all muslims are the same

[ForgedinHell]

Israel a loose cannon? Considering that Israel has shown more restraint than any nation on earth, that is total BS. Israel gets rockets launched at it from Gaza virtually every week, yet, still sends an enormous amount of aid into gaza. Two rockets were launched into Israel less than two months ago from Egypt, which was an act of war, yet, Israel did not go to war. You may want to get your facts straight. Of course, then you would have to change your entire persona, so that may be problematic for you --- dealing with reality.

I don't give a rats ass about Israel/Palestine conflict. I just don't want to see America dragged into another war in that region.It's pretty evident how the all powerful Jewish lobby in Washington is inducing America into a war with Iran.

"Powerful Jewish lobby"? You seem to be completely ignorant of the fact that there is more than one Jewish lobby, and they often lobby against each other. You also seem to ignore the very powerful Saudi Arabian lobby, which even makes million-dollar donations to our President's pet projects.

[ForgedinHell]

I don't give a rats ass about Israel/Palestine conflict. I just don't want to see America dragged into another was in that region.It's pretty evident how the all powerful Jewish lobby in Washington is inducing America into a war with Iran.

Very difficult to get dragged in when you're already there in the vanguard. If America didn't keep vetoing the UN security council resolutions the problem would have been solved years ago.

The UN is morally bankrupt.

[Kayla]

I've always been against the Iraq war, but not on humanitarian grounds. It was a monumental waste of tax dollars & Saddam regime was in no way a threat to our national security. But to say it was some kind of a "crusade" against Islam is retarded to say the least.

the war is certainly regarded in this way by a large chunk of the us military even if it is not officially a crusade

i have had attended four funerals of american soldiers who died in iraq and afghanistan and at one of them i listened to a us army colonel talk about the fight against the pagan muslims (his words not mine) - in his mind it is a war against islam not the war of liberation (as is claimed by the official line

his views are i would say typical

[ForgedinHell]

I've always been against the Iraq war, but not on humanitarian grounds. It was a monumental waste of tax dollars & Saddam regime was in no way a threat to our national security. But to say it was some kind of a "crusade" against Islam is retarded to say the least.

the war is certainly regarded in this way by a large chunk of the us military even if it is not officially a crusade

i have had attended four funerals of american soldiers who died in iraq and afghanistan and at one of them i listened to a us army colonel talk about the fight against the pagan muslims (his words not mine) - in his mind it is a war against islam not the war of liberation (as is claimed by the official line

his views are i would say typical

Why wouldn't a war against Islam, which is fascist by nature, and a war of liberation, be consistent?

[Kayla]

so you are saying americans invaded iraq to liberate it from islam

how does killing iraqi civilians liberate them from islam

like all bigots you think that your own bigotry is justified but other peoples' is not

but you are no different than satyr and bob and atth

did you know that the adl - anti defamation league - you know a bunch of jews - condemn the sort of retarded hateful rhetoric you are spewing - and they have no reason to have any pro islamic bias

[ForgedinHell]

so you are saying americans invaded iraq to liberate it from islam

how does killing iraqi civilians liberate them from islam

like all bigots you think that your own bigotry is justified but other peoples' is not

but you are no different than satyr and bob and atth

did you know that the adl - anti defamation league - you know a bunch of jews - condemn the sort of retarded hateful rhetoric you are spewing - and they have no reason to have any pro islamic bias

You need to keep your eyes on the words I actually write. I asked what was the difference between making the statement that someone was fighting Islam, and bringing liberation? Instead of answering the question, you start rambling off into lefty-field about killing civilians, which has never been US policy, and US soldiers get criminally prosecuted for doing it. THEN, you go off on some even wilder lefty-crap BS about me being a bigot.

Here's reality for you: If I saw some KKK douches strap a black man in chains and drag him to death, I would certainly say the KKK members were scum. I would also, however, say all KKK members are scum. Why? Because the KKK in general teaches hatred, and the hatred they teach, all of them, helped to contribute to that man's death. Islam is no different. Islam is a made-up fiction that states some non-historical person named Muhammad existed and that his life should be emulated, since he was the last prophet of god. What does Islam tell us this person did? He went around murdering people. he did that a lot. Chopped people's heads off, condoned rape, including child rape, theft, etc. So, when I see Muslims killing people because they are upset that a video stated they were violent (Obviously, Islam does not teach its members about irony.), it is not just the Muslims involved who are to be condemned, but the teaching of Islam itself.

You politically correct lefties would have us ignore the truth about Islam, because it is a "religion," so, somehow we need to look the other way, deny reality, and claim that it is "peaceful" "non-barbaric"? That's crap. Why aren't you lefties outraged about how women are treated in Saudi Arabia? If you lived there, you couldn't drive, work as a lawyer, you would not have full voting rights, you could be killed by your husband, who would not face prosecution, when you were eight, you could be "married" to an adult man and raped. It's amazing how lefties have completely lost it. You may side with barbarism, but I'm not.

Whose the bigot?

