sushil_yadav wrote:...Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
No worries, sushil_yadav, the selfish, ignorant man shall meet his doom at his own hands, the fools that they are. Rejoice that mother earth shall be at peace soon enough. It would seem that life was ill spent on mankind, as he can't see it, for the self! Let us hope for the next, improved, similar species, that they are far less selfish, and far more intelligent, such they can actually see the totality of their symbiotic biosphere, and the fact that it is they, and they are it, as only that species shall rule wisely.
bobevenson wrote:No, it's socialism and government oppression that destroy mind and environment.
Well it would seem that sushil_yadav, and at least I, think otherwise.
What you and that other guy think, of course, is pure bullshit. I suggest you get in tune with reality, and discover that people don't want to live in caves anymore, subsist on inadequate food, clothing and shelter, and give up their conveniences, including modern healthcare.
bobevenson wrote:No, it's socialism and government oppression that destroy mind and environment.
Well it would seem that sushil_yadav, and at least I, think otherwise.
What you and that other guy think, of course, is pure bullshit. I suggest you get in tune with reality, and discover that people don't want to live in caves anymore, subsist on inadequate food, clothing and shelter, and give up their conveniences, including modern healthcare.
He's not answering to what people want, he's answering to what they need.
But actually I see that his problem could be solved another way.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need, Oh yeah!
SpheresOfBalance wrote:You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need, Oh yeah!
I saw them today at the reception, in their glass was a bleeding man. They were practiced at the art of deception. Well, I could tell by their blood-stained hands.
Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.
Environment has been destroyed by Urban Population, Urban Work and Urban Education.
All Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is being run by Urban Population and Urban Education.
Industrial Activity has destroyed so much environment in 250 years that there is hardly any environment left to save.
Industrial Activity for production of thousands of consumer goods and services must stop immediately....Millions of other species get only food from earth....The maximum that man can/ should get is food, clothing and shelter....Urban Dwellers have to either transform into full time food producers or they have to stop working.
Billions of animals are being slaughtered in Industrial Slaughter Houses every day.....Billions of fish are being killed by Industrial Fishing every day....Millions of acres of Forests are being destroyed by Industrial Activity every day....Millions of wild animals in forests are being killed by Industrial Activity every day.....Millions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste is being added to environment every day....Millions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous Waste and eWaste are being added to environment every day.... Millions of acres of Fertile Soil is being killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt every day....Nuclear Industry has produced millions of tonnes of Nuclear Waste which will keep contaminating the planet with hazardous radioactivity for the next thousands of years.
Progress, Growth, Development.
This is terminology for all unnecessary and destructive work being done by Urban Population.
Growth Rate - Economy Rate - GDP.
These are figures for all unnecessary and destructive work being done by Urban Population.
If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.
If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.
If Urban Society stops all its supplies to Villages......electricity, oil, machinery, equipment and consumer goods, Villagers will survive forever.
If Villages stop all their supplies to Cities......Food Grains and Vegetables, Urban Population will die within a month.
[ Villagers need Electricity, Oil, Machinery and Equipment to produce food for the Urban Population , They would not need these things to produce food for themselves]
Urban Work is not only dispensable it is highly injurious to planet earth.
Two centuries of Urban Work after industrialization has destroyed most of the biodiversity and ecosystems on earth.
Urban Work must stop immediately.
Cities, Urban Dwellers, Urban Work and Urban Education are a curse on this planet.
Urban Dwellers are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.
Urban Dwellers are serial killers of nature....Serial Killers of Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land.
If consumer goods are eliminated from cities people will not die....If food and water are eliminated from cities people will die.
*Growth Rate* - *Economy Rate* - *GDP*
These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".
Urban Population is a curse on this planet....Urban Dwellers are a curse on this planet.
Urban Population has destroyed necessary things [Animals, trees, Air, Water and Land] for making unnecessary things [Consumer Goods and Services]
Food, clothing and shelter are necessities, Not thousands of consumer goods and services.
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For millions of years "Searching For Food" / "Producing Food" were the primary occupations of almost the entire human population in Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian Society.
There is Zero chance of saving the little environment that is left on earth without fixing the problem of "Urban Population".
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All Urban Dwellers are Eco Killers.....Adults as well as Children.
Urban Adults are already destroying environment by running Industrial Activity for production and marketing of thousands of consumer goods and services......Children are being groomed to do the same in future through Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education.
School and University Education has destroyed environment....All Industrial Activity is being run by Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education.
Everything in Cities is destructive in nature......Urban Dwellers, Urban Work, Urban Education.....Everything.
Environment has been destroyed by Urban Dwellers, Urban Work and Urban Education.
The source / cause of all Industrial Activity is Urban Population, Urban Work and Education.
**Urban population trying to save environment is like Petrol trying to extinguish a fire.**
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Rural Population of this world is doing work.....Urban Population of this world is doing destructive work.
