Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

[bobevenson]

No, there has obviously been some weakening of the genetic pool, and it starts out with fraternization, like between you and Bill (see above post).

[Bill Wiltrack]

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C'mon let's get back on topic.


ALL of us!






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[bobevenson]

We can't get back on topic because Arising supports all manner of the supression of free speech, whether it's pornography or giving a Nazi salute! She wants everybody sent to jail except people who don't believe in God!

[reasonvemotion]

She?

He said he was a father. That would be a he.

[Arising_uk]

Spheres:

No, you misunderstood, I was not referring to the way things have been, i.e., illegal underground brothels, and only used the word brothel so as to be brief, as I tend to be long winded. What I meant was government regulated "brothels" where mandatory STD screening, was employed as well as having staff that was responsible for ensuring the peace and safety of both the pros and johns. Remember that prostitution outside one of these regulated brothels would be illegal. I see that it would catch on. I mean really, would you rather buy a product from a nice, clean brightly lit retail outlet or from a shady individual in a dark alley, from the back of his van? Most would choose the former, otherwise there would be a hell of a lot more of the latter. A john would choose the retail outlet, believing it to be safer, in all respects, and so would the smart pros. And as far as profits go, it would be no different than someone working for a company, versus owning their own company. Legitimate business's always have overhead that includes a lease, utilities, security, etc. The pros would not have to worry about such things, just show up to work and do their job, all else is handled by the regulated property/business owner. Further their license could be revoked is they flunked too many random inspections or after so many police reports/incidents. I'm sure everyone would behave to reap the rewards that such a clean, healthy, safe environment could afford. Look to the USA's Chicken Ranch in Nevada or the Brothels in Amsterdam as examples. Though I see it as being even better.

What is imperative in any decision is that the "voices" of sex workers should be at the forefront of discussion regarding the sex industry. It is often the laws made with the sex workers' "protection" as the main point of interest, have the most devastating impacts on their work and safety.

For example the Swedish model of the sex industry regulation which is promoted by none other than the anti-sex work feminists and which the sex workers themselves declare it as contributing to unsafe workplaces and practices and most important, diminished empowerment.

Personally it think the terms 'sex-industy' and 'sex-workers', et all are badly used euphemisms for whats essentially slavery. As over here at least a large percentage of prostitutes are now trafficked-slaves used for sex and the people who visit them rapists. For those who aren't, i.e. 'old-style' prostitutes, I would think that what most of them would just want to be rid of their pimps and to keep all their 'wages'. So ideas of govt or privately run brothels seems a waste of time to me as why can't they work from home. Why not just make it not illegal to prostitute, make them keep receipts and records and tax their earnings, then they can call upon the law when a pimp tries to rob them of their legal earnings or a customer assaults them.

[bobevenson]

She?

He said he was a father. That would be a he.

I believe that was a ploy, but I'll wait for her to deny it.

[bobevenson]

Personally it think the terms 'sex-industy' and 'sex-workers', et all are badly used euphemisms for whats essentially slavery.

On what basis, pray tell, is this slavery?

[reasonvemotion]

Arising:

make them keep receipts and records................,

a lot of the street workers can hardly read or write, mainly due to their excessive drug habit.

What is attractive for the client and the street worker is his/her anonymity, no paperwork, no address, just sex and cash.


LOL ......................but as you would say, LMFHO.

[artisticsolution]

Do tell.

Tell me different?

Huh? I can't tell you different if I don't understand what you mean.

But I agree with what you say here:

Personally it think the terms 'sex-industy' and 'sex-workers', et all are badly used euphemisms for whats essentially slavery. As over here at least a large percentage of prostitutes are now trafficked-slaves used for sex and the people who visit them rapists. For those who aren't, i.e. 'old-style' prostitutes, I would think that what most of them would just want to be rid of their pimps and to keep all their 'wages'. So ideas of govt or privately run brothels seems a waste of time to me as why can't they work from home. Why not just make it not illegal to prostitute, make them keep receipts and records and tax their earnings, then they can call upon the law when a pimp tries to rob them of their legal earnings or a customer assaults them.

[artisticsolution]

It's not all about you.

What are you talking about, it's always all about me, and well it should be.

No Bob...you are wrong here. The minute you look at internet porn with a real person...that is when it ceases to be all about you.

[SpheresOfBalance]

The government continues to debate for more consistent and safer laws. Street prostitution, which is the most dangerous for women and places them at greatest risk of physical and sexual violence, could be more effectively discouraged and could be done by making the purchasing of street sex illegal.

Here is what I question....

What makes prostitution more dangerous for women than other careers?

IMO it is because it is illegal and considered a 'sin'. It is human nature to want to punish other people's sins. If prostitution was seen as a legit career then (eventually) there would not be the stigma attached and people would be less likely to feel as if they were doing something "wrong" and thus FEEL the need to punish someone else for their own guilt by association.

The fact is, sex is sex whether it is done in exchange for money or 'love'.

I agree with you AS at least as far as the results of your resolve goes. Perspective is one thing that philosophy should always call into question as it's often tied to antiquated dogmas, for instance religion as you have pointed out. Sex is just sex, as long as no one gets hurt, and measures can be instituted to ensure safety, and some people have problems feeling this close relationship, what ever their problem.

I can honestly say that I have been with a prostitute on several occasions, and that I actually loved what I knew of them. This is not to say that I knew them completely, how could I possibly in such a short amount of time, but does anyone really know another completely. We did more than just have sex, we hung out, talked and went places to do things together. Could I have married any one of them and taken them away from such things, sure, if my job would have allowed me to stay there for any real length of time. I at least, respected them, and understood why they did what they did, which is why I always gave them a gift of more than they asked for, though I realized it was impossible for me to save them, from potential problems, as I was a nobody, when it comes to monetary wealth.

