also have hot flashes? ...

And how misogynistic of you. Your balls dropped yet? I doubt it.

And anyway, who the hell cares what emotion you're feeling at the time. ...

You apparently.

Why do you have to tell us about it? ...

Cause I know it annoys you.

Tell it to your shrink!

Unlike you I've never met one. Do you think its a good idea to stop taking your meds? And please don't tell me you haven't been prescribed any.

[bobevenson]

What does all that crap have to do with the education scam of the world, where even the Chinese send their children to U.S. universities?

[Arising_uk]

What does all that crap have to do with the education scam of the world, where even the Chinese send their children to U.S. universities?

Given this, do you think they know its a scam?

What have the universities got to do with it? Your article, I presume, was talking about lower down your education system and points, I presume, to why your universities need to fill themselves with foreign students.

[bobevenson]

What does all that crap have to do with the education scam of the world, where even the Chinese send their children to U.S. universities?

Given this, do you think they know its a scam?

What have the universities got to do with it? Your article, I presume, was talking about lower down your education system and points, I presume, to why your universities need to fill themselves with foreign students.

It starts in pre-school and elementary schools, and proceeds to high schools and universities. If you wanted to turn Harvard into a whorehouse, and I'm not suggesting it's not one already, who would you talk to? That's why education is a scam, it's not about education at all, it's about sucking the lifeblood out of American citizens through tax exemptions and government support, sitting on billion-dollar endowments, and their administrators living the good life without having to show free-market results of any kind.

[Arising_uk]

It starts in pre-school and elementary schools, and proceeds to high schools and universities. If you wanted to turn Harvard into a whorehouse, and I'm not suggesting it's not one already, who would you talk to? That's why education is a scam, it's not about education at all, it's about sucking the lifeblood out of American citizens through tax exemptions and government support, sitting on billion-dollar endowments, and their administrators living the good life without having to show free-market results of any kind.

You can't have it all ways bob. As I thought Harvard, et al, were private free-market institutions as you have to pay to go there and their endowments are from those who thought they got value for money. Also, why would all these foreign nationals pay for a substandard education? But I'll bow to your superior knowledge of your education system as I have no real interest in what America does.

[bobevenson]

First of all, you should have an interest in what America does since we are the world's leading country, like it or not. Most universities are non-profit organizations that do not pay their way through proper taxation, and by definition are sucking the lifeblood out of Americans. They should be treated like the profit-making businesses they actually are.

[Arising_uk]

First of all, you should have an interest in what America does since we are the world's leading country, like it or not. ...

Nope, you're the worlds largest market and military force. In many areas you do not lead.

Most universities are non-profit organizations that do not pay their way through proper taxation, and by definition are sucking the lifeblood out of Americans. ...

Huh! What property is it you think you could tax in this case?

They should be treated like the profit-making businesses they actually are.

You'll have to explain how they are non-profit and profit making organizations at the same time?

[bobevenson]

Universities have more property value and income than most large corporations, but they are not accountable to anybody. All of their wealth should be owned by actual people, like shares in a corporation, and they should not get any tax breaks of any kind. If they don't make enough profit, shareholders can throw them out or take other action.

[Arising_uk]

I'll take it this is about America as most of it doesn't apply over here.

Universities have more property value and income than most large corporations, ...

Bollocks, or at least cite this.

... but they are not accountable to anybody.

Hold on! In your world why should they be accountable to anyone? In fact they are accountable to their trustees I'd have thought.

All of their wealth should be owned by actual people, like shares in a corporation, and they should not get any tax breaks of any kind. If they don't make enough profit, shareholders can throw them out or take other action.

Hmm...I take your point. So only those who can pay get an education in your brave new world?

[bobevenson]

First of all, in your oppressive country, who owns the universities, the property, the endowments? I doubt that there is private ownership, and that those universitites could be converted into shopping centers. In this country, Harvard has a multi-billion dollar endowment, which is far higher than the profits of most corporations. You say universities are accountable to trustees? Trustees are just rubber stamps. Corporations are accountable to shareholders. Education should be paid for, just like everything else. Socialists like you would rather see the government give away free shelter, clothing. food, and everything else you can think of in your Alice-in-Wonderland world.

