A direction to Evolution?

[jinx]

A agree with Origin of faeces i mean species impact in that it brainwashed the WORLD. Darwin has NO clue what he started. Lateral gene transfer is genetic information that is already present on the earth.

[thedoc]

Kuznetzova I have no clue what you are on about. I am taking SCIENCE (biology genetics biochemistry) there is NO genetic mechanism for adding bulk amounts of NEW genetic information. If you have a literature cite it. I suggest everyone read Darwins 'Origin of faeces i mean species' so as ability can be had to analyze the myth.

I believe that current research indicates that many genes are already present but inactive and much change can be atributed to these genes being turned on or off by other controling genes. For much of evolution we don't need 'new genes' they only need to be activated to bring about a change in the species in response to a change in the environment. I think this Nova program illustrates this,

http://video.pbs.org/video/1372073556

Sorry about the comercials.

[jinx]

For much of evolution we don't need 'new genes'

If the word 'evolution' above means (and DOES NOT mean change in gene frequency, speciation, genetic drift etc) prokaryote---->every living thing on the planet (whales, dolphins, cows, sheep, ants, caterpillar, elephants, giraffes, eagles, worms, chimpanzees and mankind) then YES what is the source of bulk amounts of NEW genetic information? THERE IS NONE. THERE IS NO MECHANISM that is why is has NO foundation in science and is utter mythscience/religious faith based belief.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

For much of evolution we don't need 'new genes'

If the word 'evolution' above means (and DOES NOT mean change in gene frequency, speciation, genetic drift etc) prokaryote---->every living thing on the planet (whales, dolphins, cows, sheep, ants, caterpillar, elephants, giraffes, eagles, worms, chimpanzees and mankind) then YES what is the source of bulk amounts of NEW genetic information? THERE IS NONE. THERE IS NO MECHANISM that is why is has NO foundation in science and is utter mythscience/religious faith based belief.

You understand evolution and how it works do you? No? Well shut the fuck up then.

[reasonvemotion]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDsnCrSfzCQ

[Kuznetzova]

I am taking SCIENCE (biology genetics biochemistry) there is NO genetic mechanism for adding bulk amounts of NEW genetic information. If you have a literature cite it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_duplication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copy-number_variation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosomal_inversion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_polymerase
http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Gene ... 0262631857

[MGL]

One possible direction of evolution is that it accelerates the rate of entropy of the universe.

http://people.biology.ufl.edu/ulan/pubs/Prodent.pdf

[SpheresOfBalance]

Evidence from biology, geology, and climatology all suggest that life arose on earth 3.7 billion years ago as a primitive form of single-celled bacteria in the oceans. Life on earth consisted entirely of such bacteria sloshing around in the water for the next 2 billion years. It was not until 1.7 BYA that the first multicellular organisms came onto the scene. However, these were not at all like the animals with body plans we see today, instead being similar to microbial mats, fungi, and algae. Life was just like that only for another 1.2 billion years. It was not until 530 million years ago that genuine animals emerged in the ocean, complete with the bilateral symmetry seen in nearly all modern animals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosion

By 250 million years ago, evolution had produced 4-legged vertebrates that walked on land, and a diverse collection of those. Among these were lizard-like ancestors of dinosaurs, and therapsids who were squirrel-like animals roughly the size of a cat.


A severe extinction event at the end of the Permian period caused a steep decline in species diversity, and caused most species on earth go extinct. When life finally recovered from this, the land on earth was dominated by dinosaurs whose bodies evolved to enormous sizes. The dinosaurs proliferated and diversified for the next 200 million years, spanning three geological periods. Despite their incredible success, a single extinction event caused all of the larger species to go extinct in a strange event at 65 MYA. The remaining small dinosaurs underwent further changes and their predecessors are the birds of today. A cooler geological period followed where mammals dominated ecosystems, and diversified to the point of becoming apex predators on all continents.

At 4.5 MYA, conditions in equatorial Africa allowed for the evolution of a type of primate called a hominid. The defining features are no tail, grasping hands, dwelling on the ground rather than in trees. Hominids rely heavily on very sharp binocular color vision to sense the world around them -- to the point that their reliance on smell decreased. Hominid species diversified during a period in which the equatorial rain forest in Africa dried out and shrunk suddenly. From 1 MYA to 500,000 years ago, Bipedal hominids spread out of Africa into Europe, Asia, and even South Pacific islands. Homo sapiens were also migrating out of Africa at this time, and their relationship to the existing populations is a topic of heated debate among paleontologists.

Bipedal hominids were able to migrate and adapt to various environments, climates, and ecosystems on many continents. Despite this incredible success, today there exist only four species of hominid on earth. All others are extinct.

Homo sapiens had a peculiar relationship to tool use for most of their history, up to the point around 10,000 years ago, where agriculture was invented in the middle east. This gave rise to humans creating artifacts that we recognize as "technology" today. Empires rose and fell among agricultural humans up until the 16th Century AD, where the printing press was invented in Europe, right after a decline in influence of the Catholic Church in the north. "Scientists" appeared in small numbers in the next 200 years, the results of their knowledge were eventually applied to very rapidly create new technology. This rapid expansion in technology -- historians loosely refer to as the Industrial Revolution.

