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[attofishpi]

Many theists also abide by rational thought instead of mythology...get off your high horse Godfree, atheism has no mandate on science.

Rational thought, ,I think your getting irrational ,
if you think that you can perceive god rationally ,
the irrational belief in god ,
is one of the main stumbling blocks in the way ,
of the advance of civilization .
So lets define rational ,,
reasoned ,?? ,,sane ,,?? ,,considered ,,??
basically , thought about ,
Irrational ,
impulsive ,,thoughtless ,,unfounded ,,
Religion is irrational , through and through ,
a leap of faith is required ,
to leap over the mountain of rational thought ,
that would otherwise , prevent you ,
from doing such a thing . or accepting such nonsense,
I havn't ridden my horse in awhile ,
cheers for putting me back in the saddle ,,

The only safe argument that atheism has is in relation to God is in the dogma of RELIGION.
If you could peel yourself away from viewing God through the eyes of the fundamentalist bollocks, you could be on a path to actually percieving how an entity, lets call it God, could actually exist.
As I have stated before, God is probable.

[Godfree]

[
So lets define rational ,,
reasoned ,?? ,,sane ,,?? ,,considered ,,??
basically , thought about ,
Irrational ,
impulsive ,,thoughtless ,,unfounded ,,
Religion is irrational , through and through ,
a leap of faith is required ,
to leap over the mountain of rational thought ,
that would otherwise , prevent you ,
from doing such a thing . or accepting such nonsense,
I havn't ridden my horse in awhile ,
cheers for putting me back in the saddle ,,[/quote]
The only safe argument that atheism has is in relation to God is in the dogma of RELIGION.
If you could peel yourself away from viewing God through the eyes of the fundamentalist bollocks, you could be on a path to actually percieving how an entity, lets call it God, could actually exist.
As I have stated before, God is probable.[/quote]

Probable ,,??, if I was to be kind ,
I could say an extremely remote possibility ,
but certainly not probable , probable would need ,
some actual proof ,,something real to base ,
the concept on ,
currently we have zero proof , nothing to base ,
our opinion on what a god may be like , want ,
we have no idea what such a being would command .
and yet there are dozens of religions claiming ,
they alone are to true voice of god ,,!!
Ok Ato ,,,try this one ,
when looking at the idea of Lochness Monster ,
we can quickly dismiss the idea ,
because one beast would not be enough ,
there would have to be a whole family ,
so why would we not apply the same logic to a god ,
where's it's mother and father , how long does it live ,
etc , surely one entity makes no sense ,
regardless of what magical powers you imagine ,
that this god may have ,
you still have to address the question of ,
where did god come from ,,???

[xenuwonder]

Many theists also abide by rational thought instead of mythology...get off your high horse Godfree, atheism has no mandate on science.

Rational thought, ,I think your getting irrational ,
if you think that you can perceive god rationally ,
the irrational belief in god ,
is one of the main stumbling blocks in the way ,
of the advance of civilization .
So lets define rational ,,
reasoned ,?? ,,sane ,,?? ,,considered ,,??
basically , thought about ,
Irrational ,
impulsive ,,thoughtless ,,unfounded ,,
Religion is irrational , through and through ,
a leap of faith is required ,
to leap over the mountain of rational thought ,
that would otherwise , prevent you ,
from doing such a thing . or accepting such nonsense,
I havn't ridden my horse in awhile ,
cheers for putting me back in the saddle ,,

The only safe argument that atheism has is in relation to God is in the dogma of RELIGION.
If you could peel yourself away from viewing God through the eyes of the fundamentalist bollocks, you could be on a path to actually percieving how an entity, lets call it God, could actually exist.
As I have stated before, God is probable.

God is probable? Really?

What a load of monkey spunk!

I am never suprised by the number of imbiciles, one after the other that line up here spouting their religous bullshit trying to tell us informed and enlightened ones that there is a "God".

I feel sorry for you "Attofishpi". You are 50% correct in stating that Atheists don't have a mandate on science. The rest of that statement should have been "but theists are not mentally capable to talk science when the religous fundamental beliefs they hold are at odds with all the science we have learnt in our time as humans on this planet."

