What's stopping us from seeing the truth?

[chaz wyman]

... and based on so little

Atheism is for the unimaginative desperately preaching for others to embrace their otherwise weak arguments for a failed individualism.

An atheist has nothing to prove, has no creed, and no belief system.

What is a god anyway?

[mtmynd1]

What is a god anyway?

Herein lies your entire problem, c.w.... asking this question shows how totally clueless you truly are - unimaginative, one of the great failures of any individual to embrace.

Allow me to reverse this all too common question and ask you when you hear that word, "god" what comes to your own mind that brings you the distrust that is inherent in your own belief system? Do you see a man with a great white beard sitting on a golden throne high up in the heavens with obedient followers sitting about in a paradisaical environment free from the chains of your own doubts, confusions, misunderstandings...? maybe simply a generic male that pulls the strings on life as we know it and enjoys keeping our lives subservient to 'his' will..? Share with me what you yourself imagine any 'god' is that brings such a bitter taste to your thinking... perhaps an event or events in your life's early religious teachings and preachings that have led you to reject anything that smells or tastes of this 'god crap' that you've adopted the simple man's view to completely dismiss anything that suggests 'god' despite our own shared hu'manity's history of having some powerful inner belief in something much larger than ourselves.

Don't be a lily flapping in the winds of ignorance trying to desperately convince yourself that everyone's own belief in some 'god' is pure idiocy that no true thinking mind would ever embrace. I want to hear what the true 'chaz wyman' really 'sees' in your mind's eye when that all too powerful three letter word g-o-d is mentioned. Are you capable of putting that into words for me to read? Try it... I promise I won't laugh or belittle you in any way...

[chaz wyman]

What is a god anyway?

Herein lies your entire problem, c.w.... asking this question shows how totally clueless you truly are - unimaginative, one of the great failures of any individual to embrace.

Including you it seems.


Allow me to reverse this all too common question and ask you when you hear that word, "god" what comes to your own mind that brings you the distrust that is inherent in your own belief system? Do you see a man with a great white beard sitting on a golden throne high up in the heavens with obedient followers sitting about in a paradisaical environment free from the chains of your own doubts, confusions, misunderstandings...?
Some do
maybe simply a generic male that pulls the strings on life as we know it and enjoys keeping our lives subservient to 'his' will..?
Some doShare with me what you yourself imagine any 'god' is that brings such a bitter taste to your thinking... perhaps an event or events in your life's early religious teachings and preachings that have led you to reject anything that smells or tastes of this 'god crap' that you've adopted the simple man's view to completely dismiss anything that suggests 'god' despite our own shared hu'manity's history of having some powerful inner belief in something much larger than ourselves.

Some do
Don't be a lily flapping in the winds of ignorance trying to desperately convince yourself that everyone's own belief in some 'god' is pure idiocy that no true thinking mind would ever embrace. I want to hear what the true 'chaz wyman' really 'sees' in your mind's eye when that all too powerful three letter word g-o-d is mentioned.
An obvious lie- a primitive lie accepted by fools.
Are you capable of putting that into words for me to read? Try it... I promise I won't laugh or belittle you in any way...

I aksed you , you fucking moron.
It seems you are no clearer on this issue that anyone else.
Now, I'll give you one more chance - what that fuck do you mean; god?

[mtmynd1]

I aksed you , you fucking moron.
It seems you are no clearer on this issue that anyone else.
Now, I'll give you one more chance - what that fuck do you mean; god?

"... a fucking moron..." what the fuck are you, c.w., a follower of satyr? With a comment such as this, it is obvious you're unable to intelligently communicate beyond that of a teenager whose testosterone's are leading you around by your penis, oblivious to anything rational and intellectual.

Just like a punk teenager you sit behind the safety of your monitor demanding from others what THEY mean when speaking of god. Do you really friggin' deserve an answer with that cheap foolish demeanor hung around your shoulders like a dead parrot?

"... I'll give you one more chance..." give me a friggin break, a-hole... you're not doing me any favors.

Numb nutz, look at what you have consistently asked over and over... "what do you mean by god?" Is this anything but indicative of a fool who knows not what the vast majority of civilization have referred to ever since mankind began thinking? If you're not too fearful, try for the sake of common sense an inner journey within your own mind where every pertinent question gives rise to it's own answer. If you do not understand that, you should leave philosophical thinking to those that appreciate deep thought over muddled insults tossed from the mind of an underdeveloped teenager as you have painted yourself on these boards.

Grow up and do not settle for simply growing old.

[chaz wyman]

I aksed you , you fucking moron.
It seems you are no clearer on this issue that anyone else.
Now, I'll give you one more chance - what that fuck do you mean; god?

"... a fucking m
Numb nutz, look at what you have consistently asked over and over... "what do you mean by god?"

And you don't know the answer.

[mtmynd1]

And you don't know the answer.

I assure you, little chaz, I know exactly what god is and I am not foolish enough to try to explain the code to such a novice as yourself who would be completely challenged by the answer... akin to speaking in Mayan to a 3 year old deaf child living in Mongolia.

So continue asking the question over and over and over to anyone that will listen... perhaps you may receive an answer that will appeal to your intellectual level, but you and I know that no matter what answer you get you will simply challenge the answer with the voodoo of duality... fearful of knowing much less accepting the Truth.

This board is for Metaphysics not pre-school 101.

[chaz wyman]

And you don't know the answer.

I assure you, little chaz, I know exactly what god is and I am not foolish......

