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The Dollar and world economy crash

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All countries before 1944 used gold as the exchanging or standard money in all trading and economical operations between each others and which is covering and powering their currencies , which means the more gold you have , the more valuable your currency and national wealth you have but after the world war II , there was a desperate need to a financial and economical stability in the world , and here came the 1944's United Nations Monetary and financial conference in Breton Woods , creating a new Worldly financial system based on connecting the currencies of the ally nations "allies" with the U.S dollar currency and making Dollar the standard exchanging money in stead of the gold but in the same time the Dollar stays connected to , powered or covered by the Gold so that any country could convert it's currency into dollars and convert it's dollars into Gold . During the Sixties The U.S expanded it's spending on the Vietnam war preparations , space discovering journeys and social programs , the thing that made several countries and foreign creditors feel that the U.S government prints amounts of dollars much more than it's coverage of the gold reserves . Creditors started to convert their Dollars into gold and demand their money and benefits to be paid into gold in stead of the federal paper money . That crisis pushed president Richard Nixon to make a decision in 1971 to cut off the connection between the Dollar currency and the gold . He said it would just be a temporary procedure but that was not true , from that date on there was no longer connection between the Dollar and the gold . By cutting that connection Nixon has made all currencies connected to or powered by printed paper called Dollar , which basically means powered by nothing touchable , just nothing .

Since 1971 , the U.S used to suffer trade and fiscal deficit which means the U.S used to buy more than it sells , in other words it used to import more than it export . The U.S was demanded to pay it's bills deserved to creditors , so it started to issue governmental bonds with encouraging interests for investors who wish to invest their money in the U.S to bring money to cover it's bills and financial deficit and here started the fraudulent game or circle , the game which made this clock start working http://www.usdebtclock.org/ . For example the American Ministry of Finance issues a billion dollars value of governmental bonds (a bond is an instrument of indebtedness of the bond issuer to the holders) , and gives them to the federal reserve who offers them in Wall street stock market and transmits the billion dollars to treasury department for the government to pay it's bills , hungry investors start to mechanically buy them . Now the government owes a billion dollars of Debts + their interests and they all are added to counting clock . And here the circle goes again and again and again with increasing interests that make the treasury in need to borrow bigger cash each time .

Ponzi Scheme


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Let's assume that Mr, Red is Ponzi (The project owner) , he offers investment opportunity with 50% profit , two yellow primary investors contracted and each one gave him 100$ to be invested , Ponzi now have 200$ , by the end of the month or dated period , he gave each yellow investors 50$ as profits and put the rest in his pocket , the thing that encouraged green investors to come to capture that incredible opportunity with extraordinary profit . He made the same thing he had done with the primary yellow investors again with the secondary green investors and expected blue investors to come to make another round with that fraudulent and deceitful game or system . That fraudulent system is doomed to failure and collapse cause it's built on cheat maybe when no more investors join the system or when the whole trick is exposed and primary investors start to demand their money .
This is the same system or relationship between treasury department , Federal Reserve Bank and Wall Street that started in 1971 till this moment which is borrow another billion to pay bills and some of the old deserved loans that had been borrowed before that's beside continual increasing interests on all loans which we shouldn't forget , and the U.S is always demanded to borrow bigger number every time to be able to pay the increasing interests . The Loans and all interests hits 16 trillion today as you can see through the U.s debt clock .

If we assume that the U.S buys Cars and Laptops from Japan and south Korea , Oil from Arab countries and China gives it almost 80% of what you can find on super markets' racks there . Those countries are paid with dollars and everyone is happy but if they convert their earnings of dollars into their national currencies , that would make their currencies highly rises in it's value and lead to reduce the macro demand on their products or desire to buy their products and services . In stead they go to invest their billions in that American Ponzi system , and what happened in 2008 was the scenario's end according to economists which had been delayed for some few years with some procedures but it's just a matter of time for that system to collapse and fail . The dollar then will crash as the trust in paper money will be lost and details of the disaster are hard to be expected according to economists , but everything is going to be affected market , other currencies , prices of gas , food , all products and industries will be harmed and there will be crazy rates of inflation , the crash of many countries' currencies , increasing rates of unemployment , losses of jobs , , big political conflicts and widespread demonstrations and poverty rates all over the world .

