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As I have said on many occasions, evolution is a scientific theory because it is subject to falsification. In other words, the observable evidence may well show the theory to be incorrect. Creationism is not a scientific theory because it cannot be falsified.
HAHAHAHA. Again you are ignorant of a topic of which 100% knowledge is claimed. This is why i (try) to reserve my time to the 1% of atheists/evolutionists who have actually read the bible of the atheism/'evolution' CULT (Charles Darwins 'On the origin of faeces i mean species').

#1. 'Evolution' is not falsifiable because it is not even science (not change in gene frequency or speciation). Genesis predicts animals bring forth after their kind (fill in the gaps yourself). Thank you for your ignorance of science, life and the religion of the worship of the corpse of an idiot (Darwin).
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jinx wrote:
As I have said on many occasions, evolution is a scientific theory because it is subject to falsification. In other words, the observable evidence may well show the theory to be incorrect. Creationism is not a scientific theory because it cannot be falsified.
HAHAHAHA. Again you are ignorant of a topic of which 100% knowledge is claimed. This is why i (try) to reserve my time to the 1% of atheists/evolutionists who have actually read the bible of the atheism/'evolution' CULT (Charles Darwins 'On the origin of faeces i mean species').

#1. 'Evolution' is not falsifiable because it is not even science (not change in gene frequency or speciation). Genesis predicts animals bring forth after their kind (fill in the gaps yourself). Thank you for your ignorance of science, life and the religion of the worship of the corpse of an idiot (Darwin).


You can forget the bully boy tactics they won't wash with me. You can discussthe matter in a logical way with me or you can forget it.


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Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:24:And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Genesis:25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Animals bring forth after their kind. This is science. This is observable.
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jinx wrote:Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:24:And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Genesis:25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Animals bring forth after their kind. This is science. This is observable.
That's better.

Yes, it is observable, that animals bring forth after their kind. I also believe God thought it was good. However, we can not test by way of any experiment the validity of the idea that God thought it was good. I sure in my own mind that he did, but this claim is non-falsifiable. It must be non-falsifiable because they Bible says he thought it was good. It's good enough for you and me, but not good enough for science because it cannot be falsified.


P.S. Look, don't get me wrong I think Creationism is a very good metaphysical theory, but it's not a scientific theory.
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Strictly speaking, evolution by natural selection, is also not falsifiable; what kind of experiment are you going to conduct to refute it?

It is, however, a very good theory with a huge amount of evidence

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Strictly speaking, evolution by natural selection, is also not falsifiable; what kind of experiment are you going to conduct to refute it?

It is, however, a very good theory with a huge amount of evidence

all the best, rantal
'Evolution' has multiple meanings. 'Change in gene frequency via natural selection' is a scientific fact. 'Speciation via natural selection' is also a scientific fact. 'Any change in any living thing ever via natural selection' is also a scientific fact given the complete absence of a Mendelian mechanism for anything otherwise. 'Fish to something other than a fish via natural selection' is by definition scientifically impossible. Again that has never been observed so it is not science to begin with. Someone is welcome to believe it by religious faith but it is not science.

Baraminology is devoted to classifying created kinds.

http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/ar ... nology.htm

http://creation.com/ligers-and-wholphins-what-next

Yes it is a 'scientific theory' IF someones definition of science is the ACTUAL definition of it (any dictionary- ie OBSERVABLE phenomena) if someone either because of indoctrination or because they just hate God wants to restrict science to 'evolution did it' then no it is not. It is a completely different model based on Genesis and not Charles Darwins myths.
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jinx wrote:... 'Evolution' =the lie to get mankind to disqualify themselves from seeing Jesus as God/being saved. Very VERY effective.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nuff said about the psychology of the YECs.
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jinx wrote:This is for the 1% and not the other 99%.
Do you include yourself in this 1%?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17708768

In each of these pivotal nexuses in life's history, the principal "types" seem to appear rapidly and fully equipped with the signature features of the respective new level of biological organization. No intermediate "grades" or intermediate forms between different types are detectable.
I have no idea why you posted this link in support of your argument that evolution does not exist as it presupposes it in every word? Although it was interesting as there has long been discussion about punctuated and explosive evolution but it definitely began to lose the plot at the end with its digression into physics.