[Kayla]

one could just as easily pick some bits from the old testament and the talmud and use it as proof that all jews are evil - in fact some people do exactly that

but you are a coward so you go with a bigotry that is more or less socially acceptable

[ForgedinHell]

one could just as easily pick some bits from the old testament and the talmud and use it as proof that all jews are evil - in fact some people do exactly that

but you are a coward so you go with a bigotry that is more or less socially acceptable

I'm no coward. And who cares about the Talmud? I reject all superstitious nonsense. Are you claiming I wrote the Talmud? That because my father was Jewish somehow I am responsible for what is written in it? That I would be responsible for anyone who believes in any superstitious nonsense contained within it? How could that be?

The facts are the Jews aren't going around killing cartoonists, novelists, film makers, but the Muslims are. In droves. The koran is one big war story. It is like War and Peace, without the Peace. It is a manual for killing the non-Muslim, with nothing else going for it. Islam is primitive superstitious, it is factually false, and immoral. The world loses nothing if Islam is ended this second.

It is you who is the coward. Here you are making irrational excuses for a movement that if it were anything other than a "religion" people would refer to it as a world-wide child-raping criminal enterprise. But, if you were to say that, then your politically correct lefty buds would disown you. So, nope, much better to ignore the hate, the violence, and go with the cover story that Islam is instead a religion of peace.

[Kayla]

one of accusations made by antisemitic nutcases is that judaism condones child rape

but antisemitism not not fashionable now so all the antisemitic canards are being transferred to muslims

child rape
political influence
plots to destroy civilization

am i missing anything

[thedoc]

one of accusations made by antisemitic nutcases is that judaism condones child rape

but antisemitism not not fashionable now so all the antisemitic canards are being transferred to muslims

child rape
political influence
plots to destroy civilization

am i missing anything

How about freedom of thought, speech, religion,and just about any other freedom you can think of. But is it really all Moslems or just the extreamists?

[ForgedinHell]

one of accusations made by antisemitic nutcases is that judaism condones child rape

but antisemitism not not fashionable now so all the antisemitic canards are being transferred to muslims

child rape
political influence
plots to destroy civilization

am i missing anything

Child rape is legal in Saudi Arabia. How many millions of Muslims live there? Is that just a small minority who support child rape, when an entire nation makes it legal? It's also legal in Iran. How many Muslims live there? Add those two nation's Muslim populations, and what do you have? The facts are that in islamic regimes throughout the world, oppression reigns, and human-rights violations are the norm. But, rather than you take a stand for human rights, you would rather take a stand for the abusers of those rights. After all, we must not call child rapists child rapists. Nope, that would be a bad thing.

You really need to take a stand for human rights, and not support islam under the mistaken belief that lefties know what they are talking about.

In Israel, child rape is a crime, and always has been.

[ForgedinHell]

one of accusations made by antisemitic nutcases is that judaism condones child rape

but antisemitism not not fashionable now so all the antisemitic canards are being transferred to muslims

child rape
political influence
plots to destroy civilization

am i missing anything

What you are missing is "reason." Just because people were wrong about the Jews does not mean that they are wrong about the Muslims. If you want to prove that people are wrong about the Muslims, then you need to show us the facts. The recent attacks around the globe where Muslims are actually killing people over a video doesn't assist you in your cause. But, since the attacks against the Jews could be 100% false while the attacks against the Muslims are 100% true, you cannot logically defend Islam by pointing out lies were made against the Jews. This is probably the argument your drunk math teacher made the other day. Did you raise your hand and point out his logical error?

[Kayla]

Child rape is legal in Saudi Arabia.

you keep asserting that

would you care to provide some support for your assertions

[ForgedinHell]

Child rape is legal in Saudi Arabia.

you keep asserting that

would you care to provide some support for your assertions

You seriously don't even know the issues? Yet, you are going on like some authority? There are a number of court decisions from the highest court in Saudi Arabia that upheld marriages to young girls to grown men. We are speaking of eight-year-olds being "married" off to men in their mid-forties and fifties. Go check it out. A brief Google search should work. You can also check out this is true in Iran. After the revolution, the Khomeni "married" a ten-year-old girl. He also gave a public speech telling everyone that they should marry off their daughters before their first period. These child-raping acts are legit under Islam because the alleged prophet married a six-year-old girl, would fondle her, but held off on full sexual intercourse until she was nine. Since he is the living example of how to live one's life, child rape is legal under Islam.

Just look at the gays who are hung in Iran? Just look at the treatment of women in Saudi Arabia? You literally have women who can't even drive. Many were burned alive in a fire because when they tried to escape the burning building, they did not have nurkas on, and they were forced to stay inside and burn.

Now, if someone points out the truth about how Islam treats women, children, gays, etc., in an effort to fight for the civil liberty of these people, you and your comrades at school will call them "bigots"? You are on the wrong side. A rube who is fighting for child rape, the slavery of women, the slaughter of gays, in short, a totalitarian system of madness. Good job there. Coming from you, I'll proudly be called a bigot in the fight for human rights against the tyranny of Islam.

[Atthet]

I hate agreeing with an enemy like FoggyFart, but he's right on the topic of Islam and Muslims. Kayla, you're a fucking deluded moron. Child rape is commonplace in the Islamic tradition. This plague must stop its spread, now.