The universe is neither good nor evil, in and of itself. But surely from every life loving human's perspective, it must be considered good, otherwise I say to you, Seppuku. It is good from a humans perspective because he has a chance to see, hear, smell, feel and taste what life has to offer, and personally I see the universe as extremely beautiful and well worth the cost of admission to this limited engagement. Some of the variety of things to sense on this earth are absolutely breathtakingly incredible. It is true however, that in many cases, I find the cost of the finale, a bit distasteful. So I say to you that the concepts of Good and Evil only exist within the mind of the human lover of this life.Omniscientone wrote:I feel this is a metaphysical question, but maybe it's not. Either way I'm posting it here.
Einstein was once asked if he could go forward to the future and find out one thing about the Universe what would it be? He responded that he'd go forward and find out if it was Friendly or not. Is the universe intrinsically good? Robert Fuller argued that our very existence means the universe is a good place. Or as Carl Sagan said is it "indifferent"? Or maybe it's an intrinsically evil place? I remember Tyson once saying something like he finds it hard to believe in a benevolent creator being when he sees all the stuff that "wants to kills us".
So what do you believe? Is the Universe Intrinsically good, evil, or neither?
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The universe's Alignment? Like D&D?Omniscientone wrote:So what do you believe? Is the Universe Intrinsically good, evil, or neither?
Gonna have to go with Chaotic Good, with slight shades of Chaotic Neutral.
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Nah - Chaotic evil. Good exists only as a contrast to make suffering all the more horrible.Kuznetzova wrote:The universe's Alignment? Like D&D?Omniscientone wrote:So what do you believe? Is the Universe Intrinsically good, evil, or neither?
Gonna have to go with Chaotic Good, with slight shades of Chaotic Neutral.
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A joke indeed!!Omniscientone wrote:My apologies, I read it in a Psychology Today article and assumed it was true. Wikiquote, however, has it listed under "mis-attributed"chaz wyman wrote: Can you cite your Einstein reference? Given what Einstein I have read, this comment seems like a joke.
You do know the meaning of a mis-attribution?
That would mean that Einstein never said it.
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Yea, that's why I apologized for sound misleading........chaz wyman wrote:A joke indeed!!Omniscientone wrote:My apologies, I read it in a Psychology Today article and assumed it was true. Wikiquote, however, has it listed under "mis-attributed"chaz wyman wrote: Can you cite your Einstein reference? Given what Einstein I have read, this comment seems like a joke.
You do know the meaning of a mis-attribution?
That would mean that Einstein never said it.
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I'm surprised - given your (ahem) argument about consciousness, as you cannot prove einstein said that we can all accept that he did. We can also accept that he stole all his physics from Planck and was really just a stupid copyright clerk.Omniscientone wrote:Yea, that's why I apologized for sound misleading........chaz wyman wrote:A joke indeed!!Omniscientone wrote:
My apologies, I read it in a Psychology Today article and assumed it was true. Wikiquote, however, has it listed under "mis-attributed"
You do know the meaning of a mis-attribution?
That would mean that Einstein never said it.
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What's the matter, nazi-punk Chaz, can't handle the fact that perhaps the smartest person who ever lived was a Jew?chaz wyman wrote:
I'm surprised - given your (ahem) argument about consciousness, as you cannot prove einstein said that we can all accept that he did. We can also accept that he stole all his physics from Planck and was really just a stupid copyright clerk.
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Had an ironectomy? Einstein is one of history's greatest thinkers, as I have said again and again. Are you too stupid to see simple irony??SecularCauses wrote:What's the matter, nazi-punk Chaz, can't handle the fact that perhaps the smartest person who ever lived was a Jew?chaz wyman wrote:
I'm surprised - given your (ahem) argument about consciousness, as you cannot prove einstein said that we can all accept that he did. We can also accept that he stole all his physics from Planck and was really just a stupid copyright clerk.
I had not thought it possible for you to look even more moronic.
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I'm not the one who writes on here that the Jews control the US economy because you can find some rich Jews. That's your argument, and calling it moronic is much too generous. it is pure bullshit. You are a fucking assfuck for the ages, chaz the neo-nazi fuck. You also have shown no understanding of the most basic science, math, economics, history, logic, etc.chaz wyman wrote:Had an ironectomy? Einstein is one of history's greatest thinkers, as I have said again and again. Are you too stupid to see simple irony??SecularCauses wrote:What's the matter, nazi-punk Chaz, can't handle the fact that perhaps the smartest person who ever lived was a Jew?chaz wyman wrote:
I'm surprised - given your (ahem) argument about consciousness, as you cannot prove einstein said that we can all accept that he did. We can also accept that he stole all his physics from Planck and was really just a stupid copyright clerk.
I had not thought it possible for you to look even more moronic.
Your comment, by the way, was not ironic. That's not the proper word. You don't even know what irony means, and that IS ironic.
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Ah - you are an American - that says it all. Still trying to work in the law are you!!SecularCauses wrote:I'm not the one who writes on here that the Jews control the US economy because you can find some rich Jews. That's your argument, and calling it moronic is much too generous. it is pure bullshit. You are a fucking assfuck for the ages, chaz the neo-nazi fuck. You also have shown no understanding of the most basic science, math, economics, history, logic, etc.chaz wyman wrote:Had an ironectomy? Einstein is one of history's greatest thinkers, as I have said again and again. Are you too stupid to see simple irony??SecularCauses wrote: What's the matter, nazi-punk Chaz, can't handle the fact that perhaps the smartest person who ever lived was a Jew?
I had not thought it possible for you to look even more moronic.
Your comment, by the way, was not ironic. That's not the proper word. You don't even know what irony means, and that IS ironic.
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What are you even writing about, douchebag? America is far superior to your backwater land. Italy, the land that imprisones innocent scientists. Europe, that outlaws freedom of speech. Europe, that still bows to royal families. Europe, the land that people escaped from to start a better nation, called America. Keep your European fascism to yourselves. Fucking idiots.chaz wyman wrote:
Ah - you are an American - that says it all. Still trying to work in the law are you!!
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No, you don't get it. American culture does not do irony, and many Americans seem not to be able to recognise it - as you have demonstrated.SecularCauses wrote:What are you even writing about, douchebag? America is far superior to your backwater land. Italy, the land that imprisones innocent scientists. Europe, that outlaws freedom of speech. Europe, that still bows to royal families. Europe, the land that people escaped from to start a better nation, called America. Keep your European fascism to yourselves. Fucking idiots.chaz wyman wrote:
Ah - you are an American - that says it all. Still trying to work in the law are you!!