I thought fossil studies and biology fairly replete with intermediate forms? This is the old 'missing link' idea with new terms. You ignore that if the point of evolution via natural selection occurs then the older forms would have been bred out. You also ignore that since Genetics we can now identify when species began to differ according to gene sequence.
'Evolution' is not a 'theory'. Hypothesis-observation-theory. ...
Can you see your error here? Its at the end of your triple and is what the Theory of Evolution is, a theory that best explains the observations. It think it also observation- hypothesis-experiment-observation-etc-theory in the main.
... The myth i mean claim that a fish can produce something other than a fish is an untestable conjecture/hypothesis (the official myth is the (delusional) process started and stopped happening pre 6,000 years of written history). Again please do not conflate myth with science. Darwins myths have putrefied every area of science. 'Evolution' has 0 explanatory power because it never happened and no, 'evolution' is NOT open to questioning (have to protect a process that never happened from critical analysis and thought, or else no one would believe it).
Darwins theory, unlike religious dogma, has been questioned and tested since its inception and it just keeps getting refined and stronger. You are allowing your faith to colour your reason but then thats the point I suppose. I think your problem is that you cannot think about geological time as you don't believe the world is old enough, however geology appears to prove you wrong, as such you cannot conceive of the timescales, needed for incremental changes by mutation and sifted via natural selection to produce the complexity of the species we see from the simple cellular creatures that started life. So its no surprise that you cling to this only fish from fish idea. Although the paper you linked to does posit that evolution may also work in spurts and the Burgess-shale does appear to show such an explosion of evolution, so maybe we don't always require such timescales to produce the various forms but even if they occur the process of NS via mutation would still be in action to reward the advantageous ones.
Yes.
My apologies, my unfortunate habit of using negation means I'm unsure if your answer, so "Do you believe the world is 6000 years old and that a 'God, created the Earth and all the animals in six days"?
Physics is not redundant though in the 'evolution' worldview there is no point to the study/observation of nature (why should one mistake (mankind-homo sapiens in the 'evolution' worldview) be able to understand another mistake (nature)). Science is inherently a YEC enterprise. Once again thank you for your ignorance of science life and yada yada yada ;)
Not so, if your 'God' can muck about with the laws of Physics then Physics and the study and observation of nature is pointless.

The Theory of Evolution in Biology is exactly an example of the theoretical part of the scientific method. Its also, with the discovery of the Gene now made Biology an actual Engineering Science as before that it was basically just taxonomy. Although one could argue that Chemistry also did this but since DNA and Genes appear to apply to all living things it appears more apt for Biology.

The YEC enterprise is inherently an example of some religious people trying to retain their faith in their more unsustainable beliefs in the face of science discovering the actual functions behind the observations, i.e. its worried that their 'why's are threatened by the 'hows'.

I fail to understand why some theists do this, not all as the Catholic Church appears to accept the Theory of Evolution(not surprising given the role some of their priest have played in creating it), as all you have to do is keep shoving the cause backwards, 'God started that', and your faith is thereby unassailable, as has been pointed-out to you, science does not, essentially, concern itself with 'first causes' rather just functions.
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jinx wrote:University biology teachers KNOWINGLY indoctrinate their students. People dont seem to realise the complete absence of genetic mechanism for adding NEW things like organ systems, biochemical pathways etc etc.
Which part of mutation don't you understand?
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Mutations are mistakes. Hospitals are full of people with mutations dying from cancer and other diseases.
You ignore that if the point of evolution via natural selection occurs
Which definition of 'evolution'? Change in gene frequency? Speciation? Mutation? Descent with modification? Any change in any living thing ever? The myth that Genesis is not the literal history of the universe and Adam and Eve did not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil after being tempted by the serpent after God commanded them not to and that Charles Darwin wasnt an idiot? Yes you mean the last one. Thank you for your ignorance of science ,life and the religion of the worship of the corpse of an idiot (Darwin). 'Evolution' = the greatest myth EVER and once again you fell for it AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
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jinx wrote:Mutations are mistakes. Hospitals are full of people with mutations dying from cancer and other diseases.
Ah! Glad you brought this up as I forget to question it when I saw it before.

Is it because you believe in a 'God' with a plan that you find the idea of mutation a mistake, i.e. a disadvantageous event? As from what we see of it they appear very advantageous to those that confer a reproductive advantage.
Which definition of 'evolution'? Change in gene frequency? Speciation? Mutation? Descent with modification? Any change in any living thing ever? The myth that Genesis is not the literal history of the universe and Adam and Eve did not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil after being tempted by the serpent after God commanded them not to and that Charles Darwin wasnt an idiot? Yes you mean the last one. Thank you for your ignorance of science ,life and the religion of the worship of the corpse of an idiot (Darwin). 'Evolution' = the greatest myth EVER and once again you fell for it AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
I think you mean MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Nope, just the general definition in Biology that the complexity of species can be explained by inherited changes in the phenotype that confer a reproductive advantage in a world that naturally selects out due to this advantage, without any need for an external 'God' to assist. Because Darwin was a Christian he was very loathe to publish his theory as he could see where it might lead but in the end science will out despite what the more loony of the godbotherers desire.

