OMG! shah of Iran is about to get the bomb!

[chaz wyman]

I see your point. The claim has been going on since the Shah's time.
No, you don't get it. The Claim started when the Shah was overthrown.

What a bizarre species we are. We invent weapons to annihilate each other (and ourselves) and then say that only the 'goodies' can have them, not the 'baddies'.
Johngal, why the hell would the US go to war just because some other country supposedly wants it to? You have no evidence to make that assertion. The idea is preposterous. The US does what it wants to do, and the President can do pretty much as he pleases.

You believe that??
Wow!

I don't 'believe' anything. I go with the evidence.

The President can do what he wants?
Where is the evidence?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

@chAZ When it comes to deciding whether or not to go to war he makes the ultimate decision.

[chaz wyman]

@chAZ When it comes to deciding whether or not to go to war he makes the ultimate decision.

You seem pretty naive.
It is true that it is his job to 'make the call' as it were but that is a million miles from 'doing exactly what he wants'.
The power of the pres is very limited indeed.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

@chAZ When it comes to deciding whether or not to go to war he makes the ultimate decision.

You seem pretty naive.
It is true that it is his job to 'make the call' as it were but that is a million miles from 'doing exactly what he wants'.
The power of the pres is very limited indeed.

Actually I was quite shocked at the extent of his power. Bush is a good example. He didn't have a lot of support in Congress for the Iraq invasion but he was determined to go ahead with it.

[chaz wyman]

@chAZ When it comes to deciding whether or not to go to war he makes the ultimate decision.

You seem pretty naive.
It is true that it is his job to 'make the call' as it were but that is a million miles from 'doing exactly what he wants'.
The power of the pres is very limited indeed.

Actually I was quite shocked at the extent of his power. Bush is a good example. He didn't have a lot of support in Congress for the Iraq invasion but he was determined to go ahead with it.

Bush was a puppet of hidden forces. He was too plug stupid to be in control.
There are a huge range of influences that feed the causa belli, ranging from religious, to ideological, and financial. The stated reason such as WDM had nothing whatever to do with it.
The President is simply the apex of those influences, and the focus of the criticism. But he had basically nothing whatever to do with it.

Not even Julius Caesar could 'do want he wanted'.

[Kayla]

I do not accept that there is an 'international jewish conspiracy', but the fact remains that the world's greatest financiers are jews and share an affiliation (maybe no more than emotional) with Israel.

could you be more specific

'greatest financiers is awfully vague

what proportion of shares of all world banks are owned by jews that would be a much more helpful answer

There are many other regions in the world that could attract the attention of US foreign policy, but Israel seems to inhabit a unique position - why?

that has to do with evangelical christians

when israel was formed a lot of evangelical christians saw that as a sign of end times - that part where god gathers jews in israel again - in their view creation of israel is part of the divine plane

and unlike the jews the evangelicals do have an incredible influence in american politics

have you noticed how every time some prominent us politician makes a statement that is somewhat critical of israel it is primarily evangelicals that object

[chaz wyman]

I do not accept that there is an 'international jewish conspiracy', but the fact remains that the world's greatest financiers are jews and share an affiliation (maybe no more than emotional) with Israel.

could you be more specific

'greatest financiers is awfully vague

Bernie Madoff
Ben Bernacke
Alan Greenspan
Paul Wolfowitz.
Milton Friedman
Ben Graham


To name a few - maybe you could look them up?

Google the Lehman Brothers too.

There are many other regions in the world that could attract the attention of US foreign policy, but Israel seems to inhabit a unique position - why?

that has to do with evangelical christians

Yes, one reason, and the religious connection with Xian/ Judaism's alliance against Islam

when israel was formed a lot of evangelical christians saw that as a sign of end times - that part where god gathers jews in israel again - in their view creation of israel is part of the divine plane

and unlike the jews the evangelicals do have an incredible influence in american politics

Jewish people have as much or more influence.
You are being vague - who do you mean?

have you noticed how every time some prominent us politician makes a statement that is somewhat critical of israel it is primarily evangelicals that object

I've never heard any American politician being critical of Israel.
Maybe you can give an example?

I'm denying that there is a conscious conspiracy where a dozen Jews secretly gather in a smoke filled room planning the destruction of the middle east, with Zionist aspirations.
But there is a sort of conspiracy of influence and association working, where by a cabal of Christian and Jewish power brokers are engaged in a moves that amount to a direction of promoting a judaeo-christian future for the Holy Lands.

[SecularCauses]

@chAZ When it comes to deciding whether or not to go to war he makes the ultimate decision.

You seem pretty naive.
It is true that it is his job to 'make the call' as it were but that is a million miles from 'doing exactly what he wants'.
The power of the pres is very limited indeed.

Actually I was quite shocked at the extent of his power. Bush is a good example. He didn't have a lot of support in Congress for the Iraq invasion but he was determined to go ahead with it.