Rural Population is producing food......Urban Population is producing thousands of consumer goods and services.
Since Urban Population is not producing food, it has created thousands of unnecessary professions to keep itself occupied [People would go crazy without work]....Destructive works and professions of Urban Dwellers include Production of consumer goods and services, Marketing of consumer goods and services, Jobs in Tourism Industry, Entertainment Industry, Sports Industry, Military Industrial Complex, All kinds of unnecessary research and jobs in hundreds of other fields.
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Why should rest of the world suffer for the decadent and destructive lifestyle of Urban Dwellers????
Why should Forests be destroyed for the Industrial Projects of Urban Dwellers????
Why should Animals and Trees die for the Industrial Projects of Urban Dwellers????
Why should Villages and Tribal Land be destroyed for the Industrial Projects of Urban Dwellers????
Why should Rivers, Lakes and Oceans be destroyed for the Industrial Projects of Urban Dwellers????
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A fraction of world population producing food for entire population....This is the root cause of all environmental destruction.
Rural Population producing food for Urban Population....This is the root cause of all environmental destruction.
Urban Population is not producing food, It is doing *Extra* Work which is causing *Extra* Destruction of environment.....Urban Population is producing thousands of consumer goods and services which has led to *Exponential* Extra Destruction of environment.
All Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is being run and promoted by Urban Population of the world.
Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth....The biggest act of killing, murder and terrorism on earth.
This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" Societies.
Hunter_Gatherer Society was sustainable.....Agrarian Society was sustainable.....The question of Industrial Society being sustainable doesn't arise.
We cannot save environment by destroying more of it.....We cannot save environment by destroying it for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.
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Animal Species had Zero Percent Urban Population.......Hunter_Gatherer Society had Zero Percent Urban Population.......Agrarian Society had less than Two Percent Urban Population.......All these societies sustained for millions of years collectively.
The current Industrial Society which has 50% Urban Population worldwide has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems in just 250 years after Industrial Revolution.......Industrial Activity has been promoted by Urban Population......Industrial Activity has been promoted by people who do not produce food.
This planet can sustain Animal Species.....It can sustain Hunter_Gatherer Human Society......It can sustain Agrarian Human Society......It cannot sustain Industrial Human Society.
This planet can only sustain food producing societies where almost the entire population is engaged in food production......It cannot sustain an Industrial Society where 50% of world population is growing food for entire population and the remaining 50% living in cities is promoting Industrial Activity.
Animals saved environment for millions of years because they destroyed it only for food.....Hunter_Gatherer Society saved environment because it destroyed environment only for food.....Agrarian Society saved environment because it destroyed environment only for food, clothing and shelter.
Industrial Society has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems because it destroyed environment for "Thousands of consumer goods and services" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.
In the Animal Kingdom, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society almost the entire population was engaged in "Searching for Food" / "Growing Food".
It is the Urban Population that is engaged in and promoting all kinds of Industrial Activity ......Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Transportation Industry, Construction Industry, Recycling Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Millions of kilometers of Rail & Road network, Air Routes and Shipping Lanes.
Food, clothing and shelter......These are the maximum number of things this planet can provide to humans......The only way to save the remaining environment is by reorganizing the entire population so that food production remains the only primary activity just like it was for millions of years before Industrialization.
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Industrial Society has existed for barely 250 years which comes to almost Zero Percent of Total Human Existence on earth....In fact Industrial Society has existed for only about 100 years....Although Industrial Revolution started 250 years ago most of the world became heavily industrialized only in the last 100 years....100 years of Industrial Activity has destroyed this planet.....100 years of Industrial Activity has destroyed what was not destroyed in millions of years on earth.
Humans have spent more than 99.99% of their time on earth in Non-Industrial Societies [Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian].....Industrial Society is an Anomaly....Only Non-Industrial Societies are sustainable on earth.
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A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion.......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization.......In the absence of industrialization world population would have been less than 2 billion today.
If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.
At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.
We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated.
We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse.......The only way to save the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for production of consumer goods and services immediately........Industrial Activity must be primarily limited to food, clothing and shelter.......and even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.....The food should of course be vegan/ vegetarian as far as possible.
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Look, I agree that there is a problem that must be met, and quickly. But you are an extremist. People are not responsible for the environment they are born into. Where do you live, is it were you were born? How could you possibly be responsible for all that happened before you were born? And as you were growing up, in the shadows of your elders, did you tell them how it should be, or listen to them tell you, how it should be. If you told them, would they necessarily have listened, or would they have put you in your place? Who is in charge, the one that is fed by the parents and told to go and tend the goats/pets or the one that bought/owns the goats/pets?
I SHALL AGREE WITH YOU THAT THOSE IN CHARGE ARE RESPONSIBLE, BUT WHEN YOU BLAME CHILDREN, YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD UP YOUR ASS!
