Free will and hunger

[SpheresOfBalance]

Oh dear --- I feel an 'unsubscribe' coming on.

But why act so aloof, god like? Albeit a nasty one. Hey teacher, are you here to feel better at another's expense, or is it enough to just teach instead? You know, to be helpful to someone.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Your reply makes no sense

all the best, rantal

I have talked to Mark Q in the past, and have found that his second language being English, presents problems with accurate conveyance, quite possibly in both directions.

[Mark Question]

Mark Q: what determines their ability to seek and see?
They do.

is there any reason why they do?

Mark Q: where is the freedom if knowledge determines choosing?
Are you free to seek knowledge?

that is the question. am i free to seek knowledge, or is there always reasons and causes causing me to do so?

Mark Q: knowledge about free will is continuously becoming new? like knowledge about flat earth became new?
And now we know otherwise, so, sure!

and this new knowledge is coherent with scientific knowledge?

Mark Q: is free will a dogma?
Relatively speaking, yes, it is a philosophy, at least as it's applied. Free will is always relative, and as one makes it, ever more, a part of their active philosophy, their will is ever becoming more free, within the constraints, of what it is, in being currently human, of course.

and that philosophy is coherent with scientific knowledge?

[rantal]

Free will is no more of a dogma than determinism

all the best, rantal

[Mark Question]

Your reply makes no sense

all the best, rantal

I have talked to Mark Q in the past, and have found that his second language being English, presents problems with accurate conveyance, quite possibly in both directions.

my english is so bad that it is better than good for testing power of philosophy with bad language and simple sentences: is philosophy rhetorical or logical thinking, poetry?

i found this test with my native language or father tonque.

[rantal]

Philosophy really requires a good command of the language

all the best, rantal

[Mark Question]

Your reply makes no sense

all the best, rantal

logical truth like: "almighty (can deside who can see him because he) is almighty" is not universal and self-evident truth?
earth is not moving (107000km/h) is not universal direct everyones experience?
why everyones experience is self-evident? is common sense naive realism in philosophy, not self-evident?
what is self-evident?

Free will is no more of a dogma than determinism

all the best, rantal

flat earth is no more of a dogma than round earth?
are you free to choose or is there a reason making you to choose a dogma, a theory and coherent proof, evidences?

[Mark Question]

Philosophy really requires a good command of the language

all the best, rantal

we will see.
alea iacta est.

[rantal]

We've already seen, the die is cast and read. And your English is incomprehensible

all the best, urban

[SpheresOfBalance]

This response: SoB in blue

Mark Q: what determines their ability to seek and see?
SoB: They do.

Mark Q: is there any reason why they do?
I can't speak for everyone, but I see that they do it so as to know. They reason that to be the ultimate human, king of the animals, via tools, that were invented because of what we have come to know, knowledge is the key element, that makes us more capable, successful, and thus live longer, the most desired attribute of all life, to stay death for even a second longer. At least I see this as the crux of the matter. And of course to know in truth, what it is, in being human, at our fullest potential, which requires knowledge of everything, that it is, in being a human, born of this universe.

Mark Q: where is the freedom if knowledge determines choosing?
SoB: Are you free to seek knowledge?

Mark Q: that is the question. am i free to seek knowledge, or is there always reasons and causes causing me to do so?
You make distinctions, where I see there are none, you and your reason are one in the same thing, and causes, if you are referring to those internal to the being, are again, the same as you, to reiterate, ones relative level of knowledge, yields their relative level of reason, internal conflict, thus these internal causes, all of which are you, that only you have the ability to reconcile, by expanding your knowledge of self, which encompasses the entire universe, of which you're born.

Mark Q: knowledge about free will is continuously becoming new? like knowledge about flat earth became new?
SoB: And now we know otherwise, so, sure!

Mark Q: and this new knowledge is coherent with scientific knowledge?
I see that science is the most accurate implementation of the seeking of knowledge, that mankind has ever used before, and was, of course, a product of our knowledge. Of course I see that science is ever changing, keeping up with our current state of knowledge, thus one of the main reasons why it is the best, yet, method, that man has, to work at understanding himself fully.

Mark Q: is free will a dogma?
SoB: Relatively speaking, yes, it is a philosophy, at least as it's applied. Free will is always relative, and as one makes it, ever more, a part of their active philosophy, their will is ever becoming more free, within the constraints, of what it is, in being currently human, of course.

Mark Q: and that philosophy is coherent with scientific knowledge?
As far as I'm concerned, yes, as philosophy is the father of all science, again, as scientific inquiry is the most pure (accurate) method we have ever used to understand the universal truth of things. Remember that science is ever evolving, in pace with current human abilities (evolving). The only time a specific bit of it remains fixed, is when we have decided that it is in fact unwavering knowledge, or while we are presently incapable of furthering it's evolution, or lastly, if no one is actively pushing it's boundaries.

[bobevenson]

Philosophy really requires a good command of the language.

Either that or a good command of the game Ouzo.

[rantal]

Philosophy really requires a good command of the language.

Either that or a good command of the game Ouzo.

No, that's of no use or relevance in philosophy

all the best, rantal

[bobevenson]

No, that's of no use or relevance in philosophy

Are you suggesting that spiritual insight into the human condition is not relevant to philosophy?

[SpheresOfBalance]

Your reply makes no sense

all the best, rantal

I have talked to Mark Q in the past, and have found that his second language being English, presents problems with accurate conveyance, quite possibly in both directions.

my english is so bad that it is better than good for testing power of philosophy with bad language and simple sentences: is philosophy rhetorical or logical thinking, poetry?

i found this test with my native language or father tonque.

I'm sure you're aware that I was not slighting you, in any way. I have the utmost respect for those that know and speak in more than one language. As my dumb-ass, can barely handle one. I just realize that sometimes it's hard to breach the language barrier, effectively. I was actually trying to give you an out, in the eyes of those, that may view you otherwise.

I just wanted to explain myself, so that you fully understood my intent, despite any possible perception.

PEACE, my friend!

[rantal]

No, that's of no use or relevance in philosophy

Are you suggesting that spiritual insight into the human condition is not relevant to philosophy?

No only having read your text, it is devoid of insight of any kind

all the best, rantal