Dreams

[Lone Wolf]

I agree almost completely, but I do know there are some people with a gift for dream interpretation. Like psychics, there are some who are not charlatans. I had the great good fortune (or perhaps my subconscious made that person available when I needed her) of knowing one of these gifted people. She was there when I needed her and then she was gone when it time for me to learn for myself. Her gift was intuitive. My knowldege of symbols came through much repetition of having the symbols in my own dreams. I tend to use logic and reason in lieu of intuition. Therefore, I cannot "feel" what the symbols might mean in the dreams of someone else.

[Dimebag]

I agree almost completely, but I do know there are some people with a gift for dream interpretation. Like psychics, there are some who are not charlatans. I had the great good fortune (or perhaps my subconscious made that person available when I needed her) of knowing one of these gifted people. She was there when I needed her and then she was gone when it time for me to learn for myself. Her gift was intuitive. My knowldege of symbols came through much repetition of having the symbols in my own dreams. I tend to use logic and reason in lieu of intuition. Therefore, I cannot "feel" what the symbols might mean in the dreams of someone else.

I dislike the idea of symbolism when it comes to interpreting dreams. It seems to me that dream interpretation can only ever occur through a process of induction. You extrapolate based on a hunch. You are probably more likely to make hunches which you are biased towards, and therefore it might seem like the interpretation of the dream is meaningful to you, however it's no more meaningful than reading wax drippings or pigeon guts.

I prefer the idea of associations when it comes to dreams. The subconscious mind operates in this non logical way, and no more so than when dreaming. If you can work out the associations which trigger the themes and content in your dreams you can get a better idea of what is dogging your mind, allowing you to explore them closer.

This to me makes more sense than symbols.

When it comes to my dreams, however, I prefer to keep them locked away.

[chaz wyman]

I agree almost completely, but I do know there are some people with a gift for dream interpretation. Like psychics, there are some who are not charlatans. I had the great good fortune (or perhaps my subconscious made that person available when I needed her) of knowing one of these gifted people. She was there when I needed her and then she was gone when it time for me to learn for myself. Her gift was intuitive. My knowldege of symbols came through much repetition of having the symbols in my own dreams. I tend to use logic and reason in lieu of intuition. Therefore, I cannot "feel" what the symbols might mean in the dreams of someone else.

All psychics are phoney. The worse one are the sincere ones as they have managed not only to convince others but also themselves. Their gift is not in finding the truth about you, but in convincing you that their false conception of you is correct - beware; their skill is not in credibility but in appearing to be credible.
The techniques are well know.

Does the name Bill mean anything to you?

[Lone Wolf]

Bill has no meaning for me whatsoever.

As far as psychics are concerned, I believe that some have a gift. However, I also believe that those who sell their gift have done exactly that. The sold it so they no longer have it. Hence, most psychics are charlatans.

[Lone Wolf]

I agree almost completely, but I do know there are some people with a gift for dream interpretation. Like psychics, there are some who are not charlatans. I had the great good fortune (or perhaps my subconscious made that person available when I needed her) of knowing one of these gifted people. She was there when I needed her and then she was gone when it time for me to learn for myself. Her gift was intuitive. My knowldege of symbols came through much repetition of having the symbols in my own dreams. I tend to use logic and reason in lieu of intuition. Therefore, I cannot "feel" what the symbols might mean in the dreams of someone else.

I dislike the idea of symbolism when it comes to interpreting dreams. It seems to me that dream interpretation can only ever occur through a process of induction. You extrapolate based on a hunch. You are probably more likely to make hunches which you are biased towards, and therefore it might seem like the interpretation of the dream is meaningful to you, however it's no more meaningful than reading wax drippings or pigeon guts.

I prefer the idea of associations when it comes to dreams. The subconscious mind operates in this non logical way, and no more so than when dreaming. If you can work out the associations which trigger the themes and content in your dreams you can get a better idea of what is dogging your mind, allowing you to explore them closer.