But there is nothing to worry about , listen to this song and relax .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gf30DJvsGA
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have no fear, comrade obama is hyperinflating the dollar by printing trillions of them...

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Impenitent wrote:have no fear, comrade obama is hyperinflating the dollar by printing trillions of them...

weimar with nukes

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Inflation with low rate is used by governments as hidden taxes , the government likes to make people feel that their salaries are increasing by 2% but on the other hand the inflation rate is usually 2.4% or more , in case the government declares the accurate percentage , and this 0.4 difference between increase in salaries and inflation negatively affects the individual's real income and reduces purchasing power of his money .
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All inflation is bad, and there is no good level of inflation as some economists want you to believe. Inflation is stealing by the government, pure and simple. Under Evensonomics, the total amount of money in circulation cannot exceed the value of the property it represents.
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Khalid wrote:
Impenitent wrote:have no fear, comrade obama is hyperinflating the dollar by printing trillions of them...

weimar with nukes

utopia

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Inflation with low rate is used by governments as hidden taxes , the government likes to make people feel that their salaries are increasing by 2% but on the other hand the inflation rate is usually 2.4% or more , in case the government declares the accurate percentage , and this 0.4 difference between increase in salaries and inflation negatively affects the individual's real income and reduces purchasing power of his money .
the Obama money printing is good for the US economy, there's no doubt in that.

Better ability to compete on price.

More money to invest in the economy whereas it is now short on cash.

Lower dollar price means cheaper loans, since I think they borrowed money mostly in dollars (since the Chinese government I've heard tries to get rid of its large reserves of foreign currency, and they are the prime lenders).

Avoiding new loans.

And so on... you mustn't think that "inflation" is like a constant increase in your grocery prices. Some wares increase in price, some don't, some deflates, and so on. Inflation in small amounts is a macroeconomic concern and not a big concern for ordinary people, unless it's vital things such as oil and gas (which affects the entire cycle of money, as everybody depends on it for transport and for heating and electricity)
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Impenitent wrote:have no fear, comrade obama is hyperinflating the dollar by printing trillions of them...

weimar with nukes

utopia

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Be fair Imp,
he's only doing what successive US govts have done. It was hardly the 'comrades' who ran up the debt, more the running-dogs with their military/industrial/oil combine that your average joe supports as they do like their gas-guzzlers and cheap electrickery.
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The Voice of Time wrote:the Obama money printing is good for the US economy, there's no doubt in that.
That's like saying stealing is good for the economy.
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bobevenson wrote:
The Voice of Time wrote:the Obama money printing is good for the US economy, there's no doubt in that.
That's like saying stealing is good for the economy.
Well technically speaking, not morally, but technically stealing can make the economy better.

For instance, if somebody holds on to a piece of good, which is useful for further creation of goods/value, then stealing that good and increasing the number of people who have access to it will enable growth in the economy.

But Obama isn't stealing anybody's money by printing, the people who have money will have the same amount of money, it's just more of it so other people will be better able to sell it on the international market, which in turn makes buying more expensive. But considering there are various ways to make this happen otherwise, I think "stealing" would have to cover about any action that reduces the value of currency, since that's the only result here...

If I own a property, which happens to be in front of your house, and you have a marvellous view, for which made your property expensive to buy, then I come and build on my property a really tall building so that your property is no longer worth the big extra amount you paid just for the view, and with extra noise from more activity on my property, your property is further less valuable... am I stealing from your property? How do you solve that Bob?
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the more money in print, the less it is worth...

why is gold valuable? you can't print gold...

why was the dollar valuable? it was backed with gold... nixon screwed that up

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The Voice of Time wrote:
bobevenson wrote:
The Voice of Time wrote:the Obama money printing is good for the US economy, there's no doubt in that.
That's like saying stealing is good for the economy.
Well technically speaking, not morally, but technically stealing can make the economy better.

For instance, if somebody holds on to a piece of good, which is useful for further creation of goods/value, then stealing that good and increasing the number of people who have access to it will enable growth in the economy.