Put up or shut-up!
You are too scared to air your views because you know damn well that your idea does not stand up to muster.
Your view of god is confused and contradictory.
You are a light weight.

[mtmynd1]

Put up or shut-up!
You are too scared to air your views because you know damn well that your idea does not stand up to muster.
Your view of god is confused and contradictory.
You are a light weight.

You seem to know what god is by that statement. Poor soul you are so confused... one moment you are a declared atheist then you infer that my own views on it are confused and contradictory! It is you, little chaz, who is the one confused and contradictory.

Go home now, embrace your favorite stuffed animal and snuggle down under your blanket with sugar plums in your head rather than the Truth.

As I initially said, atheists cannot believe in a god but cannot believe in atheism because of a god, lest the very definition of atheism is entirely wrong.

[chaz wyman]

Put up or shut-up!
You are too scared to air your views because you know damn well that your idea does not stand up to muster.
Your view of god is confused and contradictory.
You are a light weight.

You seem to know what god is by that statement. .

Nope.
I've heard too many versions of god(s), to settle for one.

Which is more than you, who have not the slightest clue what god means.

You're a joke!

[thedoc]

It would be interesting to read the various definitions of God, unless you both are just here for the fight, and are not really interested in expressing your beliefs, which would be convient if you really didn't have any.

[chaz wyman]

It would be interesting to read the various definitions of God, unless you both are just here for the fight, and are not really interested in expressing your beliefs, which would be convient if you really didn't have any.

He was making defamatory remarks about the paucity of Atheism being dependant on the concept of God.
So I asked him what he meant by the term.
So, far he has refused to answer.

[mtmynd1]

He was making defamatory remarks about the paucity of Atheism being dependant on the concept of God.
So I asked him what he meant by the term.
So, far he has refused to answer.

Atheism, by it's very definition, i.e. "1) Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods. 2) The doctrine that there is no God or gods."

If one such as yourself denies the existence of God this alone does not dismiss there is such a presence. It is akin to stating there is no such thing as "love" because it is unprovable... or the world is flat hundreds of years ago; who could prove it otherwise until the discovery was accepted. A belief that there is no god does not say anything other than you yourself do not believe it. Whether 'god(s)' exist or not is completely dependent upon the individual's experience with such a presence.

Myself, to answer your constant barrage of repetitive questioning of my own opinion, god, I believe, is pure consciousness... nothing more, nothing less, hence the spiritual connection that hu'manity has put upon this concept we have come to call 'God' or whatever language one chooses to use to describe the same experience (Gott, Dieu, Allah, Dios, Buddhahead, etc, etc....).

So when someone announces that they do not believe in (a) God, I have to question what it is that they view as this "god" that is so refuted. That is why I asked those few questions pertaining to "god" because it is obvious there are so many who 'view' god as a generic being complete with hands and a mouth that performs much the same physical way as our own. That, I believe, is... unbelievable. But to each their own when it comes to believing in something larger than their own ego...


BTW, c.w., in this exchange of ours I could not help but notice that you capitalized the word "God", which I've also seen among many other atheists... a curious little thing that makes something you do not believe in but gives the respect of capitalization. This is also apparent in the dictionary definitions of a non-believer in such a thing... note the capitalization of the word cut and pasted from the dictionary itself. If indeed, God is a proper noun, why do you give credence to it's 'properness' by using this capitalization? I assure you that there is no god or God that will smite you by not capitalizing the name.

[chaz wyman]

He was making defamatory remarks about the paucity of Atheism being dependant on the concept of God.
So I asked him what he meant by the term.
So, far he has refused to answer.

Atheism, by it's very definition, i.e. "1) Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods. 2) The doctrine that there is no God or gods."
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Literally it means without-god. The prefix "a-" is Greek for a negation.

For you to call me an atheist, you will have to tell me what the fuck you mean by god, otherwise you can't slag me off for being an atheist.
Sadly since you have not got the foggiest clue what you mean by god, that would make you an agnostic.

Since there is no god, I am not obligated to to choose one of the many versions on offer. I have examined them, weighed them, and found them wanting.
When you come out of the closet and tell me which version you have selected then we can talk about it, until then I have nothing further to say to you.

[mtmynd1]

Since there is no god, I am not obligated to to choose one of the many versions on offer. I have examined them, weighed them, and found them wanting.
When you come out of the closet and tell me which version you have selected then we can talk about it, until then I have nothing further to say to you.

So, c.w., you have examined 'them', weighed 'them' and found 'them' wanting but say absolutely nothing about anything you have examind, wieghed or where the wanting lies. Is that because you find it too difficult to communicate clearly or... ? Plus I notice you have discontinued using the capitalization when writing the word "god." Well done.


But that's okay by me. You're not the most intelligent rock in the stack to discuss anything with. All I hear out of you is "me", "me" and more "me". Enjoy yourself.

[chaz wyman]

Since there is no god, I am not obligated to to choose one of the many versions on offer. I have examined them, weighed them, and found them wanting.
When you come out of the closet and tell me which version you have selected then we can talk about it, until then I have nothing further to say to you.

So, c.w., you have examined 'them', weighed 'them' and found 'them' wanting but say absolutely nothing about anything you have examind, wieghed or where the wanting lies. Is that because you find it too difficult to communicate clearly or... ? Plus I notice you have discontinued using the capitalization when writing the word "god." Well done.


But that's okay by me. You're not the most intelligent rock in the stack to discuss anything with. All I hear out of you is "me", "me" and more "me". Enjoy yourself.

Sorry - what do you mean god?