Connecticut School Massacre - pass the ammunition

[bus2bondi]

some of those with more government control over arms, such as Canada and Australia, from what i've heard anyway, do not experience what is found in America.

i don't know if there are alot of massacres in those countries but i haven't heard of any or at least many, but there are alot here.

[bobevenson]

some of those with more government control over arms, such as Canada and Australia, from what i've heard anyway, do not experience what is found in America.

i don't know if there are alot of massacres in those countries but i haven't heard of any or at least many, but there are alot here.

You have better odds against oppressive people than oppressive governments.

[chaz wyman]

i find myself befuddled in this argument. freedom against oppresive harmful governments. well of course! we've learned enough throughout history that this does happen. so it's understandable that humans want to vie and protect themselves against that. and growing up in america i learned and was taught that this was one of the main things that our country is about. however, on the other hand statistically, and sometimes otherwise, we are often found and viewed to be one of the most crime ridden and violent nations on earth.

Adherence to the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with the power to overthrow the government, never has, never will.
It's more to do with the American slave mentality and the obsession with tradition.
Tradition means that Americans don't have to think. And they would rather die than think. Or allow babies to die rather than think.
The USA has the highest crime rate and the highest criminal population on earth; more weapons than any other nation on earth and the highest death by fire-arms.

[chaz wyman]

some of those with more government control over arms, such as Canada and Australia, from what i've heard anyway, do not experience what is found in America.

i don't know if there are alot of massacres in those countries but i haven't heard of any or at least many, but there are alot here.

Fact: Since Columbine there have been over 30 school shooting of this type. The rest of the world put together have had 14. The US population is only 5% of the world. Do the Maths - something is wrong.

The boy that did the killing got hold of 3 weapons, from his mother. She was the first to die.
What kind of a place is the US.
Was this female head teacher really on stand by to rid the US of a tyrannical government?

[bobevenson]

Adherence to the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with the power to overthrow the government, never has, never will.

Your ignorance has no bounds!

[chaz wyman]

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8 in Britain, and the UK have never had trouble getting rid of an oppressive government - in fact they invented the idea.

[bobevenson]

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8 in Britain, and the UK have never had trouble getting rid of an oppressive government - in fact they invented the idea.

Why don't you pick on El Salvador? (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... death_rate) If you calculated the number of homocides per 100,000 firearms, the U.S. is the safest country on Earth. You could write a book on how to lie with statistics!

[bus2bondi]

good point bob, however, where do they get their firearms from?

[Felasco]

Tanks, and patriot missiles, mortars, bombs, poison gas, land-mines, and nuclear weapons don't kill people either!! That does not stop us trying to limit their proliferation. We ought to do the same for fire-arms

If somebody on the forum was issuing repeated death threats....

Would the mods remove each death threat post one by one?

Or would they remove the problem poster?

The source of the violence problem is men.

Tanks, patriot missiles, mortars, bombs, poison gas, land-mines, and nuclear weapons are just the beginning of the killing machines men will invent. Science will give us ever more powerful weapons, and make them ever more available. Trying to manage these weapons one by one is a loser's game.

Men. Get rid of men, the source of the problem, and we don't have to worry about any of it.

Women are taking over the world. Sooner or later they'll come to a choice between men, and their children. Guess who's gonna win that vote?

Lesbian Planet is coming. You read it here first.

[bus2bondi]

now let's talk about something else now shall we? the news certainly will be. and as far as i've remembered every president who's ever expressed their sadness and conviction over these recurring tragedies disappeared as fast as the next t.v. commercial.

by the time the next one occurs (and hopefully doesn't multiplify) and were sitting by our screens listening to the next president expressing regret and sadness over such a horrific event we might even be 1 million more years on the horizon.

[bus2bondi]

i have nothing against our current president, actually, i've always stood up for him against the naysayers. (he's a this, he's a that). i'm not a democrat. i'm not a republican. and i'm not even an independent. because i cannot fully belittle myself as a human and fit myself fully into any single one of those categories. however, i always liked Obama. you can just tell the man has heart. and intelligence. sometimes it seems to me, you'd have to even force the guy to be viscious. but i don't know how much he can do to help this recurring problem of massacre in America. what can he do? what will he do? what could he do? as the leader of the most powerful nation in the world, you'd think he could do something? but alas, i think, once again, its still up to us.