Do you know why your 'God' expelled your mythical Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden?
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There are thousands of diseases caused by mutations. 'Beneficial' mutations (misnomer) dont add new nucleotides for new proteins (sickle cell trait) they are loss of function mutations. Please go stand out in the sun on a hot day and get some 'beneficial' mutations.
Because Darwin was a Christian he was very loathe to publish his theory as he could see where it might lead but in the end science will out despite what the more loony of the godbotherers desire.
No Darwin was not a 'christian'. Yes science does win. 'Evolution' loses.

Everyone one earth (including evolutionists/atheists) shares a common ancestor with Adam and Eve ~6,000 years ago in the Garden of Eden. They sinned now mankind is fallen. Jesus was the offering for mankinds sin. You chose Charles over him. Thank you for your ignorance of science life and the religion of the worship of the corpse of an idiot (Darwin).
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jinx wrote:There are thousands of diseases caused by mutations. 'Beneficial' mutations (misnomer) dont add new nucleotides for new proteins (sickle cell trait) they are loss of function mutations. Please go stand out in the sun on a hot day and get some 'beneficial' mutations.
What, like the one that allows me to convert sunlight into Vitamin D?
No Darwin was not a 'christian'. ...
Yes he was, he too believed in your 'God'.
Yes science does win. ...

Everyone one earth (including evolutionists/atheists) shares a common ancestor with Adam and Eve ~6,000 years ago in the Garden of Eden. They sinned now mankind is fallen. Jesus was the offering for mankinds sin.
LMFAO and ROTFL that you can put these sentences together.

Geology escapes you?

I can understand why you dislike the theory and the discovery of its mechanism as its pretty much the Tree of Life that your 'God' expelled your mythical Adam and Eve from this 'Garden of Eden' to stop them eating from it.
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The Bible's accuracy in predicting the future can be read in The Book of Daniel. This is an outline of world history from Daniel's time to our time today.

It clearly describes what King Nebuchadnezzar had seen in his dream, a statue made up of gold, silver, bronze, iron and then the feet of iron and clay.

Each of these correspondending metals represents a kingdom that would rule the world. Daniel 2:31-35.

Gold, the head represented Babylon, which ruled the world from 605 BC to 539 B.C. It would not last forever and was overthrown by the second dominant world power.

Silver, the breast and arms, which was the Medes and Persians, they ruled from 539 B.C. TO 331 B.C.

Bronze, the belly and thighs, was the nation of Greece. They were known for their bronze-plated armor. Greece has been described as the goat that tramples down Media-Persia, the ram. Greece over threw the Medes and the Persians in 331 B.C.

Iron, the legs, the feet part of iron and clay, was the Roman Empire. They conquered the Greeks in 168 B.C. and of course the Romans ruled the world during the time of Christ. In the book, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, it was referred to "the iron monarchy of Rome" using the exact expression from the bible.

The feet of the statue were made up of iron and clay which do not cleave. It was then predicted the Roman Empire would divide, which occurred from A.D. 351 TO A.D. 476. "but they will not adhere to one another, Chapter 2, Verse 43.

History has followed this prophecy like a blueprint. Dictators and rulers have attempted to unite Europe, but have failed. The Roman Empire was divided, the divisions of the empire into the easten and western sections formed the foundation of the nations located in Europe today.

The last part of the prophecy is in Daniel 2:44, 45.
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What, like the one that allows me to convert sunlight into Vitamin D?
That did not arise from mutation (that would be impossible) i do not know who lied to you/misinformed you that it did. Strike one.
Yes he was, he too believed in your 'God'.
All through out origins Darwin is like 'blah blah blah this would be difficult to explain under the theory of creation'. Strike two.
Geology escapes you?
That literature i cited before shows the myth of 'evolution'. Strike three.

Hay you hate God. To each his own. But your creation myth ('evolution') has NO basis in science. BTW in the neo-darwinian model everyone on earth shares a common ancestor with one man (Y-chromosomal Adam) and one woman (mitochondrial Eve) so if someone believes neo-darwinian 'evolution' they have themselves sharing a common ancestor with one man and one woman (they are 194,000 years WRONG). Strike four and your outtaaa here!
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