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[Godfree]

While society blames god for our misery,
we will never address the real cause of the problems ,
,,!!!

I dont think society blames God for 'our' misery, I think it is very clear that man's stupidity is largely to blame.
Also I dont hate this stupidity or the cruelness of life...I think life is fantastic actually.
The hate i had was soley at God for certain 'tests' that i was put through, escpecially around 2003, but talking of God's evil with an atheist is rather redundant.
Belief in God is not irrational, believing it's a purely loving entity is. Agnosticsm is a far more rational stance than atheism.

Belief in god is irrational ,
lets examine irrational , impulsive ,not thought through , unfounded ,
because we have NO PROOF for the existence of god ,
we have to do the leap of faith thing ,
there is no unbroken line from this world to god , it requires the leap ,
so thats the irrational part , the leap , if you understand language at all ,
you must realize a leap of faith is there to cross the gap , between reality ,
and this god you have invented ,
that is irrational , we have no proof , you are jumping into the unknown ,
you are leaving this world , because of the belief , there is another ,
if you are so convinced there must be a god ,
then explain how god came to be , why and how would there be god ,
if god is an automatic assumption , which seems to be the case ,
why ,??? , where's is the proof, and until we have some ,
why not assume no god ,???

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

While society blames god for our misery,
we will never address the real cause of the problems ,
,,!!!

I dont think society blames God for 'our' misery, I think it is very clear that man's stupidity is largely to blame.
Also I dont hate this stupidity or the cruelness of life...I think life is fantastic actually.
The hate i had was soley at God for certain 'tests' that i was put through, escpecially around 2003, but talking of God's evil with an atheist is rather redundant.
Belief in God is not irrational, believing it's a purely loving entity is. Agnosticsm is a far more rational stance than atheism.

Belief in god is irrational ,
lets examine irrational , impulsive ,not thought through , unfounded ,
because we have NO PROOF for the existence of god ,
we have to do the leap of faith thing ,
there is no unbroken line from this world to god , it requires the leap ,
so thats the irrational part , the leap , if you understand language at all ,
you must realize a leap of faith is there to cross the gap , between reality ,
and this god you have invented ,
that is irrational , we have no proof , you are jumping into the unknown ,
you are leaving this world , because of the belief , there is another ,
if you are so convinced there must be a god ,
then explain how god came to be , why and how would there be god ,
if god is an automatic assumption , which seems to be the case ,
why ,??? , where's is the proof, and until we have some ,
why not assume no god ,???

I did assume no God for a very long time. But with God and God's word life just feels better, and IS better, versus winging it alone. Science is a cold master. And because,

This life cannot be properly understood without considering the spiritual realm, a realm that improves on and ultimately determines the material realm in which we live day to day.~Moo.

[attofishpi]

Belief in god is irrational ,
lets examine irrational , impulsive ,not thought through , unfounded ,
because we have NO PROOF for the existence of god ,
we have to do the leap of faith thing ,

I agree YOU have no proof of God, so you have made the ASSumption there isnt one.

there is no unbroken line from this world to god , it requires the leap ,
so thats the irrational part , the leap , if you understand language at all ,
you must realize a leap of faith is there to cross the gap , between reality ,
and this god you have invented ,

So i invented God did I. Fuck me i'm the Supreme Being.

that is irrational , we have no proof , you are jumping into the unknown ,
you are leaving this world , because of the belief , there is another ,
if you are so convinced there must be a god ,
then explain how god came to be ,
why and how would there be god ,

see you in metaphysics Godfree....viewtopic.php?f=16&t=9390

if god is an automatic assumption , which seems to be the case ,
why ,??? , where's is the proof, and until we have some ,
why not assume no god ,???

It is far wiser to not assume there is no God.
This entity laid down rules...rules that if broken have consequences, and also made suggestion of a better life when abiding by those rules.
So just on the ''off'' chance that God actually does exist, would you not agree it is more rational to behave as if there is one?

[tillingborn]

So just on the ''off'' chance that God actually does exist, would you not agree it is more rational to behave as if there is one?

Isn't this a version of Pascal's Wager? How do you think people who believe in god behave differently to those who don't?

[Godfree]

,,!!
I did assume no God for a very long time. But with God and God's word life just feels better, and IS better, versus winging it alone. Science is a cold master. And because,

This life cannot be properly understood without considering the spiritual realm, a realm that improves on and ultimately determines the material realm in which we live day to day.~Moo.

[/quote]

Feels better , you feel better deceiving yourself , than facing reality ,
is better , belonging to a church or religious organization ,
gives one a sense of belonging , that we are part of something ,
people are friendly towards us , makes us feel welcome ,
,
But of course the church will want you to tithe ,
ten % of your income please , sure they will be your friend ,
for 10 % ,
you would have more fun paying the same money to join a nudist club ,
a sports club or any other organization that made you feel welcome ,
the church is in the business of selling hope and faith ,
thats not an exclusive commodity ,
we are all capable of hope and faith ,
we don't need the church to tell us to hope and have faith ,,!!!