[chaz wyman]

Tanks, and patriot missiles, mortars, bombs, poison gas, land-mines, and nuclear weapons don't kill people either!! That does not stop us trying to limit their proliferation. We ought to do the same for fire-arms

If somebody on the forum was issuing repeated death threats....

Would the mods remove each death threat post one by one?

Or would they remove the problem poster?

The source of the violence problem is men.

Tanks, patriot missiles, mortars, bombs, poison gas, land-mines, and nuclear weapons are just the beginning of the killing machines men will invent. Science will give us ever more powerful weapons, and make them ever more available. Trying to manage these weapons one by one is a loser's game.

Men. Get rid of men, the source of the problem, and we don't have to worry about any of it.

Women are taking over the world. Sooner or later they'll come to a choice between men, and their children. Guess who's gonna win that vote?

Lesbian Planet is coming. You read it here first.

You analogy is hopeless.
Trying to find all the potential nutters that might shoot someone is being tried, and it is failing.
The US has the world's largest prison population - it's not working.

And poison gas, land-mines, missiles and nukes are very difficult to get hold of. How many domestic deaths are caused by these things? Wait a minute..tap...tap..tap. on my trusty calculator? That will be Zero!

Shit it seems like restricting the sale of weapons works!!! Wow maybe gun control works? France, UK, Spain - you know ordinary civilised countries very few deaths by handgun. Why is that?
WHo'd have thought it?

So if the problem is men - then why do more people die of guns in the US than in Zimbabwe? Why is the US so fucking violent? Is it because it is less or more civilised that Zimbabwe?

I won't comment on your stupid sexist rant except to say that the owner of the 3 guns that killed those children was the mother of the shooter.
So much for feminism?

[reasonvemotion]

Former deputy prime minister Tim Fischer said a person was 15 times more likely to be shot dead in the US than in Australia.


These are desperate acts in desperate times, symptoms of a country in dire straits, that should not be ignored.



It is terrible to witness a once proud, strong nation sliding into an abyss.


The Roman Empire collapsing from within.

[chaz wyman]

8 in Britain, and the UK have never had trouble getting rid of an oppressive government - in fact they invented the idea.

Why don't you pick on El Salvador? (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... death_rate) If you calculated the number of homocides per 100,000 firearms, the U.S. is the safest country on Earth. {You fucking Boob - That's Chili - and all these other countries } You could write a book on how to lie with statistics! {Yeah you wrote the fucking book, but are not fooling anyone].

Because El Salvador is in and out of CIA caused civil war. Not much of a comparison.

Boob is proud to be better than El Salvador, Hooray!!!

Countries safer than the USA

Montenegro
Paraguay
Nicaragua
Switzerland
Argentina
Canada
Zimbabwe
Serbia
Finland
Costa Rica
Uruguay
Croatia
Barbados
France
Austria
New Zealand
Estonia
Slovenia
Belgium
Malta
Peru
Israel
Republic of Macedonia
Luxembourg
Norway
Portugal
Czech Republic
Slovakia
Lithuania
Georgia
Greece
Sweden
Denmark
Latvia
Bulgaria
Italy
Kuwait
Iceland
Germany
Moldova
Australia
Ireland
Kyrgyzstan
India
Hungary
Cyprus
Uzbekistan
Spain
Netherlands
Taiwan
Belarus
Ukraine
United Kingdom
Poland
Singapore
Romania
Hong Kong
Mauritius
Qatar
South Korea
Japan
Azerbaijan
Chile
Countries worse
El Salvador
Jamaica
Honduras
Guatemala
Swaziland
Colombia
Brazil
Panama
Mexico
Philippines
South Africa

[chaz wyman]

good point bob, however, where do they get their firearms from?

Check the facts, before you think a point is a good one.