This to me makes more sense than symbols.

When it comes to my dreams, however, I prefer to keep them locked away.

Each person has to choose his or her own path. I chose to use my dreams to learn about myself and discovered that I am a really wonderful person. I also found out that I had been angry with my mother for more than forty years, dealt with the problem and cured myself of high blood pressure.

Re: Your statement that the subconscious operates in this nonlogical way is exactly opposite my understanding. The subconscious has total recall and gives it back to you with symbols when you are dreaming. In most cases our conscious mind does not have the recall of the subconscious and therefore our dreams seem confusing and meaningless. Understanding the symbols helps with understanding. For example, a woman told me of a dream in which her youngest daughter went into the street and was killed by an automobile. As a result, she restricted her daughter's outings to fenced yards and playgrounds away from traffic.

What the dream was telling her was that her baby was no longer a baby. She was growing up. She had changed and the baby she had been was dead because now she was a little girl. I passed that information to the woman. A few days later she told me she had seen her daughter riding a bicycle and she realized the daughter had changed. The symbol of death of a loved one or a friend simply means that the relationship you had with that person is dead. Your relationship is different. I find symbols very helpful.

[chaz wyman]

Bill has no meaning for me whatsoever.

Yes!! I knew it! See how easy it is to read a mind?

As far as psychics are concerned, I believe that some have a gift. However, I also believe that those who sell their gift have done exactly that. The sold it so they no longer have it. Hence, most psychics are charlatans.

How do you think that works?
If I have a gift to paint, and I sell a painting this does not mean I no longer have a gift to paint.
Surely you are just talking bollocks here?

[chaz wyman]

I agree almost completely, but I do know there are some people with a gift for dream interpretation. Like psychics, there are some who are not charlatans. I had the great good fortune (or perhaps my subconscious made that person available when I needed her) of knowing one of these gifted people. She was there when I needed her and then she was gone when it time for me to learn for myself. Her gift was intuitive. My knowldege of symbols came through much repetition of having the symbols in my own dreams. I tend to use logic and reason in lieu of intuition. Therefore, I cannot "feel" what the symbols might mean in the dreams of someone else.

I dislike the idea of symbolism when it comes to interpreting dreams. It seems to me that dream interpretation can only ever occur through a process of induction. You extrapolate based on a hunch. You are probably more likely to make hunches which you are biased towards, and therefore it might seem like the interpretation of the dream is meaningful to you, however it's no more meaningful than reading wax drippings or pigeon guts.

I prefer the idea of associations when it comes to dreams. The subconscious mind operates in this non logical way, and no more so than when dreaming. If you can work out the associations which trigger the themes and content in your dreams you can get a better idea of what is dogging your mind, allowing you to explore them closer.

This to me makes more sense than symbols.

When it comes to my dreams, however, I prefer to keep them locked away.

Each person has to choose his or her own path. I chose to use my dreams to learn about myself and discovered that I am a really wonderful person. I also found out that I had been angry with my mother for more than forty years, dealt with the problem and cured myself of high blood pressure.
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Try Ramipril - it actually works.

[Lone Wolf]

Try Ramipril - it actually works.[/quote]


So do a number of other meds, but it seems to me that it is better to learn the cause of the problem and correct it so I don't have to depend on a pill.

[Lone Wolf]

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How do you think that works?
If I have a gift to paint, and I sell a painting this does not mean I no longer have a gift to paint.
Surely you are just talking bollocks here?[/quote]

Bollocks must be a colloquialism where you are. I'm a Texan and have no idea what you're talking about.

However, you've given me a different perspective. I never thought about it in terms of other gifts we may have and which we use in order to support ourselves. Now I will have to spend some time trying to understand that in relation to my belief system. Thanks for the wake up call.

[chaz wyman]

How do you think that works?
If I have a gift to paint, and I sell a painting this does not mean I no longer have a gift to paint.
Surely you are just talking bollocks here?