But Obama isn't stealing anybody's money by printing, the people who have money will have the same amount of money, it's just more of it so other people will be better able to sell it on the international market, which in turn makes buying more expensive. But considering there are various ways to make this happen otherwise, I think "stealing" would have to cover about any action that reduces the value of currency, since that's the only result here...

If I own a property, which happens to be in front of your house, and you have a marvellous view, for which made your property expensive to buy, then I come and build on my property a really tall building so that your property is no longer worth the big extra amount you paid just for the view, and with extra noise from more activity on my property, your property is further less valuable... am I stealing from your property? How do you solve that Bob?
Inflation is governmental dilution of the value of money, which is stealing. If stealing had a positive influence on the economy, it would be encouraged, and we wouldn't need any laws against it. But we allow the government to do what other people would be thrown in jail for even attempting. Your last point about real estate is not a question about stealing, but about zoning.
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Impenitent wrote:have no fear, comrade obama is hyperinflating the dollar by printing trillions of them...

weimar with nukes

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What printing more dollars does is to down value all the money collected during the Bush regime by foreign countries such as China, who now hold the US to ransom.
Doing so means that the value of their dollars, and the values of saved dollars in the US is likely to be reduced. None of this changes the value os material assets and the real hard wealth of infrastructure and resources; material and human in the US.
It is sort of cheating, but it will help the economy.

Personally I think it is wrong to give it to banks, in the failing hope that they will lend it to business. They would be better off giving it out as mortgage relief, to hep stimulate low end demand which is in serious decline with many busniesses failing do to lack of sales.
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The Voice of Time wrote:
Khalid wrote:
Impenitent wrote:have no fear, comrade obama is hyperinflating the dollar by printing trillions of them...

weimar with nukes

utopia

-Imp
Inflation with low rate is used by governments as hidden taxes , the government likes to make people feel that their salaries are increasing by 2% but on the other hand the inflation rate is usually 2.4% or more , in case the government declares the accurate percentage , and this 0.4 difference between increase in salaries and inflation negatively affects the individual's real income and reduces purchasing power of his money .
the Obama money printing is good for the US economy, there's no doubt in that.

Better ability to compete on price.

More money to invest in the economy whereas it is now short on cash.

Lower dollar price means cheaper loans, since I think they borrowed money mostly in dollars (since the Chinese government I've heard tries to get rid of its large reserves of foreign currency, and they are the prime lenders).

Avoiding new loans.

And so on... you mustn't think that "inflation" is like a constant increase in your grocery prices. Some wares increase in price, some don't, some deflates, and so on. Inflation in small amounts is a macroeconomic concern and not a big concern for ordinary people, unless it's vital things such as oil and gas (which affects the entire cycle of money, as everybody depends on it for transport and for heating and electricity)
At least someone understands basic economics!
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bobevenson wrote:Your last point about real estate is not a question about stealing, but about zoning.
Seems your objection was the reduction of value to something. This case is a reduction of value, yet it is not stealing? Aren't they "stealing" the open space making out the view to fill it with building space? Aren't they "stealing" the domination of sound-space for their own benefit and purpose?
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Impenitent wrote:the more money in print, the less it is worth...

why is gold valuable? you can't print gold...

why was the dollar valuable? it was backed with gold... nixon screwed that up

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Ignorance of basic economics is astounding.

Money is not wealth.
Neither is gold. The amount of Gold held by a country never adequately represented the wealth of nations - that's why it was abandoned by the world's economies.
If we were to have a gold standard South Africa would suddenly be the most powerful nation on earth, and able to increase its clout by digging up a bit more. Ridiculous!
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The Voice of Time wrote: the Obama money printing is good for the US economy, there's no doubt in that.

Better ability to compete on price.

More money to invest in the economy whereas it is now short on cash.

Lower dollar price means cheaper loans, since I think they borrowed money mostly in dollars (since the Chinese government I've heard tries to get rid of its large reserves of foreign currency, and they are the prime lenders).

Avoiding new loans.

And so on...
But what about the retirees ? Do you they receive increases in their retired pay or it stays fixed in front of inflation ?
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