The main impact of Industrialization on human life was that the human population began to explode, where even the rate of growth became exponential. Starting in 1800, in a mere 210 years, human population grew from 1 billion to 7 billion. Yes. Read that again. Humans have increased their numbers by a factor of seven in 2 centuries.

For the first time in the history of the Earth, a species has created a change in itself, by itself, merely by changing their relationship to artifacts and medicine. This change did not correspond to any mutation of their genes nor of their traits. For all hitherto existing organisms, any rapid transition like this would be attributable only to evolutionary change.

The invention of electrical technology in the 20th century pushed technological progress into overdrive. Within the time of a single lifespan, rapid invention and deployment creates artifacts that are unrecognizable to older generations.

Any particular direction is relative.

[Kuznetzova]

One possible direction of evolution is that it accelerates the rate of entropy of the universe.

http://people.biology.ufl.edu/ulan/pubs/Prodent.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kytow4JRdo

[SpheresOfBalance]

A agree with Origin of faeces i mean species impact in that it brainwashed the WORLD. Darwin has NO clue what he started. Lateral gene transfer is genetic information that is already present on the earth.

No, it's all been chemistry, from the beginning, that was fueled by stars.

[Bernard]

A agree with Origin of faeces i mean species impact in that it brainwashed the WORLD. Darwin has NO clue what he started. Lateral gene transfer is genetic information that is already present on the earth.

No, it's all been chemistry, from the beginning, that was fueled by stars.

You see that's just talking from a physical standpoint which is fine on a physics forum, but there is more to philosophy...

[SpheresOfBalance]

A agree with Origin of faeces i mean species impact in that it brainwashed the WORLD. Darwin has NO clue what he started. Lateral gene transfer is genetic information that is already present on the earth.

No, it's all been chemistry, from the beginning, that was fueled by stars.

You see that's just talking from a physical standpoint which is fine on a physics forum, but there is more to philosophy...

Can you see, that philosophy is the father of all sciences, and is still just as much a science of finding the absolute truth of things, as all the other sciences? I see science as science, and make no distinctions otherwise. This then considered, I see an umbrella effect, with philosophy containing all it's children.

[chaz wyman]

No, it's all been chemistry, from the beginning, that was fueled by stars.

You see that's just talking from a physical standpoint which is fine on a physics forum, but there is more to philosophy...

Can you see, that philosophy is the father of all sciences, and is still just as much a science of finding the absolute truth of things, as all the other sciences? I see science as science, and make no distinctions otherwise. This then considered, I see an umbrella effect, with philosophy containing all it's children.

You mistake the purpose of philosophy.
Only ossified and moribund systems of philosophy have made the claim that they are seeking the ultimate truth; most of these we call religion. As time passes these philosophies get superseded and abandoned, leaving unanswered antinomies laden with the false assumptions of their apparent answers.
No, the purpose of philosophy gives us a range of question and challenges to the assumptions upon which those questions are asked; it gives us debating tools and the means to attack and undermine 'ultimate answers'; it demonstrates that ultimate truth is not ultimate but contingent on our timely and specific current paradigms.
Good philosophy has never been about the answers, but about the questions.

[SpheresOfBalance]

No, it's all been chemistry, from the beginning, that was fueled by stars.

You see that's just talking from a physical standpoint which is fine on a physics forum, but there is more to philosophy...

Can you see, that philosophy is the father of all sciences, and is still just as much a science of finding the absolute truth of things, as all the other sciences? I see science as science, and make no distinctions otherwise. This then considered, I see an umbrella effect, with philosophy containing all it's children.

You mistake the purpose of philosophy.
Only ossified and moribund systems of philosophy have made the claim that they are seeking the ultimate truth; most of these we call religion. As time passes these philosophies get superseded and abandoned, leaving unanswered antinomies laden with the false assumptions of their apparent answers.
No, the purpose of philosophy gives us a range of question and challenges to the assumptions upon which those questions are asked; it gives us debating tools and the means to attack and undermine 'ultimate answers'; it demonstrates that ultimate truth is not ultimate but contingent on our timely and specific current paradigms.
Good philosophy has never been about the answers, but about the questions.

Did you take note that I was speaking from my perspective and not everyone's?

Please do not forget that I'm, or so it seems, Agnostic.

You are not the originator of philosophy, you like the rest of us study it and come to your own conclusions. Some that are rigid and some that are flexible, but all of which are yours. I speak for myself as you do for yourself. I agree with all that you are saying, and yet say that philosophy's aim is an attempt to find the absolute truth, what ever that might be. Which means that it could uncover what you say or what you do not say, and that the proof, either way, shall be found in the end, as 'the only thing we truly know, is that we do not know.'

[Bernard]

http://www.ted.com/talks/elaine_morgan_ ... _apes.html