Assist Science, be a researcher.

[Arising_uk]

What the weeb was built for.

https://www.zooniverse.org/

[bobevenson]

What the weeb was built for.

https://www.zooniverse.org/

I thought it was built to shop at Walmart, the largest retailer in the world.

[Arising_uk]

That, in the main, its become porn, shopping, 'social networks' and chit-chat just reflects the level of thought in the prole and the power of consumer capitalism to dumb-down most things to make a buck. Not that I'm agin it.

But actually no, it was built by Tim Berners-Lee to facilitate scientific research by allowing researchers to share and communicate results. Hence my post.

Based upon an idea in 1960's by the philosopher, sociologist and IT pioneer(IT sociolosopher)(wiki) Ted Nelson. Who by-the-bye thinks this about the weeb;

"Nelson claims some aspects of his vision are in the process of being fulfilled by Tim Berners-Lee's invention of the World Wide Web, but he dislikes the World Wide Web, XML and all embedded markup – regarding Berners-Lee's work as a gross over-simplification of his original vision:

HTML is precisely what we were trying to PREVENT— ever-breaking links, links going outward only, quotes you can't follow to their origins, no version management, no rights management." - Wiki quote.

[duszek]

How about brain-storming ?

Before you can verify something a possibility or an idea needs first to occur to you.

Internet enlarges my horizons.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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[Arising_uk]

Hi duszek,

How about brain-storming?

Before you can verify something a possibility or an idea needs first to occur to you.

Internet enlarges my horizons.

Where have I said it doesn't?

Do you mean the World Wide Web when you say Internet? As they are different things but I accept you may do more with the Internet than just use the Web(no bad thing).

What it also does is cause people to be lazy and take the first thing they find as truth, which in many cases is the Wikipedia, generally found from a Goggle search. Most then don't even bother fully reading the article or the caveats attached but just link it as tho' they 'know' something and have proved something by linking to it.

Do you know how they teach schoolchildren the Web in Singapore or maybe its South Korea. They give each child a laptop and a question to research but they have 2/3 teachers on hand to then show them how its not necessarily a fact or the truth that they've found and how then to research around to test its veracity and how to understand it.

People talk much about how the Web has allowed them access to the worlds knowledge but in most European countries and maybe America(but I don't know) they've always had such a resource, it was called a Library. Personally I doubt that those who couldn't be bothered with these will do much more with the weeb but could be wrong. I think the old saying about travel applies to the weeb, i.e. it broadens the mind of those with a mind to broaden.

I agree about verification and there's also just browsing to find things that stimulate ideas. I raised the issue because we were talking about Philosophy and I personally find the idea of only reading what agrees with what you already think unphilosophical.

What do you mean by 'brainstorming' in this instance? As I have a few meanings for such a process.
p.s.
Have you become a researcher for science yet?

[bobevenson]

To suggest that the man-on-the-street can be of any help at all to science is ingenuous at best and disingenuous at worst.

[Arising_uk]

To suggest that the man-on-the-street can be of any help at all to science is ingenuous at best and disingenuous at worst.

I take it that you've not followed the link nor read the research results produced by the man-on-the-street.

As contrary to what you think much of research science is sifting and classifying data using ones senses and simple criteria, something most can do. This is why the cosmologists were most grateful for the man-on-the-webs help with the galaxies and the other scientists are now taking advantage of it as well.

You have an elitist view of science as the thing about science is that all can learn to do it. Science is an activity, so if you choose your field carefully then you too can make discoveries and breakthroughs, they just might not get the press that an Einstein, Crick and Watson, et al, do. Interestingly enough Crick and Watson only made 'their' discovery due to the hard graft of Rosalind Elsie Franklin.

[bobevenson]

Amateurs have made scientific discoveries from time to time, but to imply that this is the usual state of affairs, it's all part of your rock and roll fantasy, it's all part of your rock and roll dr-e,-e,-e,-e,-am.

[Arising_uk]

What are you talking about bob?

Scientific discoveries are made all the time. Science is the Everyman subject. All you need is reason, a bit of maths and application and you too can be a scientist. Of course you have to accept the metaphysics that theres an external world that follows law-like laws that can be discovered and learn the epistemology of how scientific knowledge is gained but then theres a whole world out there to explore, limitless opportunities basically.

Your problem appears to be that you wish fame rather than knowledge to be the object of science.

[duszek]

I am a private and self-employed and un-paid researcher of the risks of a stroke for slim people.

Palpitation of the vestibules is my main area of interest. On TV a doctor was explaining that there might be a leak in the wall between the two vestibules and so venous blood gets into the arteries and clots get stuck in brain vessels.
Why do these palpitations happen at night ? Strange.
The puls is independent from this. I felt it on my wrist to make sure.

An example of idea-fishing on www (or brain-storming): I got the idea that oils can move into blood directly and congest it and produce blood clots. And sugar contributes too.
Before I got my little stroke of 1 minute on November 20, 2012, I had been drinking oils directly from bottles, by gulps (because if you are slim you do not need to bother about calories, and oils do not have cholesterol, this was my motivation), and I overindulged in honey (because it has enzymes and calories do not disturb me).

[Arising_uk]

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Palpitation of the vestibules is my main area of interest. On TV a doctor was explaining that there might be a leak in the wall between the two vestibules and so venous blood gets into the arteries and clots get stuck in brain vessels.
Why do these palpitations happen at night ? Strange.
The puls is independent from this. I felt it on my wrist to make sure.

My guess then is that your are having panic attacks.

An example of idea-fishing on www (or brain-storming): I got the idea that oils can move into blood directly and congest it and produce blood clots. And sugar contributes too.
Before I got my little stroke of 1 minute on November 20, 2012, I had been drinking oils directly from bottles, by gulps (because if you are slim you do not need to bother about calories, and oils do not have cholesterol, this was my motivation), and I overindulged in honey (because it has enzymes and calories do not disturb me).

Have you seen a doctor about this? Have they confirmed you had a stroke? If not I think you also may be a hypochondriac duszek.
p.s.
Doctors hate the weeb in this respect as people pretty much self-diagnose incorrectly and always think the worst.

[duszek]

I cannot have panic attacks because it is purely physical. I am not afraid of anything.
When I am afraid I do not watch my pulse and my heart.

My theory:
When you are sitting or walking then blood stays down and is pumped upwards. Vestibules are above the heart.
But when you lie down the blood can flow easily into the vestibules and flood through the leak and so the palpitations are a protection mechanism to remove the blood from where it should not be.
Whereas the puls remains unchanged.

I attended a series of lectures about the stroke and the symptoms I had were so unique and clear and scary that it was a TIA (transient ischemic attack).

My diet is focused on this question now: is this food good or bad for my blood ?

Is it possible to have too much blood ?
Once upon a time a doctor would take blood away from a patient in order to cure him. It must have been observed that losing and reproducing blood had beneficial effects in the patient.

[duszek]

How can a doctor confirm that a blood clot was stuck in my brain about four months ago and then was pushed further ?

[duszek]

What do you mean by hypochondriac ?

I notice something alarming and try to solve the problem by my own efforts and experiments.
I worry that a doctor (to be on the safe side) will give me pharmaceutical products with side effects and recommend some treatment with risks so I prefer to save myself.

Is this typical for a hypochondriac ?