[bobevenson]

Just in case you still don't believe that education is one of the biggest scams on Earth:

Market Watch
By Brett Arends

Class of 2013, no one else is going to tell you this, so I might as well. You sit here today, $30,000 or $40,000 in debt, as the latest victims of what may well be the biggest conspiracy in U.S. history. It is a conspiracy so big and powerful that Dan Brown won’t even touch it. It’s a conspiracy so insidious that you will rarely hear its name. Move over, Illuminati. Stand down, Wall Street. Area 51? Pah. It’s nothing. The biggest conspiracy of all? The College-Industrial Complex.

[Felasco]

I used to play football when I was young. Every year about 150 guys would come out for the team, way more than the school had uniforms for. The coaches had a solution for this.

For the first month of training, the majority of our time was spent running laps and other punishing exercise out in the full sun on blistering hot Florida summer afternoons.

Of course we all needed to get back in shape, but there was another reason for this start of the season routine. The coaches found out who really wanted to play football, and who was just screwing around with dreams of glory. Day after day people dropped out, and when we were down to about 35 kids, then the coaches would start teaching us plays.

Point being...

College is not really about education. It's about seeing who is willing to sell their soul to the corporate gulag.

In the past, it was just four years of pointless punishment, to weed out the non-serious.

These days, they pile a mountain of debt on you too, so that by the time you get to the corporate gulag, you are already totally prisoner, with no other option but to submit, because no other course of action is available to you for repaying the loans.

The truly intelligent and brave will skip college, and reinvest that time and money in to starting their own businesses. People think this is risky, but really it's far more stable to have 100 customers instead of just one.

[bobevenson]

The problem is government, not business.

[Arising_uk]

First of all, in your oppressive country, who owns the universities, the property, the endowments? I doubt that there is private ownership, and that those universitites could be converted into shopping centers. ...

You think shopping centres have more value than universities? Figures.

Although you raise an interesting question which is under discussion over here
http://www.qaa.ac.uk/Publications/Infor ... mber08.pdf
So according to this our universitites are private coprorations, so I guess you'd support them.

In this country, Harvard has a multi-billion dollar endowment, which is far higher than the profits of most corporations. You say universities are accountable to trustees? Trustees are just rubber stamps. Corporations are accountable to shareholders. Education should be paid for, just like everything else. Socialists like you would rather see the government give away free shelter, clothing. food, and everything else you can think of in your Alice-in-Wonderland world.

You appear confused!? As this endowment of Harvard's is from the private individual I'd assume? I'd also assume that they get their money from other individuals who've passed through their system? As such they are the epitome of the private corporation I'd have thought? I'm also puzzled as I thought all their students did pay for an education there so I have no idea what your, as usual, rant about socialists is about with respect to this education.

[bobevenson]

First of all, in your oppressive country, who owns the universities, the property, the endowments? I doubt that there is private ownership, and that those universitites could be converted into shopping centers. ...

You think shopping centres have more value than universities? Figures. As usual, you miss the point. It is the market place that should determine how property and labor is used, not the government. Although you raise an interesting question which is under discussion over here
http://www.qaa.ac.uk/Publications/Infor ... mber08.pdfSo according to this our universitites are private coprorations, so I guess you'd support them. Only if they can be bought and sold like other things.

In this country, Harvard has a multi-billion dollar endowment, which is far higher than the profits of most corporations. You say universities are accountable to trustees? Trustees are just rubber stamps. Corporations are accountable to shareholders. Education should be paid for, just like everything else. Socialists like you would rather see the government give away free shelter, clothing. food, and everything else you can think of in your Alice-in-Wonderland world.

You appear confused!? As this endowment of Harvard's is from the private individual I'd assume? I'd also assume that they get their money from other individuals who've passed through their system? As such they are the epitome of the private corporation I'd have thought? I'm also puzzled as I thought all their students did pay for an education there so I have no idea what your, as usual, rant about socialists is about with respect to this education. Universities should be run like any corporation and be owned by shareholders who determine how the corporation should be run and for what purpose.