Belief in God should be a diagnosed medical condition, and treated as such.

There' will be a pill available soon for all you God believers and it can't come soon enough.

Xenuwonder out.

[chaz wyman]

, God is probable.

What do you mean by god?

[Godfree]

Belief in God should be a diagnosed medical condition, and treated as such.

There' will be a pill available soon for all you God believers and it can't come soon enough.

Xenuwonder out.[/quote]

Now some would suggest thats about one step ,
short of building gas chambers .
While I agree with the idea that the belief in ,
non existent superbeings ,
is a little irrational to say the least ,
compulsory medication is one of those ,
human rights issues , and if it's not compulsory ,
I can't see the believers lining up for their pill ,
Maybe adding a lesson on reality to the school ,
system , one that described the real cosmos ,
gods a fantasy , and religions nonsense ..!!

[attofishpi]

The only safe argument that atheism has is in relation to God is in the dogma of RELIGION.
If you could peel yourself away from viewing God through the eyes of the fundamentalist bollocks, you could be on a path to actually percieving how an entity, lets call it God, could actually exist.
As I have stated before, God is probable.

God is probable? Really?

What a load of monkey spunk!

I am never suprised by the number of imbiciles, one after the other that line up here spouting their religous bullshit trying to tell us informed and enlightened ones that there is a "God".

I feel sorry for you "Attofishpi". You are 50% correct in stating that Atheists don't have a mandate on science.

The rest of that statement should have been "but theists are not mentally capable to talk science when the religous fundamental beliefs they hold are at odds with all the science we have learnt in our time as humans on this planet."

...and yet you havent the intelligence to see what i just stated in relation to RELIGION and FUNDAMENTALISM.

[attofishpi]

, God is probable.

What do you mean by god?

GOD an entity that is:-
1. All knowing (apart from the future).
2. Having the ability to judge and reincarnate 'souls'.

Anyone wish to discuss it further with me, then dont hesitate to do so in the appropriate area - Metaphysics.

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[chaz wyman]

, God is probable.

What do you mean by god?

GOD an entity that is:-
1. All knowing (apart from the future).
2. Having the ability to judge and reincarnate 'souls'.

Anyone wish to discuss it further with me, then dont hesitate to do so in the appropriate area - Metaphysics.

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How bizarre!
How can an omniscient being not know what is going to happen next? If he does not know that then he does not know shit.
What is a soul? Is not the idea that it is re-incarnated a contradiction?

[attofishpi]

How bizarre!
How can an omniscient being not know what is going to happen next? If he does not know that then he does not know shit.

...er, this 'God' knows everything apart from the future...and you call that shit!!???

What is a soul? Is not the idea that it is re-incarnated a contradiction?

No.

See you in the appropriate thread chaz...

[chaz wyman]

How bizarre!
How can an omniscient being not know what is going to happen next? If he does not know that then he does not know shit.

...er, this 'God' knows everything apart from the future...and you call that shit!!???

What is a soul? Is not the idea that it is re-incarnated a contradiction?

No.

See you in the appropriate thread chaz...

Yes. That is no kind of omniscience at all. What's the use of knowing everything is you don't how how to use that information?
Why have you placed such an artificial restriction on god.
But think about it. If I do not know the future, I can't do anything. Even for me to act in the most basic way involves me in knowing something about the future, such as the next word I type. If I'm supposed to know everything now, then I cannot help but know the future. Your restriction is absurd. Why have you made it?

[Godfree]

, God is probable.

What do you mean by god?

GOD an entity that is:-
1. All knowing (apart from the future).
2. Having the ability to judge and reincarnate 'souls'.

Anyone wish to discuss it further with me, then dont hesitate to do so in the appropriate area - Metaphysics.