THERE ARE NO BAD CHILDREN, ONLY BAD PARENTS!!!!!!!!!!!
Now as to the problem of population versus resources, do you want to be the first to volunteer giving up his life so as to balance the equation?
Seemingly, you rant about what it is you want, that's selfishness, as you condemn all but yourself. How about trying yo come up with solution that benefits all the idiots of the earth, as surely they know not what they do, SURELY!
sushil_yadav wrote:Environment has been destroyed by Urban Population, Urban Work and Urban Education.
Right, India, virtually still in the stone age, telling the rest of the world to go back to their caves.
Technophiles who ridicule Luddites are the biggest fools.
Luddism is the normality, Industrial Technology is an anomaly.
This world was luddite for millions of years.....Industrial Machines have existed for only 250 years.
Luddism did not destroy Biodiversity and Ecosystems for millions of years.....Industrial Machines have destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems in just 250 years.
Animals did not use Industrial Machines for millions of years and did not destroy environment for millions of years.
Hunter_Gatherer Society did not use Industrial Machines for 1 million of years and did not destroy environment for 1 million years.
Agrarian Society did not use Industrial Machines for 10,000 years and caused very limited destruction of environment in 10,000 years.
Industrial Society used Industrial Machines and has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems in just 250 years.
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In fact Industrial Society has existed for only about 100 years....Although Industrial Revolution started 250 years ago most of the world became heavily industrialized only in the last 100 years....100 years of Industrial Activity has destroyed this planet.....100 years of Industrial Activity has destroyed what was not destroyed in millions of years on earth.
Humans have spent more than 99.99% of their time on earth in Non-Industrial Societies [Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian].....Industrial Society is an Anomaly....Only Non-Industrial Societies are sustainable on earth.
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sushil_yadav wrote:Humans have spent more than 99.99% of their time on earth in Non-Industrial Societies [Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian].....Industrial Society is an Anomaly....Only Non-Industrial Societies are sustainable on earth.
Why don't you practice what you preach and live in a cave? No, you couldn't survive nor want to without your industrial trappings, my friend.
sushil_yadav wrote:Humans have spent more than 99.99% of their time on earth in Non-Industrial Societies [Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian].....Industrial Society is an Anomaly....Only Non-Industrial Societies are sustainable on earth.
Why don't you practice what you preach and live in a cave? No, you couldn't survive nor want to without your industrial trappings, my friend.
People should read the thread carefully before posting silly replies.
sushil_yadav wrote: ..
Industrial Society has existed for barely 250 years which comes to almost Zero Percent of Total Human Existence on earth....In fact Industrial Society has existed for only about 100 years....Although Industrial Revolution started 250 years ago most of the world became heavily industrialized only in the last 100 years....100 years of Industrial Activity has destroyed this planet.....100 years of Industrial Activity has destroyed what was not destroyed in millions of years on earth.
Humans have spent more than 99.99% of their time on earth in Non-Industrial Societies [Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian].....Industrial Society is an Anomaly....Only Non-Industrial Societies are sustainable on earth.
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A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion.......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization.......In the absence of industrialization world population would have been less than 2 billion today.
If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.
At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.
We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated.
We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse.......The only way to save the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for production of consumer goods and services immediately........Industrial Activity must be primarily limited to food, clothing and shelter.......and even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.
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Animal Species searched for Food
Hunter_Gatherer Society searched for Food
Agrarian Society produced Food
Rural Industrial Society is producing Food
Urban Industrial Society is producing Thousands of Consumer Goods and Services.
Urban Industrial Society is the Anomaly.
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The work of Urban Industrial Society is Extra, Unnecessary and Destructive.
Urban Work has destroyed environment.....Urban Work must stop immediately.
Urban Dwellers are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.
Production of Industrial Consumer Goods must stop immediately.
Urban Dwellers have to either transform into full time food producers or they have to stop working....They can be given food for free in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work.
This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" societies....For millions of years "searching for food"/ "producing food" was the primary occupation on earth.
Rortabend wrote:
Chief Seattle of the Indian Tribe had given a prophetic warning to the consumerist western civilization way back in 1854.
Only after the last tree has been cut down
Only after the last river has been poisoned
Only after the last fish has been caught
Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten
sushil_yadav
Koyaanisqatsi
I have that poster on my bedroom wall.[seattle].
Your post was cool thou as suggested.. make it story.
I format all my posts as short stories.
people like stories.. dry facts bore them.
This is where i am most not aspergers. i consider
feeling as a gift i do not have.
Thus i will die alone [and glad for it]
keep posting.you have one accolyte.
prill
PS. watch movie 'outlaw josey wales'
the indian chief is more than just brilliant.
eastwood is a master
