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[Greatest I am]

I'm talking about the sort of countries that really take Christianity seriously, unlike the unchristian west

another bald assertion with no back up or links or sources my why do i sigh every time you exaggerate..the west is proven to be christian read up on the stats

Um Arab and Israelie and Atheist Hindu countries stone and bomb and terrorise innocent civilians every day people they are not christians so what is your point? this thread is about the church of the west lets stick to the points or start your own thread.

To call ones self a Christian, one would think a Christian would need to know something of Christianity. Yet in the west, every survey that I see on who knows what, atheists tend to know more about religion and Christianity than Christians do. The west give lip service and follow from tradition. They have no knowledge and are not devout in any way.

Regards
DL

[spike]

The thing is, here we of the secular, are trying to create a more tolerant and just society while the church continues it's self centered tribalistic ways and is hindering the process without ever justifying it's discrimination .

Nothing is easy. Nor should it be. Anything that is worthy or deserves justice in this world has to struggle to achieve legitimacy and recognition. The Church puts obstacles in the way because that is its job. However, the struggle gives one resolve and commitment to the task. And look what the world has learnt in witnessing and partaking in the struggle; more ways of becoming tolerant and open, bypassing the Church and religion.

[Greatest I am]

The thing is, here we of the secular, are trying to create a more tolerant and just society while the church continues it's self centered tribalistic ways and is hindering the process without ever justifying it's discrimination .

Nothing is easy. Nor should it be. Anything that is worthy or deserves justice in this world has to struggle to achieve legitimacy and recognition. The Church puts obstacles in the way because that is its job. However, the struggle gives one resolve and commitment to the task. And look what the world has learnt in witnessing and partaking in the struggle; more ways of becoming tolerant and open, bypassing the Church and religion.

How stupid and immoral then for the church then as it is cullpable in the murder of Gays by the homophobic that it creates.

Regards
DL

[spike]

How stupid and immoral then for the church then as it is cullpable in the murder of Gays by the homophobic that it creates.

That homophobia is not just in the Church, and fed by the Church. It is also in individuals who think for themselves and are repulsed by the idea.

[Greatest I am]

How stupid and immoral then for the church then as it is cullpable in the murder of Gays by the homophobic that it creates.

That homophobia is not just in the Church, and fed by the Church. It is also in individuals who think for themselves and are repulsed by the idea.

So these should keep their focus on their own junc and let others find love where they will.

To fixate on someone else's sexuality instead of one's own is rather a strange and unhealthy way to go through life.

Have you thought of my junk today sweetheart?
How about your neighbors junk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5YrB7TpT1Y

Regards
DL

[spike]

So these should keep their focus on their own junc and let others find love where they will.

To fixate on someone else's sexuality instead of one's own is rather a strange and unhealthy way to go through life.

Have you thought of my junk today sweetheart?
How about your neighbors junk.

As they say, one person's junk is another's treasure.

Human sexuality and the fixation on it has been one of humanity's driving forces and engines of its development. It is sad, though, that such a disproportionate weight has been put on the backs of homosexuals in this endeavor. But I have no doubt that someday a Hall Of Fame will be erected in their honor, perhaps near of big cathedral or mosque.

[Greatest I am]

So these should keep their focus on their own junc and let others find love where they will.

To fixate on someone else's sexuality instead of one's own is rather a strange and unhealthy way to go through life.

Have you thought of my junk today sweetheart?
How about your neighbors junk.

As they say, one person's junk is another's treasure.

Human sexuality and the fixation on it has been one of humanity's driving forces and engines of its development. It is sad, though, that such a disproportionate weight has been put on the backs of homosexuals in this endeavor. But I have no doubt that someday a Hall Of Fame will be erected in their honor, perhaps near of big cathedral or mosque.

No argument but I would not have said humanity was fixated with sex. I would say Christianity was and is.
They want to control everything from sex to diet to what we wear. They and Islam all want slaves and not free men.

Regards
DL

[spike]

They want to control everything from sex to diet to what we wear. They and Islam all want slaves and not free men.

Perhaps, but the Churches are certainly not winning or having things their way! Just look at history and how things have swung Oscar Wilde's and Hugh Hefner's way.

[Greatest I am]

They want to control everything from sex to diet to what we wear. They and Islam all want slaves and not free men.

Perhaps, but the Churches are certainly not winning or having things their way! Just look at history and how things have swung Oscar Wilde's and Hugh Hefner's way.

I get the impression you feel we should just ignore them. and let their victims fend for themselves.
If so.

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

I hope I am wrong about you. Remember.

For evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing.

If you are recommending we do nothing then get thee behind me Satan.

Regards
DL

[chaz wyman]

I'm talking about the sort of countries that really take Christianity seriously, unlike the unchristian west

another bald assertion with no back up or links or sources my why do i sigh every time you exaggerate..the west is proven to be christian read up on the stats

I willing to see the "stats" of your idiotic assertions - care to play?


Um Arab and Israelie and Atheist Hindu countries stone and bomb and terrorise innocent civilians every day people they are not christians so what is your point?

So that makes it okay for Christians to do it too I suppose??


this thread is about the church of the west lets stick to the points or start your own thread.

No - it is about the "CHURCH" not the church in the West.

[PhilosophicalCaveman]

Wouldn't it be simpler to not force any religious group to marry off people of the same-sex and just let those persons get married freely by other means...That is legally, but lacking the religious ceremonial aspect.

[chaz wyman]

Wouldn't it be simpler to not force any religious group to marry off people of the same-sex and just let those persons get married freely by other means...That is legally, but lacking the religious ceremonial aspect.

That would necessitate the religious people shutting up.

The other problem is that many same sex couples are religious.

[PhilosophicalCaveman]

Wouldn't it be simpler to not force any religious group to marry off people of the same-sex and just let those persons get married freely by other means...That is legally, but lacking the religious ceremonial aspect.

That would necessitate the religious people shutting up.

The other problem is that many same sex couples are religious.

True, but even if they talk, let them, all that matters will be the legal aspect, that it will be open for those who wish to go along with that lifestyle. Also if a same-sex couple is religious or follow a certain religion then they'll have to adhere to it or take the option of leaving. I say this and it might seem harsh but Religious groups are in their rights to deny certain things that goes against their religion. Putting a separation between 'Church' and legal things or Government matters, will ensure that both sides can go about their business.

[reasonvemotion]

Greatest I am:

Notably, Gays, women, slaves and sexual practices.

Slaves and sexual practices. Care to elaborate on these.

[chaz wyman]

Wouldn't it be simpler to not force any religious group to marry off people of the same-sex and just let those persons get married freely by other means...That is legally, but lacking the religious ceremonial aspect.

That would necessitate the religious people shutting up.

The other problem is that many same sex couples are religious.

True, but even if they talk, let them, all that matters will be the legal aspect, that it will be open for those who wish to go along with that lifestyle. Also if a same-sex couple is religious or follow a certain religion then they'll have to adhere to it or take the option of leaving. I say this and it might seem harsh but Religious groups are in their rights to deny certain things that goes against their religion. Putting a separation between 'Church' and legal things or Government matters, will ensure that both sides can go about their business.

Not really, as the church still has to comply with the law. Or should.

However ----Having an independent church means that the democratic government finds itself complying with the church!
That's what happens in the US. The government bow down to the 'moral majority'. That is why gay marriage is still a battle ground; the church thinks it can legislate and impose its morality through the legal system.

In the UK the church is part of the state. This means that the biggest church the Anglican, is controlled by the state.
It's a massive paradox, but in the UK we are far less religious for having the church in the state.