[Godfree]

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I agree YOU have no proof of God, so you have made the ASSumption there isnt one.

there is no unbroken line from this world to god , it requires the leap ,
so thats the irrational part , the leap , if you understand language at all ,
you must realize a leap of faith is there to cross the gap , between reality ,
and this god you have invented ,

So i invented God did I. Fuck me i'm the Supreme Being.


So YOU have proof there is god ,,???? what proof , any proof ,
I believe there is zero proof for the existence of god ,
give me an example of what you consider proof ,
because I'm betting the rest of the world does not agree ,
So I give you a blank page called reality ,
YOU want to put god on that page , why , ? prove it exists ,
or it doesn't get to be put on the page called reality ,,!!!

You invented god , or man invented god , somebody put it on the page ,
do you not think it strange each culture invents a different god ,,??
if god was real , why do we not all have the same god image ,
do we have a bad reception ,, need to adjust our aerial ,
why do we not all have the same image of god ,,????

[attofishpi]

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I agree YOU have no proof of God, so you have made the ASSumption there isnt one.

there is no unbroken line from this world to god , it requires the leap ,
so thats the irrational part , the leap , if you understand language at all ,
you must realize a leap of faith is there to cross the gap , between reality ,
and this god you have invented ,

So i invented God did I. Fuck me i'm the Supreme Being.


So YOU have proof there is god ,,???? what proof , any proof ,
I believe there is zero proof for the existence of god ,
give me an example of what you consider proof ,
because I'm betting the rest of the world does not agree ,
So I give you a blank page called reality ,
YOU want to put god on that page , why , ? prove it exists ,
or it doesn't get to be put on the page called reality ,,!!!

You invented god , or man invented god , somebody put it on the page ,
do you not think it strange each culture invents a different god ,,??
if god was real , why do we not all have the same god image ,
do we have a bad reception ,, need to adjust our aerial ,
why do we not all have the same image of god ,,????

There was a reason God was 'put on the page' and that was from man's individual experience with 'it' ...each culture has developed their own interpretation of God through those experiences.

The fact that God has left our reality without the benefit of objective proof leads one that knows it exists with the consideration that there is a greater reason for DOUBT.

[attofishpi]

So just on the ''off'' chance that God actually does exist, would you not agree it is more rational to behave as if there is one?

Isn't this a version of Pascal's Wager? How do you think people who believe in god behave differently to those who don't?

Perhaps...
I dont think people that believe in God on the whole behave differently in any evidential way, the only difference between an Atheist that murders and a Theist that murders is that the theist is the greater fool.

[Godfree]

So i invented God did I. Fuck me i'm the Supreme Being.


So YOU have proof there is god ,,???? what proof , any proof ,

why do we not all have the same image of god ,,????[/quote]
There was a reason God was 'put on the page' and that was from man's individual experience with 'it' ...each culture has developed their own interpretation of God through those experiences.

The fact that God has left our reality without the benefit of objective proof leads one that knows it exists with the consideration that there is a greater reason for DOUBT.[/quote]

Objective proof , could you explain , put it so even the likes of Chaz could get it , objective , do you mean ,REAL ,,,ACTUAL ,,,PROOF ,,???
so you are admitting there is no real proof ,,??
someone said there was proof , who was that idiot ,,??
who among us is stupid enough to try and present proof of god ,
even here on this forum you are bound for a thrashing ,
because there is NO PROOF ANY GOD EXISTS ,,,!!!!!

[attofishpi]

Objective proof , could you explain , put it so even the likes of Chaz could get it , objective , do you mean ,REAL ,,,ACTUAL ,,,PROOF ,,???
so you are admitting there is no real proof ,,??
someone said there was proof , who was that idiot ,,??
who among us is stupid enough to try and present proof of god ,
even here on this forum you are bound for a thrashing ,
because there is NO PROOF ANY GOD EXISTS ,,,!!!!!

Proof beyond reasonable doubt does exist. You suggest i am an idiot and stupid yet you haven't the intelligence to understand the use of the quote function, hence why i have decided to post in red to you.
I would like you to understand that i am a panentheist and as so would appreciate it if you got familiar with the concept for further debate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism

[Godfree]

Objective proof , could you explain , put it so even the likes of Chaz could get it , objective , do you mean ,REAL ,,,ACTUAL ,,,PROOF ,,???
,,!!!!!

