How come he doesn't exist ?!

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chaz wyman wrote:
Khalid wrote:Well , I'm not going to make a research on pork here , ...nd who got a dangerous lung disease because of weed .
On that subject - I don't see any Arabs taking advice against smoking Sheesha from Mohammed. Tobacco is far more harmful than alcohol.
There are verses that say anything harmful to man's body and health is forbidden and not halal .
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chaz wyman wrote:You are trying to tell me that 2000 generations of Papua New Guineans have lived and died with their love of pigs and pork, and all of them have died and are now burning in hell for eternity?
Thankfully few of them have yet heard of Islam - lets hope it stays that way.
It depends on if they heard of Islam or not . Someone who never heard of Islam will receive a different judgement , someone who heard of Islam and refused it is going to hell , someone who heard of Christianity and refused it (in the time before Islam) is going to hell , someone who heard of Judaism (in the time before Christianity and Islam) and refused it is going to hell . And in the end God knows best .
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Khalid wrote:You don't even know how to respect others who are different from you . Praise be to Allah for the gift of Islam that makes me respect others or atleast not to insult them or their beliefs . You are full of hatred .
You atheist will burn in eternal hell I swear of God . judgement day is our date , wait and see . Islam is the second religion with 1.8 billion followers and most growing religion on earth , everyday hundreds of new people become muslims and follow the light of God. ...
So your 'respect' is to tell others that their beliefs are false and yours is the only true one and if they don't believe this they will burn forever? :lol: That just about sums up the message of the theist believer.
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Khalid wrote:... And in the end God knows best .
Does it? How do you know this? Other than just being told this before you could reason.
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chaz wyman wrote:You are trying to tell me that 2000 generations of Papua New Guineans have lived and died with their love of pigs and pork, and all of them have died and are now burning in hell for eternity?
Thankfully few of them have yet heard of Islam - lets hope it stays that way.
It depends on if they heard of Islam or not . Someone who never heard of Islam will receive a different judgement , someone who heard of Islam and refused it is going to hell , someone who heard of Christianity and refused it (in the time before Islam) is going to hell , someone who heard of Judaism (in the time before Christianity and Islam) and refused it is going to hell . And in the end God knows best .

So are you saying that your Islamic Mythology is more relavent than the Judeo/Christian Mythology?
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Khalid wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:You are trying to tell me that 2000 generations of Papua New Guineans have lived and died with their love of pigs and pork, and all of them have died and are now burning in hell for eternity?
Thankfully few of them have yet heard of Islam - lets hope it stays that way.
It depends on if they heard of Islam or not . Someone who never heard of Islam will receive a different judgement , someone who heard of Islam and refused it is going to hell , someone who heard of Christianity and refused it (in the time before Islam) is going to hell , someone who heard of Judaism (in the time before Christianity and Islam) and refused it is going to hell . And in the end God knows best .
And where the fuck does it say that in your Koran?

And what about the people who have heard of it but are so made by god as to find it ridiculous?
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Arising_uk wrote:So your 'respect' is to tell others that their beliefs are false and yours is the only true one and if they don't believe this they will burn forever? :lol: That just about sums up the message of the theist believer.
It depends , if I'm talking to a Christian I'd question him , do you believe Jesus is God ? If so shall you show me any verse in the bible (Any version) in which Jesus declaring that he's God and we should worship him ? Any statement in which Jesus says I'm Allah ? How could God be human? Secondly I'll ask him to open the bible , book genesis chapter 19 verse 30 , and I'll ask him to read . He will find verses telling that prophet Lot's daughters made their father drink wine to have sex with them while they were dwelling in the mountains and get babies of their father who didn't refuse . http://www.learnthebible.org/bible/3/GEN/19/30-38

I'll tell him , open book genesis chapter 35 verse 22, read , he will find Reuben who is one of Jacob's sons having sex with his mother on the house's roof .

Open Genesis chapter 21 first verse and keep reading . "1-And the LORD visited Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did unto Sarah as he had spoken. " , continue reading to find Sarah got pregnant . We are still in Genesis book my friend .

My Christian friend how could this be God's words ? , Shame on the rabbis and priests who had re-written the bible to say such shameful lies and change God's words . shame on how they distorted the word of God , shame on how they betrayed God . Today there are four versions or more of the bible , how can you be sure which one is the right one my Christian friend ??

My Christian friend , have you read the Quran before? Do you know that Jesus messenger was mentioned 25 times while Muhammad was mentioned only 5 ? Do you know that there is a whole Surah "chapter" about Mary telling beautiful and great things about her and her great story and suffering ? Do you know that Jesus is a very great person in Islam ? Do you know that muslims love Jesus and his mother so much ?