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1. All knowing ,,,
is that , all knowing but just didn't tell us ,,???
it knew about the Dinosaurs , but didn't tell us ,,??
knew that we evolved from monkey ,
but instead feeds us a pack of lies ,,????
here's how it is mate ,
YOUR fictitious being knows everything ,
you think it should know , it knows all you,
consider knowledge ,
but as for the rest of us ,it's not knowledge at all ,
if we are to take the bible koran etc as it's books ,
it's a pile of he said she said here-say
that know very little of the real world
and also Atto ,
all knowing ,
so this son of a bitch knows when a little girl is being abused , but choses to do nothing , but watch ,
is your god a pediphile ,???
all knowing , so it knows of the injustice and suffering,
in Syria at the moment , but choses to sit and watch ,
I will tell you now Atto ,
I don't like your Mr all knowing very much ,
sounds like a right piece of crap to me ,,!!!

[attofishpi]

Yes. That is no kind of omniscience at all. What's the use of knowing everything is you don't how how to use that information?
Why have you placed such an artificial restriction on god.
But think about it. If I do not know the future, I can't do anything. Even for me to act in the most basic way involves me in knowing something about the future, such as the next word I type. If I'm supposed to know everything now, then I cannot help but know the future. Your restriction is absurd. Why have you made it?

When i stated 'all knowing except the future' i didnt mean the near future, and of course this is just my BELIEF.

[attofishpi]

1. All knowing ,,,
is that , all knowing but just didn't tell us ,,???
it knew about the Dinosaurs , but didn't tell us ,,??
knew that we evolved from monkey ,
but instead feeds us a pack of lies ,,????
here's how it is mate ,
YOUR fictitious being knows everything ,
you think it should know , it knows all you,
consider knowledge ,
but as for the rest of us ,it's not knowledge at all ,
if we are to take the bible koran etc as it's books ,
it's a pile of he said she said here-say
that know very little of the real world
and also Atto ,
all knowing ,
so this son of a bitch knows when a little girl is being abused , but choses to do nothing , but watch ,
is your god a pediphile ,???
all knowing , so it knows of the injustice and suffering,
in Syria at the moment , but choses to sit and watch ,
I will tell you now Atto ,
I don't like your Mr all knowing very much ,
sounds like a right piece of crap to me ,,!!!

What's your point? Are we all supposed to be in some sort of heaven? For many times over the past fifteen years i have hated God more than you can imagine.

[Godfree]

[sounds like a right piece of crap to me ,,!!![/quote]What's your point? Are we all supposed to be in some sort of heaven? For many times over the past fifteen years i have hated God more than you can imagine.[/quote]

While society blames god for our misery,
we will never address the real cause of the problems ,
the ancients thought , if the crops failed ,
we need to sacrifice a few more virgins , or first born sons etc ,
most of the religious wars are people defending what they imagine ,
is gods honour , that his laws have been broken , and you must defend him ,
if god is all powerful let him sort his own battles ,
why do men do gods work if god is all powerful let him sort it ,
What you hate is the stupidity the ignorance and cruelness of life ,
and if a god is in control and sees all , it's his fault ,
if there is no god and man is to blame for his own stupidity ,
then getting less stupid surely should be the aim ,
religion is not knowledge , it is mythology,superstition, ignorance ,
so religion or the irrational belief in god ,
is not getting less stupid ,,!!!

[attofishpi]

While society blames god for our misery,
we will never address the real cause of the problems ,
the ancients thought , if the crops failed ,
we need to sacrifice a few more virgins , or first born sons etc ,
most of the religious wars are people defending what they imagine ,
is gods honour , that his laws have been broken , and you must defend him ,
if god is all powerful let him sort his own battles ,
why do men do gods work if god is all powerful let him sort it ,
What you hate is the stupidity the ignorance and cruelness of life ,
and if a god is in control and sees all , it's his fault ,
if there is no god and man is to blame for his own stupidity ,
then getting less stupid surely should be the aim ,
religion is not knowledge , it is mythology,superstition, ignorance ,
so religion or the irrational belief in god ,
is not getting less stupid ,,!!!

I dont think society blames God for 'our' misery, I think it is very clear that man's stupidity is largely to blame.
Also I dont hate this stupidity or the cruelness of life...I think life is fantastic actually.
The hate i had was soley at God for certain 'tests' that i was put through, escpecially around 2003, but talking of God's evil with an atheist is rather redundant.
Belief in God is not irrational, believing it's a purely loving entity is. Agnosticsm is a far more rational stance than atheism.