Proof beyond reasonable doubt does exist. You suggest i am an idiot and stupid yet you haven't the intelligence to understand the use of the quote function, hence why i have decided to post in red to you.
I would like you to understand that i am a panentheist and as so would appreciate it if you got familiar with the concept for further debate.

I checked out your panentheism , from an Atheists perspective ,
it's which version of the fantasy are we talking about ,
so on that level , it makes little or no difference which type of blaablaatheist,
Proof beyond reasonable doubt ,, so lets see some ,
you have made the claim , it would be a some what hollow claim ,
if you don't then produce some of this ,"beyond reasonable doubt"
See I have a wee problem with where and how to store the consciousness ,
we store who and what we are on living tissue , with electric current ,
to manipulate those memories , those memories are who and what we are ,
where and how does god/spirits/ghosts etc store a consciousness ,
to be all knowing , would be a super computer of massive proportions ,
a huge amount of information to be stored reliably ,
I mean it would'nt be fitting for god to say,
sorry a few of my memories are down ,
see a consciousness is impossible to store on nothing ,
you need a hard drive , full of who and what you are ,
and you need live current/living tissue to store that memory,
because your hard drive is a chip not a disc , it's ram ,
and needs to be kept alive to keep the memory ,,
So Where and how does god store ,, " ALL" ,,

[attofishpi]

I checked out your panentheism , from an Atheists perspective ,
it's which version of the fantasy are we talking about ,
so on that level , it makes little or no difference which type of blaablaatheist,
Proof beyond reasonable doubt ,, so lets see some ,
you have made the claim , it would be a some what hollow claim ,
if you don't then produce some of this ,"beyond reasonable doubt"
See I have a wee problem with where and how to store the consciousness ,
we store who and what we are on living tissue , with electric current ,
to manipulate those memories , those memories are who and what we are ,
where and how does god/spirits/ghosts etc store a consciousness ,
to be all knowing , would be a super computer of massive proportions ,
a huge amount of information to be stored reliably ,
I mean it would'nt be fitting for god to say,
sorry a few of my memories are down ,
see a consciousness is impossible to store on nothing ,
you need a hard drive , full of who and what you are ,
and you need live current/living tissue to store that memory,
because your hard drive is a chip not a disc , it's ram ,
and needs to be kept alive to keep the memory ,,
So Where and how does god store ,, " ALL" ,,

So you obviously dont comprehend panentheism...that ALL is God. Every conceivable dimension, is God...your mind evolved from the matter that it is. Your mind is a sub entity of God. From personal experience, 'it' knows every thought you have and are about to make.
Science has come along way to prove the plausibility of such an entity.

[Godfree]

So Where and how does god store ,, " ALL" ,,[/quote]
So you obviously dont comprehend panentheism...that ALL is God. Every conceivable dimension, is God...your mind evolved from the matter that it is. Your mind is a sub entity of God. From personal experience, 'it' knows every thought you have and are about to make.
Science has come along way to prove the plausibility of such an entity.[/quote]

To describe god as "all" ,does not suggest it has a brain, thought ,a consciousness , power or influence on anything .
what your describing is the physical world , stars and planets ,
and this is somehow controlled by the nothing again ,,???
if god is everything , everything doesn't have a consciousness ,
rocks and stones don't planets and stars don't ,
so your really still faced with the same question ,
and somehow imagine your explanation sidesteps it ,
this all , "it knows every thought you have and are about to make"
science will NEVER PROVE THE PLAUSABILITY OF SUCH NONSENSE ,
so try and answer the question where and how does god store who and what it is , saying god is everything , well everything is not a consciousness ,
the universe is not a brain with a consciousness ,
basically I see you as doing the same as the monkey that thought ,
thunder was a god , fire was a god , the natural forces were god ,
in which way has your thinking evolved ,,?????
or are you still that monkey , still entrenched in ignorance ,,???

[chaz wyman]

There was a reason God was 'put on the page' and that was from man's individual experience with 'it' ...each culture has developed their own interpretation of God through those experiences.

Not only have you invented god, but you claim to know his mind!!
But - that's easy. If you have invented him then you can so easily invent his thoughts.
The claim that you know his mind is ample evidence that you in fact invented him

The fact that God has left our reality without the benefit of objective proof leads one that knows it exists with the consideration that there is a greater reason for DOUBT.[/color]

No, the fact that god has left us with no objective proof, is proof that you have invented him subjectively.
It's all quite easy to see what is going on here.

[chaz wyman]

So you obviously dont comprehend panentheism...that ALL is God. Every conceivable dimension, is God...your mind evolved from the matter that it is. Your mind is a sub entity of God. From personal experience, 'it' knows every thought you have and are about to make.
Science has come along way to prove the plausibility of such an entity.

Okay so is there any difference between; everything is god, and god is everything.
And if everything is god then why call him god?