Then it's up to him to accept what I'm saying or refuse it .
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Khalid wrote:... And in the end God knows best .
Does it? How do you know this? Other than just being told this before you could reason.
If God doesn't knows best , if God isn't the one all wise , all merciful , all knowing , all hearing , then who is ?
Einstein once said , the more knowledge or things I discover , the more ignorant I feel .
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chaz wyman wrote:You are trying to tell me that 2000 generations of Papua New Guineans have lived and died with their love of pigs and pork, and all of them have died and are now burning in hell for eternity?
Thankfully few of them have yet heard of Islam - lets hope it stays that way.
It depends on if they heard of Islam or not . Someone who never heard of Islam will receive a different judgement , someone who heard of Islam and refused it is going to hell , someone who heard of Christianity and refused it (in the time before Islam) is going to hell , someone who heard of Judaism (in the time before Christianity and Islam) and refused it is going to hell . And in the end God knows best .
And where the fuck does it say that in your Koran?
There is a general verse that says " We never punish until We have sent a Messenger " , probably there are others I don't remember but I heard many sheikhs who said that God doesn't punish someone who didn't receive the message of Islam . And it's something logical anyway cause Allah is just . He says " The benefit of this world is little and the Hereafter will be better for him who fears God; and you shall not be wronged a whit.’ " . So no body will be oppressed or wronged in that day and everything , every action , or deed you have done or said in your life is recorded and you won't be oppressed an atom's weight of oppression .
And what about the people who have heard of it but are so made by god as to find it ridiculous?
Like you ? hmm I can't say something I'm not sure of but I wish they are burn in eternal fire for their rude arrogance .
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Khalid wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:You are trying to tell me that 2000 generations of Papua New Guineans have lived and died with their love of pigs and pork, and all of them have died and are now burning in hell for eternity?
Thankfully few of them have yet heard of Islam - lets hope it stays that way.
It depends on if they heard of Islam or not . Someone who never heard of Islam will receive a different judgement , someone who heard of Islam and refused it is going to hell , someone who heard of Christianity and refused it (in the time before Islam) is going to hell , someone who heard of Judaism (in the time before Christianity and Islam) and refused it is going to hell . And in the end God knows best .

So are you saying that your Islamic Mythology is more relavent than the Judeo/Christian Mythology?
What ?
Sorry , I don't understand relevant to what you mean ? But Islam is not mythology , it's the truth and last message confirming to Christianity and Judaism .
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Khalid wrote: Sorry , I don't understand relevant to what you mean ? But Islam is not mythology , it's the truth and last message confirming to Christianity and Judaism .
Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, is Mythology. It is only an act of faith that makes you think otherwise.
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Khalid wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:
Khalid wrote: It depends on if they heard of Islam or not . Someone who never heard of Islam will receive a different judgement , someone who heard of Islam and refused it is going to hell , someone who heard of Christianity and refused it (in the time before Islam) is going to hell , someone who heard of Judaism (in the time before Christianity and Islam) and refused it is going to hell . And in the end God knows best .
And where the fuck does it say that in your Koran?
There is a general verse that says " We never punish until We have sent a Messenger "
WHERE?
And what about the people who have heard of it but are so made by god as to find it ridiculous?
Like you ? hmm I can't say something I'm not sure of but I wish they are burn in eternal fire for their rude arrogance .
BUt you are the messenger and all you ever say is I don't know, or I don't understand. And all you say sounds ridiculous.
So what you are saying is either I believe something that sounds like a bunch of nonsense or I'm going to burn in hell?
In other words your god would rather I believe crap, and act like a moron by believing a thing I think is rubbish, or burn in hell. This is getting even more ridiculous by the minute.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Mohammed must have been quite a comedian!

2: The Cow.
2:6 As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
2:7 Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.
This seems to directly contradict what you say above.


2:88 And they say: Our hearts are hardened. Nay, but Allah hath cursed them for their unbelief. Little is that which they believe.

I'm already cursed it seems.
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Khalid wrote:
thedoc wrote: So are you saying that your Islamic Mythology is more relavent than the Judeo/Christian Mythology?
What ?
Sorry , I don't understand relevant to what you mean ? But Islam is not mythology , it's the truth and last message confirming to Christianity and Judaism .

Apparently you do not understand what Mythology is. The popular misconception it that a Myth is something that is not true. Actually Mythology tells us the truth, you just need to know how to read it. Most people are so caught up in the details that they miss the true message.
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You do understand that the Quoran is the Bible retold for Mohammed, very little that is new or added, including the New Testament.
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chaz wyman wrote:
Khalid wrote: Sorry , I don't understand relevant to what you mean ? But Islam is not mythology , it's the truth and last message confirming to Christianity and Judaism .
Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, is Mythology. It is only an act of faith that makes you think otherwise.
Buddhisn and Hinduism are mythology . Judaism , Christianity and Islam are heaven monotheist religions sent from one source with one common message . All prophets came with one common message , God , good and evil , destiny and the judgment day .
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