Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

[SpheresOfBalance]

It's not all about you.

What are you talking about, it's always all about me, and well it should be.

No Bob...you are wrong here. The minute you look at internet porn with a real person...that is when it ceases to be all about you.

That depends. I see that there are several types:

1) Those that do what has been done,
2) those that have incited others to do what has been done,
3) those that stand and watch what has been done.

Of course I'm talking of recordings of something that is not in progress, that is past, and therefore cannot be stopped, i.e., our topic, internet porn.

Those that create/participate in so called porn are of type 1.
Those that pay money to access or positively talk of/promote it, are of type 2.
Those that stay in the shadows neither paying, nor speaking positively of it, are of type 3.

Type 1 and 2 are responsible for it, therefore it's not only about themselves, however, those of type 3 are not responsible for it in any way, shape or form, neither can they stop it, as it has already happened, and therefore it is all about themselves. No one would even be the wiser, as to their observing, from afar, how the other half live. They may smile in amusement, amazement, or of wanton desire, or they may shake their head in disgust, but they would make no impression upon anyone, in any way, thus it is in fact, all about them.

I'd say that some people may be wise enough to not incite acceptance of that which may have a long way to go, before it's seen in a true light, if that's even possible, amongst the relativity of human experience. I for one see that humans tend to try and see things as black and white, while in fact, there are only ever multitudes, of shades of grey.

[reasonvemotion]

I have not considered whether it is respectable or not.

Because it is a covert industry more or less, who is there to judge? I don't recall bringing morality into it? If I did could you please direct me to it.

To Spheres, as far as it being centralized, I can see the objectors now. LOL

In a central environment, it brings all sorts of unwanted side effects. I lived in the suburb of St Kilda, in Victoria for two years. It is notorious for prostitution, we had to tolerate "clients", blocking streets with their cars while in the midst of a transaction with a girl, we had hypodermic needles in our letter boxes, the side alleys were used for lavatories, (it is not pleasant hosing away someone's feces the next day) and the footpaths littered with condoms. Some of the girls were rather aggressive and some were very friendly, not many liked or trusted men. This is something you become accustomed to if you live there long enough, the trick is to know the "hot spots" and choose another street. It all comes with the territory, other than that all was rosy.


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[SpheresOfBalance]

I have not considered whether it is respectable or not.

Because it is a covert industry more or less, who is there to judge? I don't recall bringing morality into it? If I did could you please direct me to it.

To Spheres, as far as it being centralized, I can see the objectors now. LOL

In a central environment, it brings all sorts of unwanted side effects. I lived in the suburb of St Kilda, in Victoria for two years. It is notorious for prostitution, we had to tolerate "clients", blocking streets with their cars while in the midst of a transaction with a girl, we had hypodermic needles in our letter boxes, the side alleys were used for lavatories, (it is not pleasant hosing away someone's feces the next day) and the footpaths littered with condoms. Some of the girls were rather aggressive and some were very friendly, not many liked or trusted men. This is something you become accustomed to if you live there long enough, the trick is to know the "hot spots" and choose another street. It all comes with the territory, other than that all was rosy.


http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl= ... BA&dur=251

Again you speak of the past/present and not the future. You seem to not understand that the state of affairs is due to a status quo. If one looks at a problem and then dismisses it as the problem that it is, it shall probably remain that problem forever. One has to look at potential through rose colored glasses so that the reality, one day, shall be as close to rose colored as possible. As Talk Talk sang: Life is What You Make It.

[reasonvemotion]

Here is the reality of street prostitution, as I have witnessed in Australia.

This video shows where the street girls reside. It is a place where people go to get off the street, have a room to stay at a cost of $190.00 per week.

It is called Gatwick House and is in the heart of St Kilda. A grim place to be. I do volunteer with the Buddhist Monks in their soup kitchen, and at Christmas time we visit Gatwick House to give food to the patrons. My first visit was pretty harrowing and scarey, my second visit last Christmas, was rewarding. So many thank yous and "oh fruit, I havent had this for months", comments like these, it breaks your heart.

This video is exactly what it is like for the girls on the streets of St. Kilda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji4HlTZPYr0

[bobevenson]

It's not all about you.

What are you talking about, it's always all about me, and well it should be.

No Bob...you are wrong here. The minute you look at internet porn with a real person...that is when it ceases to be all about you.