If I had the power, I'd save the world. Though I see that, 'to save,' is relative, that unfortunately I cannot speak for everyone.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Spheres:

No, you misunderstood, I was not referring to the way things have been, i.e., illegal underground brothels, and only used the word brothel so as to be brief, as I tend to be long winded. What I meant was government regulated "brothels" where mandatory STD screening, was employed as well as having staff that was responsible for ensuring the peace and safety of both the pros and johns. Remember that prostitution outside one of these regulated brothels would be illegal. I see that it would catch on. I mean really, would you rather buy a product from a nice, clean brightly lit retail outlet or from a shady individual in a dark alley, from the back of his van? Most would choose the former, otherwise there would be a hell of a lot more of the latter. A john would choose the retail outlet, believing it to be safer, in all respects, and so would the smart pros. And as far as profits go, it would be no different than someone working for a company, versus owning their own company. Legitimate business's always have overhead that includes a lease, utilities, security, etc. The pros would not have to worry about such things, just show up to work and do their job, all else is handled by the regulated property/business owner. Further their license could be revoked is they flunked too many random inspections or after so many police reports/incidents. I'm sure everyone would behave to reap the rewards that such a clean, healthy, safe environment could afford. Look to the USA's Chicken Ranch in Nevada or the Brothels in Amsterdam as examples. Though I see it as being even better.

What is imperative in any decision is that the "voices" of sex workers should be at the forefront of discussion regarding the sex industry. It is often the laws made with the sex workers' "protection" as the main point of interest, have the most devastating impacts on their work and safety.

For example the Swedish model of the sex industry regulation which is promoted by none other than the anti-sex work feminists and which the sex workers themselves declare it as contributing to unsafe workplaces and practices and most important, diminished empowerment.

OK, but you seem to be saying that because it hasn't been done that it can't be done, which in logic is a non sequitur, (it does not necessarily follow, that it can't be done).

[SpheresOfBalance]

Spheres :

"You miss my point, no, you misunderstand, there you go, like some of the others, making assumptions, merely because of omisssion.

And if I said that your foolhardiness was delightful???"

It would go over my head. Chill out, relax a little and don't concern yourself what "some of the others" are thinking.

Obviously I was concerning myself with you, and not the others.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Spheres:

No, you misunderstood, I was not referring to the way things have been, i.e., illegal underground brothels, and only used the word brothel so as to be brief, as I tend to be long winded. What I meant was government regulated "brothels" where mandatory STD screening, was employed as well as having staff that was responsible for ensuring the peace and safety of both the pros and johns. Remember that prostitution outside one of these regulated brothels would be illegal. I see that it would catch on. I mean really, would you rather buy a product from a nice, clean brightly lit retail outlet or from a shady individual in a dark alley, from the back of his van? Most would choose the former, otherwise there would be a hell of a lot more of the latter. A john would choose the retail outlet, believing it to be safer, in all respects, and so would the smart pros. And as far as profits go, it would be no different than someone working for a company, versus owning their own company. Legitimate business's always have overhead that includes a lease, utilities, security, etc. The pros would not have to worry about such things, just show up to work and do their job, all else is handled by the regulated property/business owner. Further their license could be revoked is they flunked too many random inspections or after so many police reports/incidents. I'm sure everyone would behave to reap the rewards that such a clean, healthy, safe environment could afford. Look to the USA's Chicken Ranch in Nevada or the Brothels in Amsterdam as examples. Though I see it as being even better.

What is imperative in any decision is that the "voices" of sex workers should be at the forefront of discussion regarding the sex industry. It is often the laws made with the sex workers' "protection" as the main point of interest, have the most devastating impacts on their work and safety.

For example the Swedish model of the sex industry regulation which is promoted by none other than the anti-sex work feminists and which the sex workers themselves declare it as contributing to unsafe workplaces and practices and most important, diminished empowerment.

Personally it think the terms 'sex-industy' and 'sex-workers', et all are badly used euphemisms for whats essentially slavery. As over here at least a large percentage of prostitutes are now trafficked-slaves used for sex and the people who visit them rapists. For those who aren't, i.e. 'old-style' prostitutes, I would think that what most of them would just want to be rid of their pimps and to keep all their 'wages'. So ideas of govt or privately run brothels seems a waste of time to me as why can't they work from home. Why not just make it not illegal to prostitute, make them keep receipts and records and tax their earnings, then they can call upon the law when a pimp tries to rob them of their legal earnings or a customer assaults them.

Because of the past/present of which you speak, I see that bouncers would initially be required, and that the safest place would be that of a centralized location, so that a few bouncers could assure the safety of a greater number of people instantly, as the problem breaks out, to reduce overhead. I see that after a government lends credibility to pros, that others shall follow, eventually, thus finally potentially allowing a home based business of NOT prostitution, but rather COMPANIONSHIP. Lets dispense with a word that carries too many negative connotations. Companionship is really what it is, and as such, more pleasing to the senses.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Arising:

make them keep receipts and records................,

a lot of the street workers can hardly read or write, mainly due to their excessive drug habit.

What is attractive for the client and the street worker is his/her anonymity, no paperwork, no address, just sex and cash.


LOL ......................but as you would say, LMFHO.

Yes, but this is so, because of the mind set of the past/today. Why not talk of a tomorrow, were today's wrongs are righted. Where it's respectable to provide companionship, where someone has none, the poor lonely miserable life.