Bush had overwhelming support from Congress.

[SecularCauses]

Bush was a puppet of hidden forces. He was too plug stupid to be in control.
There are a huge range of influences that feed the causa belli, ranging from religious, to ideological, and financial. The stated reason such as WDM had nothing whatever to do with it.
The President is simply the apex of those influences, and the focus of the criticism. But he had basically nothing whatever to do with it.

Not even Julius Caesar could 'do want he wanted'.

Chaz, you really need to watch that conspiracytard crap, it's already rotted half your brain, and you can't afford to rot the other half. "Puppet of hidden forces"? Where do you come up with this shit? You watch old Flash Gordon movies, and you are worried Ming has hypnotized the President? Wow, what an "intellectual" you are. You believe in the same horseshit that white trash throughout the world believe in.

[chaz wyman]

Bush was a puppet of hidden forces. He was too plug stupid to be in control.
There are a huge range of influences that feed the causa belli, ranging from religious, to ideological, and financial. The stated reason such as WDM had nothing whatever to do with it.
The President is simply the apex of those influences, and the focus of the criticism. But he had basically nothing whatever to do with it.

Not even Julius Caesar could 'do want he wanted'.

Chaz, you really need to watch that conspiracytard crap, it's already rotted half your brain, and you can't afford to rot the other half. "Puppet of hidden forces"? Where do you come up with this shit? You watch old Flash Gordon movies, and you are worried Ming has hypnotized the President? Wow, what an "intellectual" you are. You believe in the same horseshit that white trash throughout the world believe in.

It's nothing to do with a conspiracy. You sound like a 4 year old. When I say 'hidden' I mean hidden from idiots who can't think like adults - dah you. This is the truth of politics. Bush is a moron; incapable of running a country. Are you really going to tell me that in a country of 270 million, they could only find one man - a man who could not string a sentence together to run it? And then everyone plays follow the leader?
Any leader in history is an apex of a range of influences and controlling interests.
Or maybe you think some guy gets the job of President, then every other moron just do what he says. What kind of idiot are you? You are laughable! You have to follow the money, cui bono
If you want to know the causes of war.
L. Cassius ille quem populus Romanus verissimum et sapientissimum iudicem putabat identidem in causis quaerere solebat 'cui bono' fuisset.
Look it up and join the grown ups.

It's called realpolitik. I'm surprised that I have to spell this stuff out. It's power 101.

Secular causes my arse

[Khalid]

Iran is another model of extremism just like Israel , if the international law had been activated on all countries in the middle east , it would have been a much more stable and peaceful area . It's just that simple .

[chaz wyman]

Iran is another model of extremism just like Israel , if the international law had been activated on all countries in the middle east , it would have been a much more stable and peaceful area . It's just that simple .

Sharia is antithetical to International law.
Look to your own ideology for the reason for the violence and intolerance.

When Islam grows up, only then will there be peace.

[Khalid]

Iran is another model of extremism just like Israel , if the international law had been activated on all countries in the middle east , it would have been a much more stable and peaceful area . It's just that simple .

Sharia is antithetical to International law.
Look to your own ideology for the reason for the violence and intolerance.

When Islam grows up, only then will there be peace.

What problem Sharia would have with a law preventing the spread of Nuke weapons and aiming to maintain world security and peace specially when that law is respected and activated by all countries ?

[SecularCauses]

Iran is another model of extremism just like Israel , if the international law had been activated on all countries in the middle east , it would have been a much more stable and peaceful area . It's just that simple .

Israel extremist? Is that why Arab-Muslims are elected to hold office in its legislature and to sit on its highest court? Is that why despite almost daily terrorist attacks, it does not invade Gza, like any other nation on earth would have long ago? Extremism is what we would have if Chaz the neo-nazi had his way. he would murder off all Jews, to ensure that they no longer controlled the entire US economy. he would then impose his special brand of statism where you would be a slave of the state and we would all have to do what "intellectuals" like chaz tell us to do. We would all need lobotomies so we could dumb our selves down to chaz's level and believe that mentioning the names of a handful of wealthy Jews is somehow proof that they control the entire US economy. Of course, we could list wealthy non-Jews, like Bill Gates, but, somehow, in chaz's world, that is not proof that non-Jews control the US economy. In short, you are engaged in a conversation with someone who is on an intellectual level with any neo-nazi thug one may find. Chaz is pure dog shit.

[chaz wyman]

Iran is another model of extremism just like Israel , if the international law had been activated on all countries in the middle east , it would have been a much more stable and peaceful area . It's just that simple .

Sharia is antithetical to International law.
Look to your own ideology for the reason for the violence and intolerance.

When Islam grows up, only then will there be peace.

What problem Sharia would have with a law preventing the spread of Nuke weapons and aiming to maintain world security and peace specially when that law is respected and activated by all countries ?

There is nothing is Sharia of the sort, as well you know.