What is that supposed to mean?

[Bill Wiltrack]

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That was beautiful.


Thank you for having the courage to share your admissions a few posts earlier.



That type of honesty is what this forum can be, at it's best.




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[bobevenson]

That was beautiful. Thank you for having the courage to share your admissions a few posts earlier. That type of honesty is what this forum can be, at it's best.

a) Who are you addressing the post to?
b) What "admissions a few posts earlier" are you referring to?

[Bill Wiltrack]

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This is what I was addressing:



I agree with you AS at least as far as the results of your resolve goes. Perspective is one thing that philosophy should always call into question as it's often tied to antiquated dogmas, for instance religion as you have pointed out. Sex is just sex, as long as no one gets hurt, and measures can be instituted to ensure safety, and some people have problems feeling this close relationship, what ever their problem.

I can honestly say that I have been with a prostitute on several occasions, and that I actually loved what I knew of them. This is not to say that I knew them completely, how could I possibly in such a short amount of time, but does anyone really know another completely. We did more than just have sex, we hung out, talked and went places to do things together. Could I have married any one of them and taken them away from such things, sure, if my job would have allowed me to stay there for any real length of time. I at least, respected them, and understood why they did what they did, which is why I always gave them a gift of more than they asked for, though I realized it was impossible for me to save them, from potential problems, as I was a nobody, when it comes to monetary wealth.

If I had the power, I'd save the world. Though I see that, 'to save,' is relative, that unfortunately I cannot speak for everyone.



That was pretty honest and well articulated.






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[bobevenson]

The entire problem can be summarized in the U.S. government's ridiculous "Defense of Marriage Act".

[Arising_uk]

I believe that was a ploy, but I'll wait for her to deny it.

Unlike you I'm not delusional and have no need for 'ploys' which points to you also being paranoid.

[Arising_uk]

On what basis, pray tell, is this slavery?

On the basis that they tell the girls that they're going to be smuggled to the 'West' to work in normal jobs, they then beat and gang rape them, remove their passports, and keep them held in houses where they then prostitute them for profit. What would you call it? The euphemism over here is 'sex-trafficking'.

[bobevenson]

I believe that was a ploy, but I'll wait for her to deny it.

Unlike you I'm not delusional and have no need for 'ploys' which points to you also being paranoid.

Just to set the record straight, are you a man or a woman? To me, you sound like a woman, but I could be wrong. Or are you just too coy to say?

[bobevenson]

On what basis, pray tell, is this slavery?

On the basis that they tell the girls that they're going to be smuggled to the 'West' to work in normal jobs, they then beat and gang rape them, remove their passports, and keep them held in houses where they then prostitute them for profit. What would you call it? The euphemism over here is 'sex-trafficking'.

They're not slaves, they can run to the police. As far as sex-trafficking, what's wrong with it, it's a business.

[Arising_uk]

a lot of the street workers can hardly read or write, mainly due to their excessive drug habit.

What is attractive for the client and the street worker is his/her anonymity, no paperwork, no address, just sex and cash.


LOL ......................but as you would say, LMFHO.

We appear to have a better class of prostitute over here as the kind of street-walkers you describe have pretty much vanished from our streets, CCTV I guess. Its all house-call now-a-days and many accept credit and debit cards so smart enough I think.

Of course we have a large problem with another sort of 'prostitute', the slave prostitute. Kidnapped, raped and forced to sell themselves for their slave-masters profit.

You say just sex and cash but when we had this kind of prostitute they saw very little of the cash, their pimp took it and supplied them the drugs instead, made them pay for them of course but cheap rate for you my lovely.

Since they are 'workers' I presume they should be paying taxes? And if so then they would be entitled to protection by the Law.

[Arising_uk]

They're not slaves, they can run to the police. As far as sex-trafficking, what's wrong with it, it's a business.

No, they can't. They are held in the houses and guarded. They are also told that if they go to the police they will be killed. They are also told that since they are illegal immigrants they will be tossed into holding prisons and then deported back by the UK authorities, which they will. Now you'd think that'd be a plus but these are generally young girls from very traditional countries and going back after being used as a prostitute is something most can't face as they'd be shunned in many cases. Or so they say when we've bothered to try and help them when we raid the 'brothels' or slave-pens they are held in.

Whats wrong with it you turd is that its against their will and is slavery you piece of excrement.