God + Allah = ?

Is there a God? If so, what is She like?

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ShaSha1 wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:SO what is Drishtantoism?
The essence of Drishtantoism is observed in the derivative meaning of the word, Drishtantobad. The philosophy advocates for the displayed and observed existence, or for the nature which is visible or observable. According to the philosophy, the thing which is materially changeable, transformable and presentable is useful or important. That is, importance of a thing depends on its changeableness or transformability. According to the philosophy the test of truth and falsehood or right and wrong is applicable only for the thing which is materially presentable. It accepts such type of thing as true. For this, the imagination or imaginary thing which is not realizable is staying at a distance from the question of truth and falsehood.
So how does it differ from scientific existentialism?
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chaz wyman wrote: So how does it differ from scientific existentialism?
Drishtantoism is different from existentialism by its principle:

1. Neither theist nor atheist, but religious;
2. Be good only for saving yourself and the world.

Drishtantoism says for human unity. This unity depends on self-consciousness. Real and logical basement of DRISHTANTO (Example) can impulse man to have unity. Drishtantoists trust that DRISHTANTO gives man the sense of self-consciousness. If men become self-conscious, the sense of otherness will run away from their heart. ‘We’ will be placed on ‘I’. Through self-consciousness, to have human unity is to have real meaning of human life.
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ShaSha1 wrote:
chaz wyman wrote: So how does it differ from scientific existentialism?
Drishtantoism is different from existentialism by its principle:

1. Neither theist nor atheist, but religious;
2. Be good only for saving yourself and the world.

Drishtantoism says for human unity. This unity depends on self-consciousness. Real and logical basement of DRISHTANTO (Example) can impulse man to have unity. Drishtantoists trust that DRISHTANTO gives man the sense of self-consciousness. If men become self-conscious, the sense of otherness will run away from their heart. ‘We’ will be placed on ‘I’. Through self-consciousness, to have human unity is to have real meaning of human life.
You are not making any sense.
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chaz wyman wrote:You are not making any sense.
I am failed to wake you up!
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ShaSha1 wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:You are not making any sense.
I am failed to wake you up!
I think you have failed to wake yourself up. You seems to be sleepwalking and talking nonsense.
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chaz wyman wrote: I think you have failed to wake yourself up. You seems to be sleepwalking and talking nonsense.
I am trying to wake myself up in drishtantoist way. I hope in this way I will be able to wake myself up.
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ShaSha1 wrote:
chaz wyman wrote: I think you have failed to wake yourself up. You seems to be sleepwalking and talking nonsense.
I am trying to wake myself up in drishtantoist way. I hope in this way I will be able to wake myself up.
I always use a clock radio set to Classical Music
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chaz wyman wrote:
ShaSha1 wrote:
chaz wyman wrote: I think you have failed to wake yourself up. You seems to be sleepwalking and talking nonsense.
I am trying to wake myself up in drishtantoist way. I hope in this way I will be able to wake myself up.
I always use a clock radio set to Classical Music

My wife uses her cell phone as an alarm with the "Starlight Sequence" as the music. On of her call signals is "Clair De Lune" but the problem is that sometimes you just want to listen to the music and miss the call, or if it is your clock radio, you might just lie there and listen, unless you don't like classical music.
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thedoc wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:
ShaSha1 wrote: I am trying to wake myself up in drishtantoist way. I hope in this way I will be able to wake myself up.
I always use a clock radio set to Classical Music

My wife uses her cell phone as an alarm with the "Starlight Sequence" as the music. On of her call signals is "Clair De Lune" but the problem is that sometimes you just want to listen to the music and miss the call, or if it is your clock radio, you might just lie there and listen, unless you don't like classical music.
No, I listen. I usually listen through the whole hour, when it switches off, before I get up!
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chaz wyman wrote: No, I listen. I usually listen through the whole hour, when it switches off, before I get up!
Is there anything you especially like, I'm partial to Debussy but that is not the only music I like.
In college I played in the orchestra, the Coronet, in the Trumpet section, one of the pieces we did was Bolareo. This is just one long crescendo, so we didn't come in till the end, we just sat there counting measures till we learned the music and knew when to come in.
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thedoc wrote:
chaz wyman wrote: No, I listen. I usually listen through the whole hour, when it switches off, before I get up!
Is there anything you especially like, I'm partial to Debussy but that is not the only music I like.
In college I played in the orchestra, the Coronet, in the Trumpet section, one of the pieces we did was Bolareo. This is just one long crescendo, so we didn't come in till the end, we just sat there counting measures till we learned the music and knew when to come in.
Beethoven's symphonies are peerless. He defined the art of the symphony, he has many imitators and those that have sought to develop the genre but nothing has surpassed them.
I also love Peer Gynt suite, The Planets. I also have a penchant for Operatic Arias. Generally a whole Opera is too much to listen to, and needs to be seen - but the best arias are a joy forever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz0jxBR5M5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qx2lMaMsl8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orbh8MHEhgA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9bg8pEWLqg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdoZBiOGDyU

(If you listen to no one else on this list- listen to Leontyne Price - the timbre and range of her voice goes beyond any other singer

I would also include some of the compositions of Yes in the 1970s as having a symphonic quality. I'm thinking now of Tales of Topographic Oceans, Close to the End and TheYes Album. Yes brought together Jazz and Rock in monumental productions that are no longer found in popular music. A little ELP also qualify in this category.

