I Like The World Just The Way It Is.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Can this be a true statement?


Can this be a true philosophy?







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[The Voice of Time]

yes. Unless you figure a reason why not.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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I LOVE this statement:


I Like The World Just The Way It Is.



In a way, I think that it is, in itself, a GREAT philosophy. IF you can do it!





Then, another part of me feels that if I make the statement: I Like The World Just The Way It Is or ANY OTHER STATEMENT, by that nature, it is false.



By me making a statement, my world, is essentially NOT the way it is.


If I like the world the way it is I would have no thoughts. I would just react to the world around me.







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[henry quirk]

Can't see what philosophy has to do with it.

The world is squirrely: I like it that way.

I like the fight and the challenge.

This..."If I like the world the way it is I would have no thoughts"...is not my case.

Sure as shit I better 'think' (and act) or I die.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Is thinking organic?



Do you think or does it think?


...and you are just attached to thoughts because they are slow enough to follow?





Do we over think?


Do we dream too much?


Are all dreams, almost all thought an estrangement of reality?






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If I liked the world the way it is would there be any formulated thought?



Would I recognize that thought?







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[henry quirk]

Insofar as I can tell: 'I' think.

As for the rest: you're over-analyzing, Bill.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Have you ever challenged 'I'?


Are you able to analyze you? - 'I'?


The consciousness that says 'I am' is not the consciousness that thinks.'

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[henry quirk]

Bill, I self-interrogate all the time.

'I' (as a recursive, on-going, organic, event) exist.

You may be sumthin' entirely different (embodied soul, brain emulation, software in a D.o.D. computer, tec.); me: just an animal (with a particular and peculiar kind of complexity).

As for Sartre: fuck 'em...

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Yeah, I agree with your last statement, FUCK Sartre & EVERYTHING he/she EVER said. ...Enough said.




I guess what I was trying to say...in yet another, is that we are stuck encased within an individual human experience.

Each of our thoughts; every impression and expression is an estrangement of reality.


A pure consciousness, with I have only had a brief taste of, exists.


Perhaps a higher consciousness. One where we are less 'I' less 'you' or 'me'.





Thanks for adding to this thread.



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[henry quirk]

I don't feel estranged from the world.

Certainly: as a finite thing (animated , self-aware, meat), with limited senses and limited ability to process what my senses apprehend, I only comprehend a slice of the world, but that's enough for me to safely navigate in the world, to make use of what I find, to identify materials and (attempt to) shape them to my own ends. My limited information is enough to negotiate with others (to keep a peace or ready for war).

All in all: I'm okay being 'one' (frankly, the idea of not being 'I' is unappealing for me...being 'subsumed' into a higher consciousness: well, death is death and I don't wanna die…not just yet, anyway).

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Can this be a true statement?


Can this be a true philosophy?




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You can have any philosophy you want and choose to like whatever you want.
for me that statement is NOT true.

I would like less, pollution ..none if possible..
less disease... none if possible
and less crime ...no one if possible
less hunger.. none if possible..

so much for the top of my wish list.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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I'm with ya sister!


“What does labor want? We want more schoolhouses and less jails; more books and less arsenals; more learning and less vice; more leisure and less greed; more justice and less revenge; in fact, more of the opportunities to cultivate our better natures,”

~ Samuel Gompers ~






What you said is very, VERY close to my heart.



Thank you for adding to this thread.



Where have you been?






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[Arising_uk]

And apparently in this 'utopia' the sisters have a very important role to play.

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