Bollocks must be a colloquialism where you are. I'm a Texan and have no idea what you're talking about.

However, you've given me a different perspective. I never thought about it in terms of other gifts we may have and which we use in order to support ourselves. Now I will have to spend some time trying to understand that in relation to my belief system. Thanks for the wake up call.

No, problem.

FYI: Bollocks is the same as testicles. Equivalent to American Bullshit.
Try it on your Texan friends. It's a good ol' English word.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Bill has no meaning for me whatsoever.

As far as psychics are concerned, I believe that some have a gift. However, I also believe that those who sell their gift have done exactly that. The sold it so they no longer have it. Hence, most psychics are charlatans.

'Psychics do indeed have a 'gift', the gift of manipulation and deceit, and an uncanny ability to separate the gullible and the vulnerable from their money.

[chaz wyman]

Bill has no meaning for me whatsoever.

As far as psychics are concerned, I believe that some have a gift. However, I also believe that those who sell their gift have done exactly that. The sold it so they no longer have it. Hence, most psychics are charlatans.

'Psychics do indeed have a 'gift', the gift of manipulation and deceit, and an canny ability to separate the gullible and the vulnerable from their money.

Many of them believe their 'gift' is honest and 'psychic'. They are the most dangerous.

[Lone Wolf]

Bill has no meaning for me whatsoever.


'Psychics do indeed have a 'gift', the gift of manipulation and deceit, and an uncanny ability to separate the gullible and the vulnerable from their money.

Without exception? I know a woman who works with the FBI on cases and refuses payment for what she offers. She makes her living by running a gift shop. She doesn't do "readings" and will offer questions to those who ask for her help. She never makes predictions.

After my first visit with this woman, I gave her a dream I had in 1984 which consisted only of the following numbers: 2116 3100 7162. In less than a minute she asked me what had happened when I was 14 that made me feel I was completely alone in the world and what happened when I was 7 that gave me the same feeling. That was my entire experience with her on her psychic abilities.

From her questions I recalled both times when I felt that I was completely without human support. One was in 1946 (I was 7) and the other was in 1953 (I was 14)

My experience is that there are exceptions.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Bill has no meaning for me whatsoever.


'Psychics do indeed have a 'gift', the gift of manipulation and deceit, and an uncanny ability to separate the gullible and the vulnerable from their money.

Without exception? I know a woman who works with the FBI on cases and refuses payment for what she offers. She makes her living by running a gift shop. She doesn't do "readings" and will offer questions to those who ask for her help. She never makes predictions.

After my first visit with this woman, I gave her a dream I had in 1984 which consisted only of the following numbers: 2116 3100 7162. In less than a minute she asked me what had happened when I was 14 that made me feel I was completely alone in the world and what happened when I was 7 that gave me the same feeling. That was my entire experience with her on her psychic abilities.

From her questions I recalled both times when I felt that I was completely without human support. One was in 1946 (I was 7) and the other was in 1953 (I was 14)

My experience is that there are exceptions.

So how many cases has she solved? There is no guarantee that superstitious idiots don't work for the FBI. The police have no right to give those charlatans any credence at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idVxRE8uM-A

[Lone Wolf]

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So how many cases has she solved? There is no guarantee that superstitious idiots don't work for the FBI. The police have no right to give those charlatans any credence at all.

I find it very difficult to be absolutely positive that my opinion is correct on anything. I have no knowledge of this woman's success and only learned about her through my association with law enforcement as a volunteer. My total experience with her involved only what I stated above. I have not seen her since and have no knowledge beyond her giving me information about my dream that I had not found in the twenty years since I had the dream.

I think that arbitrarily stating a position closes your mind to other possible perspectives. Denying that psychics exist closes the mind to a possibility that may indeed be true. That there are idiots and charlatans in this world is a fact. However, I prefer to take people as they appear to me without sticking a label on them.