More widely - I love all music except Country & Western, and hymns.
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First, I understand that this is way off topic, but I don't really care, some of the best dialogue happens off topic.

It only took me a few seconds to recognize those arias, and one of my problems is that I then see some other piece that I want to listen to, I could spend a lot of time there. the other thing is that I don't know many pieces by name and that is frustrating when I want to look it up and listen. It took me years to find the name, Listz's 'Le Prelude', and then find a CD. There is another Piano piece that I played, but can't find, and no-one seems to know the title.

I hope you are not a purist but I really like this rendition of 'O Mio Babbino Caro'. It's funny, but then the opera 'Gianni Suhicci' was very funny, but you had to really watch the subtitles or know the language, it was a situation comedy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiZcuzgJKT4&translated=1

FYI the GrooveBarbers were Rockapella.

I also think this is a good version of 'Un Bel Di Vedremo', you need to know the story of the opera and where it was placed,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H1IzXoc2iI

I once watched 'Madam Butterfly' with the libretto in front of me. Once was enough, with tragic operas I'll just listen.

Getting away from opera, this is one of my favorite pieces,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfG0KIsQZyE

I had this on LP but lost it in the old house, I should look for the CD or DVD, I used to play it a lot.
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thedoc wrote:First, I understand that this is way off topic, but I don't really care, some of the best dialogue happens off topic.

It only took me a few seconds to recognize those arias, and one of my problems is that I then see some other piece that I want to listen to, I could spend a lot of time there. the other thing is that I don't know many pieces by name and that is frustrating when I want to look it up and listen. It took me years to find the name, Listz's 'Le Prelude', and then find a CD. There is another Piano piece that I played, but can't find, and no-one seems to know the title.

I hope you are not a purist but I really like this rendition of 'O Mio Babbino Caro'. It's funny, but then the opera 'Gianni Suhicci' was very funny, but you had to really watch the subtitles or know the language, it was a situation comedy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiZcuzgJKT4&translated=1

FYI the GrooveBarbers were Rockapella.

I also think this is a good version of 'Un Bel Di Vedremo', you need to know the story of the opera and where it was placed,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H1IzXoc2iI

I once watched 'Madam Butterfly' with the libretto in front of me. Once was enough, with tragic operas I'll just listen.

Getting away from opera, this is one of my favorite pieces,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfG0KIsQZyE

I had this on LP but lost it in the old house, I should look for the CD or DVD, I used to play it a lot.
O Mio Bambino Caro was funny but I think I'd always want to hear it without the Barbershop quartet in the background.
Sarah Brightman - well what can I say? From prim and proper school girl to HOT GOSSIP dancer to a sexed-up mature lady. All this detracts from her great voice. What excellence is lost in the pursuit of fame and money.
But thanks very much for the Tchaikovsky, that's one of those tunes that I know and love, without knowing the Opus Number - now I can get a copy to listen to when I want. Cheers!

On the subject of great voices, I have to recommend Luciana Souza. There is something really irritating that has become common place since Brittany Spears - and that is a sort of low groan, and a lack of clear diction, that every vocalist seem to thin she has to imitate. Do you know the sort of thing I mean?
eg Joss Stone - who has a lovely voice feels the need to adorn it with these sounds.

I love Luciana Souza due to her unadorned purity and clarity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5Y_9m1p5Hw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-ItsAUBL0U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hafzGG5b ... s3KEPzEGf1

But then I'm a sucker for Bossa Nova, what can I say?
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Given the nature of the Opera 'Gianni Suhicci', 'O Mi Babbino Caro' is probably more appropriate with the Barbershop Quartet. If you've never seen it, it is worth a look, but with good subtitles or the libretto.

I agree Luciana Souza is a good vocalist but there are so many it's hard to keep up and listen to even just a few. When My younger daughter was in HS she took voice lessons and She and the teacher would be in one room and I was in the next room and could hear everything, not on purpose, I just didn't have anything else to do but wait. I really learned a lot about singing just from listining to the lessons. It really gave me a better appreciation of a vocalist.

One thing I've noticed is that there are a lot of really young singers being recognized, and the first one I picked up on was Connie Talbot on BGT, and while there may have been others before her, it seems that her success has opened the door for other very young singers to be succesful.
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thedoc wrote:Given the nature of the Opera 'Gianni Suhicci', 'O Mi Babbino Caro' is probably more appropriate with the Barbershop Quartet. If you've never seen it, it is worth a look, but with good subtitles or the libretto.

I agree Luciana Souza is a good vocalist but there are so many it's hard to keep up and listen to even just a few. When My younger daughter was in HS she took voice lessons and She and the teacher would be in one room and I was in the next room and could hear everything, not on purpose, I just didn't have anything else to do but wait. I really learned a lot about singing just from listining to the lessons. It really gave me a better appreciation of a vocalist.

One thing I've noticed is that there are a lot of really young singers being recognized, and the first one I picked up on was Connie Talbot on BGT, and while there may have been others before her, it seems that her success has opened the door for other very young singers to be succesful.
I've seen a summarised libretto and I get what you mean.
I had a look at connie talbot. I don't think it is wise or fair to introduce someone so young to so much fame; there are so many horror stories; Lena Zavaroni, Brittany Spears, Michael Jackson.
I can gear she has a good voice but just don't find her appealing to listen to.
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